Above 1200 Sq/FT Restored 1930's Auto Shop

[RHD 4 LIFE]

Ok here's an update on the mysterious jars.

Here they are. I cleaned the one on the right up somewhat (just rinsed it out with water) and is the most interesting of the two.

This is what was inside. Nothing is loose inside the plastic housings on either one. There are no manufactures markings on either. The lids are the same diameter and are interchangeable with either jar.

Both are cheaply made in my opinion.

There are 4 ribbed rubber hose fittings on the first jar. Two fittings are larger than the other two.

This is the second jar, with only two hose fittings. On the right is a cap that swivels to reveal a opening in the lid. The first one had a cap also but it's missing.

The second one inside.

Some observations now that I've gotten a close look. There was no smell inside of the jars, nor any residue of any sort, thankfully. So cheaply made I don't think they were used in any medical capacity. I believe mcdave71 has it. I think they were aftermarket windshield washer pumps and reservoirs. They appear to be vacuum driven and operated, the lack of any residue inside was due to the leftover washer fluid just evaporating which wouldn't happen with Marvel Mystery Oil, though that was a possibility. The inside parts would have evidence of oily residue with MMO. Also the pumps and everything is just cheap plastic, unlike the metal pumps in Stuarts pictures which used MMO.

OK that's what I see, anyone have an old J C Whitney catalog with them illustrated to pin it down for sure? What do you guys think?

I've got more on the Walker floor jacks coming next.

Thomas

Wow what a thread. I just finished it from starting yesterday!
My hat off to you for your diligence and attention to detail!

I found this for you in regaurds to your mystery jars! They are from 1950-1958 Chevy and Buicks and here is the link to get them!

John

http://www.fusick.com/buick_parts.htm

 

[Oggy]

Nice Garage, Love the old time look.

 

[BB767]

Wow what a thread. I just finished it from starting yesterday!
My hat off to you for your diligence and attention to detail!

I found this for you in regaurds to your mystery jars! They are from 1950-1958 Chevy and Buicks and here is the link to get them!

John

http://www.fusick.com/buick_parts.htm

Hello John and welcome to the pool of folks who survived reading all this! I do appreciate you suppling the washer fluid jar information. That just makes the thread so much more informative and gives Chris more material for her test! Hope you'll check back with me here. Once I get back home there are posts just waiting to get on here.

Now go get caught up on your sleep!

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Nice Garage, Love the old time look.

Thanks Oggy, I'll admit I like working out there. Having a new structure like the barn is fine and all, but I just like working out in the old shop. It's got a great "feel" to it that suits me. You'll enjoy all the talented people here on Garage Journal I'm sure. There are some amazing projects on display here.

Thomas

 

[donhenry]

Hi Thomas or Chris
been enjoying your thread & decided I must have missed some pages so went back to recap, read about 10 pages at a time, to lessen eye strain ( getting old(er)) got to page 66, post 1320 where hobbitts quoted a previous post of yours & all the pics were gone with a box saying something like photo bucket image or video no longer available, but I do remember seeing then a day or two back when reading the original posting, any ideas?
still loving this epic!!

 

[markviii]

donhenry,
That was originally post #369 on page 19. The pictures are still there, just not in hobbitss post on page 66. Tom has tried to go back to correct these deleted photos - probably has something to do with how he originally put them on the thread. (The index is coming...it may help you with the test!)
Chris

 

[BB767]

Hi Thomas or Chris
been enjoying your thread & decided I must have missed some pages so went back to recap, read about 10 pages at a time, to lessen eye strain ( getting old(er)) got to page 66, post 1320 where hobbitts quoted a previous post of yours & all the pics were gone with a box saying something like photo bucket image or video no longer available, but I do remember seeing then a day or two back when reading the original posting, any ideas?
still loving this epic!!

Don, hope it's still sunny there in Devon. Europe has had a tough time this winter so far hasn't it?

The post of mine that hobbitts quoted (post #369) had the address for those pictures changed. I have since gone back and corrected my post to now display those pictures. However I can't edit and correct hobbitts post#1320, since it's his post. If Joe wants to go back and edit his post by deleting those old picture addresses and insert the new ones from the original post that would correct that. Chris is right that those pictures are displayed on the original post now so you haven't missed anything. We sure wouldn't want that now would we?

