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Tool Trip to Grandpa's

lambo13

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I finally made my trip to my grandpa's house to dig through his tool barn. In this thread here I got a ton of great input from people on types and brands of tools I should be on the look out for.

Overall the trip was a great success because I got to see my grandpa, although the tools I brought back weren't exactly what I was hoping for.

Left early this AM from Virginia Beach headed north to the Northern Neck of Virginia. If I had stopped at every classic car for sale on the side of the road or peeking out of people's car ports, I'd never have made it to my grandpa's.

Driving through the Northern Neck the other thing you notice is all of the water. There are numerous inlets to the Chesapeake Bay scattered throughout.

Here is a blurry pic from one of many bridges I crossed:
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Here is the entrance to Sunnyside.
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I grew up going here at least once year and loved it. Everything seems much 'smaller' now when I visit, but I still get that sense of wonder as I walk around. It is registered in the National Register of Historic Places not only because of its age, but because of how close to original it still is. It is basically unchanged from before the Civil War.

The driveway up to the house.
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There is a wagon circle in front of the house. In the circle used to be a garden maze with a hidden cherub fountain in the center. I remember being a little kid and chasing my brother around and getting lost.

I’ve learned a lot more chatting with my mom and grandpa today. Some of the things I mentioned in my previous post were incorrect. Feel free to skip this post and go to the tools in the next post, but I thought I’d write this down if only for my own sake.

Here is the main house.
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The house, barn, corn crib, carriage house, smokehouse and dairy house were built in around 1820 or 1830. The ‘guest cottage’ came a few years later. I say “guest” because it was originally used as living quarters for slaves/servants.

This shows the path from the front of the main house down past the white guest house, then the carriage house, corn crib, and barn in the very far distance.
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And another pic of the three barns.
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The cottage served as the ‘summer kitchen’ and they’d walk the cobblestone path to the mudroom entrance in the back of the main house, whistling as they walked so that the homeowners knew they weren’t eating the food.

I don’t have pics of it, but there is also a small cemetery on the property where one of the previous owners, his wife, and his children are buried. His youngest daughter was named Genevieve and died when she was 9 (if I remember correctly).

My grandmother used to swear that Genevieve and her mom still ‘haunted’ Sunnyside, though she said they were friendly ghosts. Before she passed two years ago, she’d tell us how she would always see floating, glowing eyes move throughout the house, hear footsteps and doors opening and closing, and even on several occasions seeing the word ‘Genevieve’ written in the morning dew on the kitchen window (which is right next to the cemetery).

My grandpa kept his tools in the carriage house but it seems that he gave away or sold his tools as he sold his collection unfortunately. Some of the cars he restored included a 1967 Austin Healey Sprite MKIV, a VW Bug, a Peugeot station wagon (not sure of the year or model, just remember climbing in the back with it’s wood bed and brass fittings), a 1955 Jaguar XK140, Lincoln Continental convertible with suicide doors (used in Northumberland Homecoming parades), a couple Rover sedans and a 1947 Chevy ½ ton (just like my ’53!) among many others.

Here is the corn crib, and yes, it is filled with old pieces of dried out corn.
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And here is the barn at the farthest end of the property. The Austin Healey Sprite used to live under there until some guy noticed it from the road and bought it from my grandpa.
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As I walked inside the barn a cat came screaming out and scared the sh*t out of me. I found one of his buddies who didn’t make it.
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Here are two pics of the inside of the carriage house.
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That rounds out the buildings at Sunnyside, so now on to the tools!
 
