Snap-On could end this **** this week. Send someone down to the walmart (its about three miles down the road from the plant) buy a made in china video camera to show us USA made ratchet pawls. I've said this before but I live the next town over from the plant and drive by it weekly. I have been told by someone that would absolutely know, that the pawls were outsourced to Asia, now this was early on in the f80 history so maybe its changed now. I know most people don't believe me and thats cool, I would love to give the name of the SO employee but I would like for them to have their job tommorrow... but Just show us a video and I will never mention it again.
Snap On Dual 80 ratchet question......
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I'm not looking for assumptions or speculations, just hard facts.
Shame on you for stirring the pot..
I notice this ongoing debate about Snap On Dual 80 ratchets being made overseas and not here in the USA. Does anyone know where they are really made? I'm not looking for assumptions or speculations, just hard facts.
The hard facts are the Dual 80 Ratchets are not stamped with USA. It would not be leagle to stamp or label somthing USA if it is not made in the USA.If the Dual 80 ratchets are made in the USA they would be Stamped USA. If the Daul 80's do not have USA on them Why? Until I see USA on the new Dual 80 ratchet I will not buy one. I will not buy any Snap On tool not stamped USA.
Personally, I believe they are completely made in the USA at this point and have been up until this time. Snap-on isn't afraid to list on their website where things have been made and lots of their products state that they were made in China, Spain, etc...
Even if the parts are outsourced, I'm sure Snap-on will have a stringent quality control and the tools will remain to be of the utmost quality.
With that said...
The problem for me lies in what removing the stamp means. It means that they are preparing to outsource, or that they have the perception that removing "USA" will improve sales.
Outsourcing will be accepted by some as just a fact of modern life, some won't have it.
I think most everyone would be upset if it was removed to increase sales. To think that being "Made in the USA" is a negative thing upsets the long believed apple cart. It's taken as a personal insult by those that make the tools and the ones who pay exorbitant amounts of money for them for their personal/work use.
Most of use understand we are far from popular in the Middle East, but believe that when other countries see "Made in the USA", other countries know we make the best of everything on this planet. To hide that it was made in the USA, as if it were a bad thing, is a slap in the face to not only the people who make and use these tools, but everyone that lives in this country.
Regardless of the reason for the removal, it leaves a negative feeling for me (and many others that believe in the Snap-on product) being that I now feel a product I am proud to own and have thousands of dollars invested in could end up being "just another tool company".
Many people live many years of their lives, 40-80 hours a week holding these tools in their hands. Earning their living, taking pride in their skill and what they do. The tool "brand" is as much of their identity as their skill level, expertise and brand of equipment they service. A lot of us were raised to believe that a man stands by his word and his work. That his name means everything. That having your name associated with dishonesty or poor craftsmanship is the worst crime you could commit to yourself and your family.
If Snap-on starts to blur the lines that have never been changed before, those people will lose part of their identity with it.
Most everyone pushes against change, especially when it is perceived as a negative thing.
After our faltering economy and the finger being pointed at globalization and outsourcing to other countries being the culprit, especially communist China, things like this are not going to go over well with the people who really care and believe in this country. Especially when it feels like it is happening to a company that some have their last bit of hope left in.
Everyone has things that help them hang on to hope. Things that allow them to shield themselves from the inevitable truths of change. We are living in a time where things for a long time were based around the people of this country and what they were capable of. To now living in a time when it seems all that matters is the bottom profit line for investors. These ideals are not held dear and do not inspire great things in the people that "do". The confidence in this country and its people has fallen into the toilet. Things that hold the mentality and sentiment of they way we have perceived this country for years is what keeps a lot of people going. The hope that we can return from what is happening, to the way it use to be.
In closing, the lack of a "USA" stamp is just not about a "tool" for a lot of us, it evokes thought about the state of our country and the world we live in. It's just as much about politics as it is about the tool.