Thanks for your continued interest. I'll bet you're going to do just fine on the test!

Thomas

 

[shopnut]

/snip/
(The index is coming...it may help you with the test!)
Chris

Hello Chris,
Just saw the reference to the upcoming index - excellent idea for this massive thread. There is so much info in here to share, but not everyone has time to read it all or maybe just wants to see specific topics.

I just went through the exercise myself to add one. It wasn't that bad and was actually kind of fun skimming through the entire thread again - a nice walk down memory lane, so to speak. Of course my thread is much, much shorter than yours so yours may be a daunting task. If you plan to add hyperlinks in the index to the associated post#, keep in mind there is a lot of data involved in the "code" and this forum limits character count to 10,000 per post, and that get burned up very quickly with hyperlinks.

Just trying to support a fellow forum member. If you need any help, just ask (PM me if you don't want to clutter up this wonderful thread).

 

[donhenry]

Thank you both for the courtesy of your replies
Chris
I almost resisted the need to reply "yes Miss, thank you Miss" But my wife another Chris, and I, also have a friend who is a retired teacher, so it slips off the tongue by habit
Thomas
Sunny Devon, Yep more sun today, but, let me quote what I posted in another thread

"I only drive a car now, & am Disabled or to put it another way " retired Hurt"
Now a couple weeks back it froze, then it snowed about 1.5 inches pavements ( sidewalks) were prety lethal, road was just about passable for cars but it was still freezing & only one lane cleared, we needed something from the local shop, 400 yds away in next street, able bodied people were slipping & sliding about, road was too narrow & dangerous because of the traffic, but in my wheel chair I did the trip no probs. after all the wheelchair ( only a 2 wheel drive) could n't fall over, only skid, & the ice was so crusty with footprints I could not even get it to 'Drift' !!
But the next day we had another 2 ins on top, different ball game, now you could walk easier & sink into the soft stuff, but the wheel chair got down the cleared path to the road & public pavement & the front small castor type wheels just pushed the snow up in front & turned it into a lump of ice, result back wheels got wheel spin & rear of chair crabbed sideways due to the camber, so fixing my snow plow & snow chains on I ventured forth . . . .


No I saw sense, turned around & went back inside, I doubt very much that we will die of starvation due to the snow, well not here anyway"

No usually Devon is a pleasant & sunny county, & most years we dont even get snow, but we did the last 2 years

 

[hobbitss]

Don, hope it's still sunny there in Devon. Europe has had a tough time this winter so far hasn't it?

The post of mine that hobbitts quoted (post #369) had the address for those pictures changed. I have since gone back and corrected my post to now display those pictures. However I can't edit and correct hobbitts post#1320, since it's his post. If Joe wants to go back and edit his post by deleting those old picture addresses and insert the new ones from the original post that would correct that. Chris is right that those pictures are displayed on the original post now so you haven't missed anything. We sure wouldn't want that now would we?

Thanks for your continued interest. I'll bet you're going to do just fine on the test!

Thomas

Whaaaat???? WhatdidIdo???

I will have to take a look a little later just dropped in to see what got posted while the power was out... Only got about a foot of snow so far but it is damp packed powder... Got a little rest and I need to finish before dark or it all freezes hard as a rock....

Later & Stay warm...

 

[patrick66]

It took me three times to read the whole posting about your shop - all I can say is "WOW!"

It's quite the undertaking you guys did here. To see the before and after pics really puts the project in scale. The building may not be all that big, but the project certainly was. The amount of effort you put forth to keep the overall layout of the shop, while preserving the feel and look of the old, says volumes about your desire for uniqueness and preserving a building many folks would've torn down and replaced with a generic metal building.

This is one of my three favorite shop project threads. Great job!

 

[hobbitss]

The post of mine that hobbitts quoted (post #369) had the address for those pictures changed. I have since gone back and corrected my post to now display those pictures. However I can't edit and correct hobbitts post#1320, since it's his post. If Joe wants to go back and edit his post by deleting those old picture addresses and insert the new ones from the original post that would correct that. Chris is right that those pictures are displayed on the original post now so you haven't missed anything. We sure wouldn't want that now would we?
Thomas

Should be working correctly again.....

