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re-blackening rusty phosphated or BO tools

Steve_P

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I had some rusty vintage Allen brand hex wrenches so I decided to clean them up. I have tried all the hot and cold phosphating/blackening chemicals and generally use Metal Ready by POR 15 when possible. It's reasonably priced and works well as you can see. Note none of the typical blackening chemicals are true black oxide as that is done >212F. I also have another cold and hot black blackening solution right now in addition to MR and chose to use this because it works so well. And I do not get it for free and am not affiliated with POR 15 in any way.

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So, above is what I started with- surface rust with most of the blackening gone

First, gather up the necessary chemicals

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Drinks

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Sealer. Don’t cheap out here as this is what gives resistance to corrosion; yeah, I know most people will use WD-40 anyway. The correct sealer is not cheap but, again, this is the majority of the protection, not the actual phosphate process itself. The phosphate conversion process gives a coarse surface for the preservative to stick to, but w/o the proper preservative it’s not going to give the same protection.

Fill a plastic Tupperware style container with Metal Ready. Submerge your objects; the fluid will turn cloudy with the chemical reaction. You want to flip them every hour or so for even coverage. After several hours you will see that the fluid will stop bubbling and turn back to clear/blue; this is when the conversion process is done. Remove the objects, dry with a paper towel, and dip in the rust preventative solution. Let dry on newspaper overnite and then, if necessary, further dry with a rag.

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This is what you should end up with. The finish does not wipe off. Different alloys will darken at different rates and sometimes to different shades. Generally the harder the metal the slower to blacken. Some harder alloys may only turn a dark gray.

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As you can see the finish is slightly “grainy”. It is not a shiny finish like a “real” black oxide. But, the graininess is what provides the texture for the rust preservative to stick to and gives resistance to corrosion.

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So....lemmie ask this about that...suppose I wanted to blacken a machined surface like the top of a drill press table or the machined flat on the base of a drill press...based on your experience at least...would that work?
 

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So....lemmie ask this about that...suppose I wanted to blacken a machined surface like the top of a drill press table or the machined flat on the base of a drill press...based on your experience at least...would that work?

Yeah, that's a good question.

And is "Metal Ready" Por-15 the same as just Por-15 that I bought at an auto paint supply?

I bought some S-K impact sockets recently that had a little rust on them in spots so I decided to soak them in Evaporust. I didn't know the "blackened" surface would also be removed. (see pic below) I am extremely disappointed with Evaporust now. So now I am trying to figure out how to get that black surface back.

Is the sealer what puts the black surface back?

Steve
 

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WOW, they look great (compared to before)! I've looked at several of sets of allen wrenches at the flea market; didn't bite due to some surface rust. Here comes another tool-restoration project that will save me a few bucks...thanks.

For cast iron surfaces like a drill press table (or table saw...jointer) I currently use a paste wax that doesn't have silicone in it (so I don't contaminate the surface before applying a stain.) Boeing makes a product that offers protection from rust - Boeshield T-9. This gets high marks from wood workers. I've never parted with the $25 for a can so I can't say from experience. I've also heard one of the Justice Brothers products (JB/80) offers good protection (& can be used on wood working tools.) Since I'm still looking for a reseller of it I can't speak from experience. I'm not affiliated with either company.
 

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I am extremely disappointed with Evaporust now. So now I am trying to figure out how to get that black surface back.


Steve


Why are you extremely disappointed with evaporust? I believe it says it will take the black oxide off right on the bottle, if not I know the website does. Also this has been discussed on this site a lot. It's a bummer that it happened but I don't think you should be disappointed in evaporust.
 

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Yeah, that's a good question.

And is "Metal Ready" Por-15 the same as just Por-15 that I bought at an auto paint supply?

I bought some S-K impact sockets recently that had a little rust on them in spots so I decided to soak them in Evaporust. I didn't know the "blackened" surface would also be removed. (see pic below) I am extremely disappointed with Evaporust now. So now I am trying to figure out how to get that black surface back.

Is the sealer what puts the black surface back?

Steve

POR-15 metal ready is POR-15 metal ready... same stuff, they make an a few epoxy type paints, a couple cleaners, some puddies, plastic fillers, and whatnot too.
 
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POR 15 is their line of paint as this was their first product: Paint Over Rust. This is a COMPLETELY different product that's sold by the company that makes POR 15. This is NOT a paint. Soooo, it's called Metal Ready and is made by the company that also makes POR 15. I should've said: Metal Ready by Restomotive labs (the makers of POR 15 paint) :)

The Metal Ready is what makes the part black. The sealer deters rusting.