Why else would people be so upset and have hundreds of threads, hundreds of posts long about this one subject?
The bottom line for me is what removing the "USA" means.
Even if the parts are outsourced, I'm sure Snap-on will have a stringent quality control and the tools will remain to be of the utmost quality.
With that said...
The problem for me lies in what removing the stamp means. It means that they are preparing to outsource, or that they have the perception that removing "USA" will improve sales.
Outsourcing will be accepted by some as just a fact of modern life, some won't have it.
I think most everyone would be upset if it was removed to increase sales. To think that being "Made in the USA" is a negative thing upsets the long believed apple cart. It's taken as a personal insult by those that make the tools and the ones who pay exorbitant amounts of money for them for their personal/work use.
Most of use understand we are far from popular in the Middle East, but believe that when other countries see "Made in the USA", other countries know we make the best of everything on this planet. To hide that it was made in the USA, as if it were a bad thing, is a slap in the face to not only the people who make and use these tools, but everyone that lives in this country.
Regardless of the reason for the removal, it leaves a negative feeling for me (and many others that believe in the Snap-on product) being that I now feel a product I am proud to own and have thousands of dollars invested in could end up being "just another tool company".
Many people live many years of their lives, 40-80 hours a week holding these tools in their hands. Earning their living, taking pride in their skill and what they do. The tool "brand" is as much of their identity as their skill level, expertise and brand of equipment they service. A lot of us were raised to believe that a man stands by his word and his work. That his name means everything. That having your name associated with dishonesty or poor craftsmanship is the worst crime you could commit to yourself and your family.
If Snap-on starts to blur the lines that have never been changed before, those people will lose part of their identity with it.
Most everyone pushes against change, especially when it is perceived as a negative thing.
After our faltering economy and the finger being pointed at globalization and outsourcing to other countries being the culprit, especially communist China, things like this are not going to go over well with the people who really care and believe in this country. Especially when it feels like it is happening to a company that some have their last bit of hope left in.
Everyone has things that help them hang on to hope. Things that allow them to shield themselves from the inevitable truths of change. We are living in a time where things for a long time were based around the people of this country and what they were capable of. To now living in a time when it seems all that matters is the bottom profit line for investors. These ideals are not held dear and do not inspire great things in the people that "do". The confidence in this country and its people has fallen into the toilet. Things that hold the mentality and sentiment of they way we have perceived this country for years is what keeps a lot of people going. The hope that we can return from what is happening, to the way it use to be.
In closing, the lack of a "USA" stamp is just not about a "tool" for a lot of us, it evokes thought about the state of our country and the world we live in. It's just as much about politics as it is about the tool.
Why else would people be so upset and have hundreds of threads, hundreds of posts long about this one subject?
The bottom line for me is what removing the "USA" means.
mrshaun
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Looking at one of my sets that has sockets/ratchet/extensions and wow it says made in the USA on it... 310tsmpk
so does this one
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...674819&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all
there is nothing left of the horse but a spec of dust by now...
so does this one
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...674819&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all
there is nothing left of the horse but a spec of dust by now...
chadster1
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Snap-on Dual 80 ratchets and their internal parts are made right here:
Snap-on Tools
2195 State Line Road
Elizabethton, TN 37643-4683
Snap-on Tools
2195 State Line Road
Elizabethton, TN 37643-4683
billymade
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Watch the video; how its made, Snap-on dual 80 ratchets!
chadster1
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Snap-on Dual 80 ratchets and their internal parts are made right here:
Snap-on Tools
2195 State Line Road
Elizabethton, TN 37643-4683
Looks like that plant is going to get even bigger.
http://www.starhq.com/2012/01/24/snap-on-plant-expansion-to-add-new-jobs-to-countys-workforce
moronmountain
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Doesn't show them "making" the pawls though, now does it?