Thanks for the tool images, needed a fix... I should be good for a while longer...

TOOLS!!!

or maybe not....

 

[donhenry]

Thanks so much Thomas & Joe,
I am probably old fashioned, but when I read a thread on any Inter netty forum, with little red Xs instead of pics or boxes saying 'pic or vid no longer available' I feel much like I did when reading an old book & finding pages of text or photos ripped out. Used to be a real bookworm when a kid, when about 10yrs old, Dad brough a sackful of old books from an auction that no one else wanted read them all multiple times

Ok, so now I been back through every page, ( can you check that I have do so please Chris with the tech at your fingertips, I seem to remember you refering to this in an earlier thread )
sorry only joking!

so some thoughts that came to my mind
first the ramp

 

[donhenry]

The LIFT
in this detail from the catalogue, it looks to me that the attatchment option they supplied was on the right hd ramp driving on ( I prefer not to use drivers /pass side terminology, as this is a world wide readership & I am the one that easily gets confused ), before you get to the middle yoke ( that looks to me as the FIXED stops at the other end)
But the added brackets to your lift are the OTHER side of the yoke, so the question that comes to my mind, having read all other ideas on here , is , was it used to somehow anchor down the front end of a tractor that was partially on the ramp so that the back end, the rear axle say could be worked on & removed

Probably a DAFT idea, that dont explain 3 anchor holes tho.
But sometimes allow thoughts to run on sparks others to further ideas more correct perhaps

 

[donhenry]

This intrigues me,
why 2 different diameter barrels in what looks to be an ordinary oil can,

Now if it had a separate opening to the bigger barrel, as a separate chamber, You could just imagine a hot water jacket keeping the oil from getting more viscous on a cold day.

There must have been a lot of oilers out there in the day, so economy of manufacture must have been an issue, why go to that expense?

 

[donhenry]

Those heating oil tanks, were they converted later into tanker trailers for farmers use, or just for scrap steel sheet use, can see possabilities with those.
sorry for all the question but thats the way my mind works.
"What would I do with that, how would I reutilise it"
I actually have some wood ply that has seen about 6-7 uses in different projects over the last 25 years

 

[donhenry]

2005? pic of road sign bottom segment plain no additions

2010? pic bottom segment looks to have aquired some numerical sticker additions

is this the township dating/id ing signs program, or something else?

Always questions questions
but as any good teacher will tell ya, dont ask you wont know!!

 

[donhenry]

That hatchety thing, could be used as a small axe of course, chopping kindling?, but, with that snickety there, nail puller? perhaps it is an adze,
or even more remotely unlikely, was it fruit box makers tool for doing apple/ fruit veg/etc., wood crates, nail in with the head, pull out when misshot with inside of blade, trim too wide a side with the axe blade.
Think outside the box ( sorry) thats way over the horizon
I seem to remember using such a tool with that snitch in the back there, cant remember where it came from, or even where it went

Edit;- the handle on that doesn't look like the original, no shaping on the shaft just before the blade?
but hey, its probably handle no 7?

 

[donhenry]

looks like one of the weights from your scales, the one with the wood upright, has got separated from home, or is that another scale, that one had a hanger on didn't it?

Edit, did a bit more searching
BTW the "Search this forum" button option is very useful)
this is the scale I remembered, but it is a balance arm type with the weights having key hole slots to fit on that wire hanger, looks like a replacement wire.
So, have you come across a second scale, probably with 2 platforms one for sacks, the other for the weights.
that weight with the cast in handle looks like it could be a 28 lb one, I also saw 56lb ones, most commonly. I suppose there were also 14lb ones but dont recall seeing them.
In Devon in the 1960-70s they were quite common still, as many Farmers used them to check weight their corn sacks to see the corn merchant gave them correct returns

 

[Bob Heine]

That hatchety thing, could be used as a small axe of course, chopping kindling?, but, with that snickety there, nail puller? perhaps it is an adze,

Every hatchet/hammer I've ever owned has that snickety -- nail puller. Very handy tool for wire fencing. Blade side turns a two-by into a pointed stake. Hammer side drives the stake. Chicken wire is held to the stake with a nail driven almost flush and then bent over the wire. Those chicken-wire fences kept critters from my grandmother's garden in the summer. Nail puller made quick work of taking the fence down at the end of the growing season.