The pics of the sockets- they look to be black oxide. That is a different process than phosphate. But, as you can see the wrenches I did do look close to BO. So yes, you should be able to blacken sockets. BO is a "smoother" finish than phosphate.

You can blacken or darken any type of carbon steel AFAIK- drill press bases, whatever; all you need is enough chemicals and big enough trough. On some items it will not blacken but turn gray. I did some C clamps (malleable iron) and they turned dark gray. I dont' have any pics but could take one if anyone's interested.
 

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Why are you extremely disappointed with evaporust? I believe it says it will take the black oxide off right on the bottle, if not I know the website does. Also this has been discussed on this site a lot. It's a bummer that it happened but I don't think you should be disappointed in evaporust.

Wow, are you the "label readers" police or sumpthin'? I read the label a long time ago and I admit I should every time I use it, but there isn't anything I can do about it now. Right? Besides, Evaporust doesn't get the hard rusted stuff off either. That's why I am MOSTLY disappointed with Evaporust.


POR 15 is their line of paint as this was their first product: Paint Over Rust. This is a COMPLETELY different product that's sold by the company that makes POR 15. This is NOT a paint. Soooo, it's called Metal Ready and is made by the company that also makes POR 15. I should've said: Metal Ready by Restomotive labs (the makers of POR 15 paint) :)

The Metal Ready is what makes the part black. The sealer deters rusting.

The pics of the sockets- they look to be black oxide. That is a different process than phosphate. But, as you can see the wrenches I did do look close to BO. So yes, you should be able to blacken sockets. BO is a "smoother" finish than phosphate.

You can blacken or darken any type of carbon steel AFAIK- drill press bases, whatever; all you need is enough chemicals and big enough trough. On some items it will not blacken but turn gray. I did some C clamps (malleable iron) and they turned dark gray. I dont' have any pics but could take one if anyone's interested.

Thanks Steve_P :)

You're a gentleman and a scholar. :)

Steve
 
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Wow, are you the "label readers" police or sumpthin'? I read the label a long time ago and I admit I should every time I use it, but there isn't anything I can do about it now. Right? Besides, Evaporust doesn't get the hard rusted stuff off either. That's why I am MOSTLY disappointed with Evaporust.

Steve, I'm not a label reader police or anything close. Just didn't understand why you were extremely disappointed with evaporust because it took the black oxide off. No need to blame a product for doing what it says it does. I have also done things like this(not with evaporust) and never blamed the product, blamed myself for not educating myself first.
 

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Scott, like I said above, the reason I am MOSTLY disappointed with Evaporust is because it doesn't work on hard-core deep rust. Since this thread is about Steve's POR-15, I didn't feel it is appropriate to elaborate as to ALL the reasons I am disappointed with Evaporust. How about we get back on topic?

Steve
 

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At work we can't have rust on our tools so the black oxide tools (which ALL rust within a few months... why I HATE the stuff) I just end up shooting with some black rattle can. Doesn't hold up at well as the chrome tools but better than nothing.
 

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Just to kick the Evapo-Rust dead horse in the head again...if you have stubborn rust, make sure the solution is kept at about 90 degrees for a while. Nope, that's not on the label but the Tech where they make it told me...I tried it and it worked great.
 
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I also have a gallon of ER but prefer Metal Ready. ER is ok, it works for me, but after using it you are then left with bare metal- which quickly rusts in most environments (unless you are in the desert). MR will not do that, even w/o any sealer, in any reasonable time if the part is kept out of the rain and in moderate humidity control.

I do not think MR is actually intended to be used as a blackening dip as I'm showing here- it's marketed as a sheetmetal prep for paint and I've also used it for that. Spray it on and you can either wipe if off after a bit, or just let it dry. The bare metal will not rust (for years in my basement) if kept out of the rain. If you let the MR dry on the surface, you can later just sand it off and then prep for paint. The metal appearance will change- it gets a hazy bluish-grayish darkening, and if you let the MR dry you may get a whitish film; again, it easily sands off. Similar chemicals to MR are used on paint dip lines to give some "tooth" to fresh metal.

I will say that MR is far superior to the typical cold blackening dips that places like Eastwood sells. I also have them and don't use them anymore because MR provides much longer lasting results. I also have hot phosphate chemicals and use them for certain projects.
 
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