No wonder Sears is in trouble!

[AlchemyMetalworks]

The warranty is bundled with the item. It is not separable. You get no discount for waiving the warranty.

+1 Maybe they'll start making us keep receipts like everywhere else with similar warrantees.

Guess I'm a 1%er too.

If you really look at the warrantee:

"If for any reason your Craftsman hand tool ever fails to provide complete satisfaction, ...

In this situation the owner bought the tool like that so it didn't fail him at all. I take this warrantee to mean you are using the tool and it breaks NOT you scrounge around to find failed tools so you can take advantage of a good warrantee.

I don't think people really have too much of an issue with you buying them for pennies, and exchanging them to use them. They just have a problem with you profiting off of Sears corporate and by extension us customers backs while Sears takes one in the shorts instead of Sears actually making the profit.

Logically, it's not as if the tool failed to provide satisfaction - they were lost in a fire. The tool did not fail.

Fortunately for Sears, only a few select people stoop to your level.

Personally, I'm annoyed by anyone that frequents yardsales and estate sales just for the purpose of marking the stuff up and reselling it.

There are plenty of people who take advantage of these sales because they intend to use the stuff. Not to mention the people that go to the sales because they simply can't afford new stuff.

However, I tolerate that because it's the basis of a capitalist society. This, I just can't agree with.

Capitalism has no morals...this is why you had events like Love Canal. That is why there are laws...to protect you from people/companies making a profit at ANY costs.

Also, why is it acceptable for one of YOU to "profit" from a screaming deal (self-centered) but unacceptable for somebody else to PROFIT from a screaming deal (selfish)?

So as long as he "uses" his cheaply-bought, warranteed and replaced tools...he is good to go? But God forbid if he sells them for a profit, for someone else to use or "use"...only SEARS is allowed to make an exorbitant profit!

Also, why is it acceptable for a CORPORATION to make a profit, but not an individual? I wasn't aware there was any law, rule, more, value, what-have-you that made it a God-given RIGHT for ANY company/individual to make a profit.

All you "1%'ers" are hypocrites...morally and actually. You have slave mentalities ingrained into you by your corporate masters. You just want to drag this individual down with you into your misery-laden existence and force him to engage in the same slavish mentality and behaviors.

He played the game according to the rules established by the COMPANY itself...who are YOU to tell anybody what's right or wrong? You choose to intentionally handicap yourself, that's your choice and your right. He has no obligation to engage in such folly.

Capitalism is the practice of RISKING captial for the OPPORTUNITY of making a profit. Risk...got that? SEARS takes a RISK with their warranty. Same as the OP by purchasing these goods at an estate sale. SEARS has an OPPORTUNITY to make a profit (not EARN it, MAKE it)...not a guarantee. Same for the OP when he exploits SEARS self-admitted warranty loophole.

Seems to me that you fellas just don't like entrepreneurs, but LoooooVE a corporate behemoth. Wall Street has no morals...stop pretending that worshipping at the feet of these "golden idols" somehow bestows YOU with some.

 

[Toolhorder]

Sears is in trouble as the generations that grew up with fathers who passed down the Craftsman name are dying out and Craftsman inconsistent quality is losing people’s trust. They didn’t make a clear line in quality between Craftsman and Craftsman pro. You used to get Craftsman or their lessor brand such as Sears, Dunlap or Companion. With having constant sales people expect to get a deal and they have become the discount tool company and now we have the Asian route.

Many years ago I bought a bag of Craftsman sockets at an estate and turned them in for new and tried to sell them on eBay, no one bid with starting at what I had into them. I donated them to the Goodwill. I haven’t been to an estate sale since. I look at the ads occasionally but all I see now are a table of rusted tools.

Ha ha, Same here. I got 200 C-man sockets that are doubles and triples from buying used toolboxes and various stuff over the last couple years and I couldn't sell them to anyone unless it was for 10 cents on the dollar or something. C-man stuff is too cheap to start out with. Nobody wants it that's professional around here. It's a laughed at brand in most shops. I spent several hours going through mine today to donate to my younger brother who wants to turn wrenches for a living and is getting into school for it. Hopefully he'll use the stuff until he can afford better.

 

[route246]

I'm trying to figure out wtf difference it makes if a buyer at a garage sale makes the swap or the original owner. It doesn't make a difference. From a branding standpoint, Craftsman has to honor the commitment and it profits nicely from this. As someone said, it doesn't cost Sears anything except a little transaction overhead, they just credit it back to the supplier.

In all seriousness, this passes your sniff test? I mean honestly. You find nothing immoral about doing what you do?

 

[bamackc]

Capitalism has no morals

But people do, it's the best system.

It's not perfect but we can only keep trying.

 

[Trucky]

All you "1%'ers" are hypocrites...morally and actually. You have slave mentalities ingrained into you by your corporate masters. You just want to drag this individual down with you into your misery-laden existence and force him to engage in the same slavish mentality and behaviors.