Might be a whole better explanation from the experts. That's just how I used it (it was also handy on camping trips).

 

[ZRX61]

So, have you come across a second scale, probably with 2 platforms one for sacks, the other for the weights.
that weight with the cast in handle looks like it could be a 28 lb one, I also saw 56lb ones, most commonly. I suppose there were also 14lb ones but dont recall seeing them.
In Devon in the 1960-70s they were quite common still, as many Farmers used them to check weight their corn sacks to see the corn merchant gave them correct returns

My uncles bakery used them for decades. The larger ones were steel in 56lb, 28lb etc shaped like the one in the pic with the handle cast into it. The smaller ones were round in 5, 2 1/2, 1lb etc & the really small ones down to an ounce or so were brass.

Found a pic:

 

[ZRX61]

Smaller brass ones like this:

 

[patrick66]

That 42" ball peen hammer you showed earlier...could it have been used to put the lift stop up without having to get under the car before lowering?

 

[Amitygravel]

Hello Thomas

The iron block with the cast in handle that donhenry was referring to is a combine weight. At least that's what I've always heard them called. I don't know for sure how or if they actually were used in combines. They may have gone to the back end to provide better steering since they steer with the back wheels.


Craig

 

[donhenry]

The sort of scales I was thinking of would be similar to this one I found on Flkr search, front platform for sacks or whatever, & back smaller platform for the cast weights, when the tops of the 2 platform uprights were level that was your weight

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36792395@N05/3913652628/

 

[kbuhagiar]

Hello, Thomas and Chris,

Greetings from South San Francisco, CA.

I just spent the last couple of weeks reading this entire thread. I arrived here via a detour through Jack's '12-Gauge Garage' thread (another pleasant saga of epic proportions!).

Congratulations on your accomplishments.
I am especially fond of your knack of embracing modern tools and technologies while honoring the historical significance of the shop and its previous owners. Perfect.

Looking forward to many, many more installments.

Cheers!

 

[BB767]

Hello Chris,
Just saw the reference to the upcoming index - excellent idea for this massive thread. There is so much info in here to share, but not everyone has time to read it all or maybe just wants to see specific topics.

I just went through the exercise myself to add one. It wasn't that bad and was actually kind of fun skimming through the entire thread again - a nice walk down memory lane, so to speak. Of course my thread is much, much shorter than yours so yours may be a daunting task. If you plan to add hyperlinks in the index to the associated post#, keep in mind there is a lot of data involved in the "code" and this forum limits character count to 10,000 per post, and that get burned up very quickly with hyperlinks.

Just trying to support a fellow forum member. If you need any help, just ask (PM me if you don't want to clutter up this wonderful thread).

Shopnut, many thanks for the information. I suspect it will come in handy. I've started compiling information for the index but it's not done yet. It seems I spend available computer time mostly for new posts so I'm getting more behind all the time!! It is a good review vehicle I'm finding. Patience is a virtue.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

It took me three times to read the whole posting about your shop - all I can say is "WOW!"

It's quite the undertaking you guys did here. To see the before and after pics really puts the project in scale. The building may not be all that big, but the project certainly was. The amount of effort you put forth to keep the overall layout of the shop, while preserving the feel and look of the old, says volumes about your desire for uniqueness and preserving a building many folks would've torn down and replaced with a generic metal building.

This is one of my three favorite shop project threads. Great job!

Hello there Patrick. If you read the thread three times you should be in great shape for the test on it. Nice that you took a moment to share your thoughts. I personally like doing/seeing before after pictures. Even with no accompanying text they speak for themselves. As you no doubt know, at times I'm gone and there is a pause in my postings here and guess what.......this is another of those times. I'm almost done with my trips and will be back to posting more material.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

The LIFT
in this detail from the catalogue, it looks to me that the attatchment option they supplied was on the right hd ramp driving on ( I prefer not to use drivers /pass side terminology, as this is a world wide readership & I am the one that easily gets confused ), before you get to the middle yoke ( that looks to me as the FIXED stops at the other end)
But the added brackets to your lift are the OTHER side of the yoke, so the question that comes to my mind, having read all other ideas on here , is , was it used to somehow anchor down the front end of a tractor that was partially on the ramp so that the back end, the rear axle say could be worked on & removed