I could care less if the pawls are made overseas. I like made is USA stamps, but wutever. It's been talked about too much on here.Tnsejed420
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Holy Sh*t. I'm a new guy and I've already seen about 10 of these posts.
So it got me to thinking. My dealer has been driving a SO truck for most of his life. So I asked him. He was pissed enough to call corporate.
The story from him goes that the execs decided to pull the USA brand marking because Snap-on is a 'global company'. Not because the stuff is being produced overseas etc.. Its more of a marketing thing.
For example. If you want a damn good ratchet because you are assembling parts for the Natanz Nuclear power plant you would never want to use a snap-on ratchet simply because when the JDAM hits you don't want to have to stare at the USA stamp on the ratchet in your hand when you die.
Example may be a bit extreme but the explanation is what my dealer received from corporate.
So it got me to thinking. My dealer has been driving a SO truck for most of his life. So I asked him. He was pissed enough to call corporate.
The story from him goes that the execs decided to pull the USA brand marking because Snap-on is a 'global company'. Not because the stuff is being produced overseas etc.. Its more of a marketing thing.
For example. If you want a damn good ratchet because you are assembling parts for the Natanz Nuclear power plant you would never want to use a snap-on ratchet simply because when the JDAM hits you don't want to have to stare at the USA stamp on the ratchet in your hand when you die.
Example may be a bit extreme but the explanation is what my dealer received from corporate.
mrshaun
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http://www.starhq.com/2012/01/24/snap-on-plant-expansion-to-add-new-jobs-to-countys-workforce
Snap-on dual 80 ratchets are made in Snap-on’s Elizabethton TN plant. We also make wrenches there, pry bars, punches and chisels there.....
Snap-on dual 80 ratchets are made in Snap-on’s Elizabethton TN plant. We also make wrenches there, pry bars, punches and chisels there.....
humpdawg
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Some like a stamp.
The rest like a damned good sombitchin tool.
Snap On's are better than any usa stamped ratchets I see around.
Dual 80s are perfect IMO. Smooth action and a direction lever that never lets me down. 2 things that other brands overlook.
The rest like a damned good sombitchin tool.
Snap On's are better than any usa stamped ratchets I see around.
Dual 80s are perfect IMO. Smooth action and a direction lever that never lets me down. 2 things that other brands overlook.
jjjrmx5
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Doesn't show them "making" the pawls though, now does it?
They're probably made a little farther south just down the road at the "Elizabethton Group Home".
Under the cover of darkness.
In the basement.
By toddlers.
Really. Smart. Toddlers.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
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GoBlue
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I am making a promise right now to never post in a Snap on COO debate thread again. Why feed the monster? While im at it, no more Craftsman coo posts, or dahner offshoring posts.
Didnt somebody point out a while back how similar the guts to the Dual 80 are to Snapons Ratcheting box wrenches, which are sourced from Italy (I think)
the ratchets are surely assembled in USA but they have something inside them from somewhere else, so they legally cant stamp USA on them. I like the ratchets I have a few, I dont care really
the ratchets are surely assembled in USA but they have something inside them from somewhere else, so they legally cant stamp USA on them. I like the ratchets I have a few, I dont care really
well, they can't be labeled/listed as made in the USA, as they are (And I've called Snapon and they told me they were entirely made in the USA of US derived steel)... if they were made of foreign components. They'd have to the be listed as "Assembled in USA" there are strict FTC guidelines on this.
moronmountain
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They're probably made a little farther south just down the road at the "Elizabethton Group Home".
Under the cover of darkness.
In the basement.
By toddlers.
Really. Smart. Toddlers.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Hehe, now that's funny.
powertrip
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I think that person pointed out how the bahco guts were the same as the snapon dual 80 guts when he compared them side by side. The bahco (own by snapon) ratchets were marked made in spain. Thats what i read not my words. I believe the thread this was in was titled bahco ratchet.
mrshaun
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many of bahco's tools are made here is snap on's US plants and shipped over to europe for distribution....