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So here was his main tool bench. Guess he would pull the car in and work on it right there on the dirt floor. There are two ramps rusting away behind the bicycles in the back.
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And the bicycles. At least one is a Schwinn if that is a big deal.
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An old fishing rod, one of dozens.
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And one of three or four tackle boxes.
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An award from the city of Washington DC that had cracked and was awaiting repair on his bench for probably 30 years.
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There were no tool boxes of any interest. But I did find this box hidden in the back corner.
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Anyone heard of The Safety Deposit Box Co.?
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Inside was just some broken pieces of whatever that lining is and an empty jewelry box from Shah & Shah in Washington DC.
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This was the first tool I found, and I have no idea what it is. So I left it.
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Here is a nice SK ratchet set that my grandpa decided to hang onto in case he needed it. Haha, oh well. Would have been nice to have.
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Here are some tools I actually did bring back, and apologies in advance for not finding any of the amazing brands that some of you had suggested I look out for. Oh well!

Judd Speed Clamps
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A carpenter’s square or something w/ O.W. Milder on both sides.
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Some big shears or something, Niagara brand
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Lufkin…. Whatever this is. Pre-measuring tape thingy.
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Next generation Lufkin measuring tape
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More measuring things… one is a ‘K-D’ and another Lufkin.
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Two Garrington brand wrenches that apparently came with the Jaguar. Kinda neat.
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ChannelLocks.
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Big Ridgid. Grandad said it fell of a semi in front of the house one day.
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Pipe wrenches, one is a Wilco?
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There were two or three of these… no brand that I could see but made in the USA. Older than me I’m sure.
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Two Lectrolites, both said Tru Fit on the back as well.
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Chrome Molybdenum?
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Some SKs
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Thorsen Tool Co. Tri-Torque Torque Wrench
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A Wizard brand punch
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No name
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Stanley Handyman and Tru-Test Supreme screwdrivers
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Williams wrench
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Harrold needlenose, made in West Germany
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Utica 888-6 bent needlenose
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Here are most of the tools all laid out
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Thats a good haul.
Your 1/2 9/16 SK has been my favorite for so many years that I started looking for another and found a slightly shorter SK Wayne.
Both old bikes are Schwinns

I hope you kept the 1911 box.
Anything that old that has survived should be taken care of
 
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It's fun digging through old barns/buildings and seeing what you find.

I have several Lectrolite wrenches from my grandfather too. I think they date to the 40s or 50s.
 

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The lining in the box is likely fireproof material, something like asbestos, since it looks like a larger safety deposit box from a bank.
 

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Nice coke bottle, I was collecting them for a while and stopped to work on more tools, but when I have more room I will start up again.
 

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Be sure to spend time with your grandfather and document the history and stories he was told as a youth. You will be glad you did.
I still remember my grandmother talking about her Uncles who fought at the Battle of Cedar Creek, VA in 1864.
 

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This post let me know just how old I am. When a folding rule and feeler gauges are refered to as "more measuring things" you understand that the younger guys on here never learned how to gap a set of points or set the clearance on the valves with a solid lifter cam. Never mind how handy a folding rule is/was....
 

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Dont scrap the old bicycles.Collectors will pay good money for certain ones id research the makes. The deposit box is lined with asbestos so dont stir it up much and get the fibers airborn.
 

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I used to go up that way to Chincoteague Island, VA back when I lived in Suffolk.
And caught many a Stripers off the pylons of that bridge. Good times!
Yeah, that salt air off the Chesapeake puts some rust on that steel.
Looks like the grandpa's tool colection from when I was a kid.
Thanks for sharing yer pix!
 

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Very nice tools you will have some great stories to tell. The lufkin rulers are used by carpenters; a long time ago they were first made out of boxwood, then they went to metal. As far as value they will be priceless to you, but you can still pick them up for a decent price today.

The one lufkin ruler in the round case is also very collectable,but in very nice condition,still it has some small value,be sure and oil it.

The carpenters square is a nice touch, do not take any of the old patina off, but be sure and put some oil on it. Collectors like myself look for them; if they are very nice shape sometimes they go for high prices,but finding them in nice shape is always a challenge!

Thank you for sharing those great pictures,now you have some wonderful stories along with some great old tools...:thumbup:
 

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Love watching stuff like this... Lot of history behind them it looks like.
 