Probably a DAFT idea, that dont explain 3 anchor holes tho.
But sometimes allow thoughts to run on sparks others to further ideas more correct perhaps

What's intriguing to me is that the brackets clearly show thought and effort to fabricate and then install and there could be multiple uses but what would have been the primary one? I still think Elroys' idea the most likely at this point. I've toyed with trying to mock up a leg as he proposed to see how viable it is. Perhaps that will happen in the future. Your ideas indeed stimulate other thoughts, not a bad thing. Thanks.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

This intrigues me,
why 2 different diameter barrels in what looks to be an ordinary oil can,

Now if it had a separate opening to the bigger barrel, as a separate chamber, You could just imagine a hot water jacket keeping the oil from getting more viscous on a cold day.

There must have been a lot of oilers out there in the day, so economy of manufacture must have been an issue, why go to that expense?

Don that oil can intrigued me too as soon as I set it down but I didn't take the time to examine it. Once I'm home I'll take a closer look at it to see if we can collectively figure it out. I don't know if it's a Mr.Johnson modification or "store bought". It's possible he did that to keep the smaller can from tipping over. He was known to fabricate a lot of clever little things like that. I've got some of them set aside and at some point I'll do a post on them. When you first look you wonder, why did he go to all the trouble? I suspect the real answer lays in the challenge to do it.

Don I'll get to your other inquires later and no need to apologize. They are all good ones and some of them I've wondered about myself. Been flying all night for 10 hours and rest calls before I type something really strange. (if I haven't already!) Check back here and thanks for your interest. Keeps me on my toes and it'll help everyone on the test.

Thomas

 

[tdkkart]

Don that oil can intrigued me too as soon as I set it down but I didn't take the time to examine it. Once I'm home I'll take a closer look at it to see if we can collectively figure it out. I don't know if it's a Mr.Johnson modification or "store bought".

You can still buy an oil can like that, we've got one at work.
Scroll down a bit here:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#oilers/=alnnra

 

[henrysgarage]

I saw this and thought I would be of interest to the fellow in CA. Hillbillyhowe has a belly tank and is looking to get rid of it.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550443

 

[donhenry]

You can still buy an oil can like that, we've got one at work.
Scroll down a bit here:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#oilers/=alnnra

So looking at their illustrations it would look as if the original designer used a common size pump/ screw assembly & used a different diameter base to increase capacity, I see there is another one on there like You found Thomas, the inverted funnel shaped one.

Which raises a question in my mind, was the original stamping/ shaper so well made that they are still able to use it, to produce new ones today.

 

[Nuts]

This intrigues me,
why 2 different diameter barrels in what looks to be an ordinary oil can,

Now if it had a separate opening to the bigger barrel, as a separate chamber, You could just imagine a hot water jacket keeping the oil from getting more viscous on a cold day.

There must have been a lot of oilers out there in the day, so economy of manufacture must have been an issue, why go to that expense?

I think it simply has to do with ergonomics. Oil cans by their very nature, get slippery, the smaller diameter allows you to get a grip. Notice the can on the left is a larger diameter, but has a handle. I'd say the one on the right does also.

Take a look at any household cleaning sprayer, and they have the same general shape.

Nuts

 

[BigDaddyUSMC]

Y MANIFOLD UPDATE
Hello race fans...
Today I went to Jacob's house to watch the Steelers game. While I was there, I took photos of the AL JERAULD Y Manifold. It has been cleaned up . The lettering has been highlighted with red paint & given a few coats of clear coat. The manifold has been mounted on a black marble base with 4 brass plates. One is a tribute to AL JERAULD & George Barber, another is a likeness of JERAULDS SPEED SHOP business card from back in the day, the third is a laser etched photo of the Jerauld Belly Tank dry lake record car & the fourth plate thanks Thomas & mself for getting the Y manifold to him
Here are some photos
The first two photos are Thomas' photos of the manifold when he found it

This is what the manifold looks like today

Jacob isn't done with his manifold yet..
He plans on getting 2 Stromberg 97 Carbs ,2 velocity stacks & the carb linkage for his Y manifold
I will post more photos when the project is finished

AGAIN
Thank You Thomas , You have made an old gear head happy

 

[CrustyD3mon]

well done!!!!