Well that's rather nice of you to point out. Talk about hypocrites, eh?

Might want to take a step back there for a minute.

All I have to say is that those folks buying up tools (In bucketloads!) just to return them in my eyes are complete pricks. That's MY OPINION. I do not care that it's alright with the rules, the warranty, etc. Or that the company in question assumes that's going to happen anyways. Me, myself, and I all think that those people are being selfish, and not in any good way. And that's just me. So if you don't care for that opinion, who cares? If you don't care about mine, that's just dandy. Just ignore it, and I'll go on with my day.

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

Well that's rather nice of you to point out. Talk about hypocrites, eh?

Might want to take a step back there for a minute.

Point out my hypocrisy. Simply slapping a label on someone doesn't make it so. At least I took the time to point out THEIR hypocrisy.

Maybe it's you who needs to step back there for a minute?

 

[bamackc]

I'm trying to figure out wtf difference it makes if a buyer at a garage sale makes the swap or the original owner. It doesn't make a difference. From a branding standpoint, Craftsman has to honor the commitment and it profits nicely from this. As someone said, it doesn't cost Sears anything except a little transaction overhead, they just credit it back to the supplier.

The word honor comes to my mind. I hold that word dear, if you don't thats not my concern.

Whats sad is people let Sears have more honor that them selfs.

Taking advantage of anothers honor is very sad indeed.

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

But people do, it's the best system.

It's not perfect but we can only keep trying.

Soooo...people with morals and scruples somehow make up for the lack of them in corporate interests, how?

It's ok to trade your time for money to buy goods from a CORPORATION that has all kinds of tricks, gimmicks, rules and manipulations up it's sleeve in order to make it's money...but it's not ok to buy goods from a PERSON that outsmarted that corporation?

He didn't steal them. He purchased them legally, then exploited the loophole in the warranty established by the store that initially profited from the purchase, in order to then sell them himself. That's SMART...it's called arbitrage. Look up the word...goes hand in hand with capitalism.

 

[Wrenches of Death]

Also, why is it acceptable for one of YOU to "profit" from a screaming deal (self-centered) but unacceptable for somebody else to PROFIT from a screaming deal (selfish)?

It is written that as we creep ever closer, day by day, to the end times and the coming cannibal apocalypse, we will see more and more acts of sheer financial desperation among the masses.

WoD

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

The word honor comes to my mind. I hold that word dear, if you don't thats not my concern.

Whats sad is people let Sears have more honor that them selfs.

Taking advantage of anothers honor is very sad indeed.

So people should have honor...but your corporate masters need none?

How many companies have pissed all over previous standing warranties? What's even funnier about your "moral outrage" is that you are neglecting the obvious...corporations are staffed by PEOPLE.

You know...those critters that supposedly have morals, values, honor, integrity, yada yada yada

 

[bamackc]

Soooo...people with morals and scruples somehow make up for the lack of them in corporate interests, how?

It's ok to trade your time for money to buy goods from a CORPORATION that has all kinds of tricks, gimmicks, rules and manipulations up it's sleeve in order to make it's money...but it's not ok to buy goods from a PERSON that outsmarted that corporation?

He didn't steal them. He purchased them legally, then exploited the loophole in the warranty established by the store that initially profited from the purchase, in order to then sell them himself. That's SMART...it's called arbitrage. Look up the word...goes hand in hand with capitalism.

tl:dr

Your thinking to hard (i think) just go with the flow

 

[nate379]

Maybe so but you can pay $90 for the similar thing through Snap On and then have to deal with a dealer no wanting to warranty it.

Yes it's wrong. Nothing they (Sears) can do about it though. That is the warranty they made. In reality it just drives the prices up for each of us, and why it costs $30 for a crappy 1/2" plastic switch ratchet from Sears which in reality is probably about a $15 (at most) ratchet. Just like insurance fraud, it hurts the honest majority, but nothin' you can do about it.

Hell whenever I warranty something I end up buying more stuff anyway, it's a kinda smart policy.

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

tl:dr

Your thinking to hard (i think) just go with the flow

Nope...just THINKING. If it's hard, I suggest actually TRYING it some time.

You fellas denouncing the OP are no better than those stone-throwers that Jesus admonished. That's the kind of flow YOU want to be associated with? Fine by me. I'm cool with walking the LOGICAL, RATIONAL path...not the me-too, power-in-numbers path.

 

[bamackc]

So people should have honor...but your corporate masters need none?

I hold what my father always told me close to my heart. "you worry about yourself and no one else"

No matter what our corporate masters do, I'll do what I'll do and me and my family will be alright.

 

[Trucky]

Point out my hypocrisy. Simply slapping a label on someone doesn't make it so. At least I took the time to point out THEIR hypocrisy.

Maybe it's you who needs to step back there for a minute?

I'll make this plain and simple for you, and waste a bit of time as well.