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This post let me know just how old I am. When a folding rule and feeler gauges are refered to as "more measuring things" you understand that the younger guys on here never learned how to gap a set of points or set the clearance on the valves with a solid lifter cam. Never mind how handy a folding rule is/was....
Get outa' here, you know how to use that pre measuring tape thingie? :lol_hitti

Thanks for sharing lambo, some cool vintage stuff.
That first tool looks like a hand drill with some type of retro-fit attachment, maybe a mortise set-up?
You've got a lot of memories there, good on you! Maybe you can share them with the next generation.
 

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I'm with GeorgiaHybrid.

There still are some Iron workers and Pipefitters that prefer the folding rule, and I can't believe he didn't know what a "feeler guage" is, or Tin Snips.....you can still buy ALL those things! :Kodos:
 

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That first tool is a hand drill with a leaning pad. You would lean against it to push the drill bit through the work as you spun the crank.

-Jeff
 

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I also new what the measuring stick was, I'm 19, and most of the other tools. My great uncle used to use those more than tape measures. I would help him and my dad do a whole lot of stuff. My uncle passed away about a year ago, and I look forward to seeing all the tools he has in his garage and sheds

That other "thing" is an old cordless drill lol. But the armpit piece is usually cast iron, has been replaced with wood. My dad has two in near usable condition, no telling how many are in my uncle's old garage and sheds. The one in your last picture is also a drill, I've used one with older augers to drill into wood. Lots of work.

edit: too late on the drill, JSBriggs beat me.
 
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The bike with the headlight/balloon tires/spring seat....you NEED to bring that out and restore or sell it to someone who will.
 

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There were two or three of these… no brand that I could see but made in the USA. Older than me I’m sure.
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That's an Indestro, from somewhere around the 1930's. The double arrowhead design was an Indestro trademark. Sometimes I think they were sold under other brand names, but still had that look.
 

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The Jaguar wrenches are worth a lot to a collector as most went missing from the cars. I have a few for my E-Type and I know what I would have to pay to complete my set. They are often are worth 4-times what a snap-on wrench is worth. Check E-Bay you'll understand what a collector is willing to pay for the right ones. I am not a expert, I just don't want you to get short changed. Regards
 
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The carpenters square is a nice touch, do not take any of the old patina off, but be sure and put some oil on it. Collectors like myself look for them; if they are very nice shape sometimes they go for high prices,but finding them in nice shape is always a challenge!

what type of oil should I put on them to keep them from rusting any further?
 
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I'm with GeorgiaHybrid.

There still are some Iron workers and Pipefitters that prefer the folding rule, and I can't believe he didn't know what a "feeler guage" is, or Tin Snips.....you can still buy ALL those things! :Kodos:

Yeah, yeah. Just be glad I'm willing to learn about and save some of these things! Not everyone my age appreciates these types of things.

Can't hold my age against me!
 
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The bike with the headlight/balloon tires/spring seat....you NEED to bring that out and restore or sell it to someone who will.

You really think that Schwinn is worth saving? Don't know where I'd start. With two little girls, a '53 Chevy 1/2 ton and a new collection of rusted tools I'm not sure I have the bandwidth for that project.

Maybe I could donate it to someone who has the time.
 
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That's an Indestro, from somewhere around the 1930's. The double arrowhead design was an Indestro trademark. Sometimes I think they were sold under other brand names, but still had that look.

Thanks Matthew! I had no idea but looking online you're right, definitely Indestro design from the 30s and 40s. I only grabbed one but I think there were a few more. Will have to go back again and grab the others.
 
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The Jaguar wrenches are worth a lot to a collector as most went missing from the cars. I have a few for my E-Type and I know what I would have to pay to complete my set. They are often are worth 4-times what a snap-on wrench is worth. Check E-Bay you'll understand what a collector is willing to pay for the right ones. I am not a expert, I just don't want you to get short changed. Regards

No kidding. Guess people who can afford to restore classic Jags can afford to pay $60 for some wrenches to finish out their car.
 