 

[BB767]

Those heating oil tanks, were they converted later into tanker trailers for farmers use, or just for scrap steel sheet use, can see possabilities with those.
sorry for all the question but thats the way my mind works.
"What would I do with that, how would I reutilise it"
I actually have some wood ply that has seen about 6-7 uses in different projects over the last 25 years

2005? pic of road sign bottom segment plain no additions

2010? pic bottom segment looks to have aquired some numerical sticker additions

is this the township dating/id ing signs program, or something else?

Always questions questions
but as any good teacher will tell ya, dont ask you wont know!!

Don I'll have to ask my friend if those oil tanks were ever used for something and if so what. These are just the ones that were there when I bought the shop. Over the years there may have been more out there that were used for another purpose. I really believe they found their way out there because they were given to Mr. Johnson for free and he wasn't about to turn down a free oil tank. Since they mostly came out of basements at the time, they would have been largely rust free inside and quite usable as a tank.

The old sign out by the road: I was was taking lumber supplies, UPS and FedEx deliveries at the shop during it's restoration. It needed a street number for the drivers to find the shop. I just applied some adhesive backed numbers to the old sign, being careful to not put them over any of the painted letters, not that the letters were/are very visible anyway. That's why the numbers are stacked vertically, it kept them off the painted surfaces. It was a quick way to solve that detail. Once I get permanent numbers out there the temporary ones will be removed. No harm no foul as it were.

Thomas

 

[donhenry]

Ah, makes real sense, I used to do multidrop work, & address sometimes was a nightmare ( pre-satnav, & pre - area codes), If i am expecting a delivery from a non regular delivery man, I have hung out an identifying sign in road hedge for drivers benefit


now that Meat tenderiser??

Just found this illustration from a catalogue that I found on line a while ago,

Having found a name for it, maybe someone knows what it was used for, are there any stone bushers out there?

 

[BB767]

That 42" ball peen hammer you showed earlier...could it have been used to put the lift stop up without having to get under the car before lowering?

Patrick66, the lift as I found it didn't have safety dogs (lift stops) on the second, small post. That small post was originally just used by Rotary to prevent the lift from rotating. It was just a straight piece of pipe with no cut-outs.

At some point in the evolution of the design, some smart Rotary engineer incorporated those safety dogs into it. When I dug the lift up and reconditioned it, I called Rotary to see if they still had any posts with the safety dogs. They still make them to support old lifts still being used so I replaced the original post with the new design.

It bolted right into place where the old one was. This is a long winded way of saying when the lift was being used before I reconditioned it, there was no need to raise the lift to reset the nonexistent safety dogs. So no, sorry, I don't think that's what the ball peen hammer might have been used for. As I think of it now though that was an excellent idea. In fact now that you brought it up, that may be what I used that hammer for. Don't give up, brainstorming like that may lead us to the answer. Thanks.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Hello, Thomas and Chris,

Greetings from South San Francisco, CA.

I just spent the last couple of weeks reading this entire thread. I arrived here via a detour through Jack's '12-Gauge Garage' thread (another pleasant saga of epic proportions!).

Congratulations on your accomplishments.
I am especially fond of your knack of embracing modern tools and technologies while honoring the historical significance of the shop and its previous owners. Perfect.

Looking forward to many, many more installments.

Cheers!

Hello Ken and cheers to you as well! Jacks garage is one the best examples of the talent on display here at Garage Journal don't you think? Of course being a fellow alumni of the University Of Illinois it shouldn't really be all that surprising, now should it?

Early on I decided that this would be a working shop and as such I always knew I would use the best method or technology to do any given task. The old arc welding still has it's place for example, but modern wire feed Mig/Tig is just much more convenient. But I personally enjoy having both machines residing side by side. Much the same for other pieces of shop equipment. As I start now to use more and more of Mr Johnson's tools and equipment that I've reconditioned, I continue to gain respect for him and what he started with the shop. I'm proud to carry that tradition on.

No need to worry about many more installments, they are on the way. Thank you for your interest here.

Thomas