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You really think that Schwinn is worth saving? Don't know where I'd start. With two little girls, a '53 Chevy 1/2 ton and a new collection of rusted tools I'm not sure I have the bandwidth for that project.

Maybe I could donate it to someone who has the time.

you dont have to restore it today tomorrow or even next year just set it aside and save it for when you do have time/ cash.
I have projects backed up just hoping to find time some day. Just think someday your girls may be big enough to ride those bikes how cool would it be to know that they came from grandpas and you restored them.
I would take every thing even if its nopt tools some great stuff in there

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Thanks Matthew! I had no idea but looking online you're right, definitely Indestro design from the 30s and 40s. I only grabbed one but I think there were a few more. Will have to go back again and grab the others.

They should be part of a set of around 6 pieces, I think. The hole is in the middle so that they stack together and you put a screw through it with a wing nut, and it is a nice compact set. It's similar to my great-grandfathers set...

Also be careful with some of the older stuff that may have a dull finish - could be cadmium, rather than chrome/nickel plating. Cadmium dust is not something you want to put in the air if you're cleaning this stuff up...
 

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Yeah, yeah. Just be glad I'm willing to learn about and save some of these things! Not everyone my age appreciates these types of things.

Can't hold my age against me!

Soak the feeler gauge in ATF fluid for a few days until all of the blades can be opened up. To clean the rust off, go over it LIGHTLY with 0000 steel wool and ATF or light machine oil (air tool oil, Marvel Mystery, etc) until the rust is gone. Do not rub it to a bright finish as you will be wiping the sizes off on the blades. You will wind up with a nice patina finish.

A feeler gauge is used to check very tight clearances between things (contact points, rocker arm to valve stem, etc). You "feel" the drag on the gauge to see if it is too tight or too loose as you adjust the clearance between the two parts. It is something that is still used and takes a little practice to judge when the clearance is just right.
 

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Dont scrap the old bicycles.Collectors will pay good money for certain ones id research the makes. The deposit box is lined with asbestos so dont stir it up much and get the fibers airborn.

:thumbup: on that. Judging from the pics, the one in the back looks like an older Electro-Welded Schwinn.
They didn't only make the bike frames back then - they made their own tubes! They bought plate steel, cut it into strips, then bent them with a curve and seamlessly welded those into tubes to make the frames. Very heavy, but lasted forever (how do you think the gave a honest lifetime warranty?).
Definitely a restore and sell to collector!

Thanks for the pictures and stories. Great to see some things don't get changed every 20 years!
 

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Yeah, yeah. Just be glad I'm willing to learn about and save some of these things! Not everyone my age appreciates these types of things.

Can't hold my age against me!


I take it back Lambo! Didn't realize you were a Young feller! ;)

Only here to help, usually when folks are rebuilding a car/truck, they have quite a few years under their belts, otherwise, most young folks never get 'em done without some kind of help. And raising kids sure makes it hard to get any building done. I know all about that.

I'd give the Schwinn bike away to someone that would rebuild it, or at least sell it, if you want or can.
 

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ok this is what I know
the tin snips "Niagara" brand
Niagara also makes shears,so maybe they might of made tin snips as well.
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now the Lufkin measuring tape
they used to be made right here in my town years ago.
I have one of the roll up ones.

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nice tools!!
 

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nice photo of the house and barns , tools are cool .I love the Jaguar wrenches :) Thanks
 

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I'd clean some of the more useable tools up & use them,save the others ,(maybe put them on a tool display board) you'll get a certain satisfaction when you pick up grandpas wrench and use it. The only thing I have is a 12" crescent wrench from my g-pa, he was an electrician in the coal mines in Wharton WVa. needless to say I treasure it.
He died from black lung when I was 10.
 
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