You know nothing about them. Know is the word. The only thing you "think" you know, is that THEY have no appreciation for people who choose to engage in the tactics discussed in this thread (Buying in bulk, reselling, etc.). They think it's morally wrong. As do I, but that's beside the point.

Yet, they apparently all have "misery-laden" lives and are slaves to the companies.

You assume things. A lot, by what you're throwing into their faces. It's not very nice of you, by the way. Nothing to do with hypocrisy, just you being so very rational, and logical, as you like to see.

I'm not outside of the hypocrite deal, by the way. I am one, rather plainly. However, these people you claim are hypocrites are not, by what they've said. As long as they believe that what the others do is wrong, and they themselves abstain from doing that, it's not hypocisy. You only see it that way because you disagree with what they're saying. If they honor their words, then they aren't hypocrites, however that's neither your or my job to prove that.

As far as you being a hypocrite, I'll leave that to you to see, I feel like I've wasted enough on this already. Go ahead, throw a "AHA! You have no proof!" into it. I'll be watching ESPN.

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

I hold what my father always told me close to my heart. "you worry about yourself and no one else"

No matter what our corporate masters do, I'll do what I'll do and me and my family will be alright.

And that my friends is the classic definition of HYPOCRISY... ^^^^^^^

Then I suggest you start doing that...STFU and stop denigrating the OP. Guess that means not opining aloud about other people's ways...right? Cuz otherwise, you ARE worrying about someone else.

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

I'll make this plain and simple for you, and waste a bit of time as well.

You know nothing about them. Know is the word. The only thing you "think" you know, is that THEY have no appreciation for people who choose to engage in the tactics discussed in this thread (Buying in bulk, reselling, etc.). They think it's morally wrong. As do I, but that's beside the point.

Yet, they apparently all have "misery-laden" lives and are slaves to the companies.

You assume things. A lot, by what you're throwing into their faces. It's not very nice of you, by the way. Nothing to do with hypocrisy, just you being so very rational, and logical, as you like to see.

I'm not outside of the hypocrite deal, by the way. I am one, rather plainly. However, these people you claim are hypocrites are not, by what they've said. As long as they believe that what the others do is wrong, and they themselves abstain from doing that, it's not hypocisy. You only see it that way because you disagree with what they're saying. If they honor their words, then they aren't hypocrites, however that's neither your or my job to prove that.

As far as you being a hypocrite, I'll leave that to you to see, I feel like I've wasted enough on this already. Go ahead, throw a "AHA! You have no proof!" into it. I'll be watching ESPN.

Reading comprehension isn't a strong point for you, is it?

RE-read my post. THEIR hypocrisy is thinking that only THEY have the right to screaming deals to satisfy their greedy little selves...the OP simply goes "too far" in their book because he then SELLS the freshly swapped goods. They are only mad because THEY aren't being offered a screaming deal...they are offended that HE wants to make a profit.

I KNOW that because they SAID that. Funny how logic and reasoning works, eh?

Whether the profit is goods or money, it's still profit. And thus...hypocrisy

They must be miserable if they are willing to try to force their morals on the OP while enforcing their "right" to CHEAP, USED goods for their own personal benefit...and try to guilt the OP out of making a sale that might possibly put food on his table and a roof over his head. Only miserable folks would want somebody to go without so that they can go WITH.

 

[Trucky]

Alright bud. One more time around the bases.

They aren't happy with the situation. Buying and reselling. They don't give half a rats *** about "screaming deals". The care about what they believe to be an abuse of the system to gain a profit. They DO NOT CARE if they get one. They do care however, that other people are using that to their advantage over those who think it's wrong (The people you quoted).
All they "think" is that the people who do that are morally wrong. They are not saying it's wrong according to the rules. Not at all.

Greed is a non-factor here. The one guy who talked about corporate getting screwed out of money. He's not being greedy. He just wants to pay less. Call that being selfish, if you must. We ALL want to pay less. He "cares" about the companies well being because it directly affects him by way of prices. However, don't mistake that for greed. He doesn't want a screaming deal. He doesn't want to pay more than is necessary.

And that my friend, is not hypocrisy.

I'm not the one with comprehension problems. Go ahead, throw a few more big words in there. I'll be waiting.

 

[garfunkle24]

^^^Classy

 

[Toolhorder]

Nope...just THINKING. If it's hard, I suggest actually TRYING it some time.

You fellas denouncing the OP are no better than those stone-throwers that Jesus admonished. That's the kind of flow YOU want to be associated with? Fine by me. I'm cool with walking the LOGICAL, RATIONAL path...not the me-too, power-in-numbers path.

I'm just calling it how I see it, I personally don't care if people agree or not and I'm not saying by denouncing the OP I'm not without faults of my own.
Probably shouldn't bring up religion it's against the rules.

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

Alright bud. One more time around the bases.

They aren't happy with the situation. Buying and reselling. They don't give half a rats *** about "screaming deals". ********...do you even read half the threads on the GJ? Tool-gloat to the maximum. The care about what they believe to be an abuse of the system to gain a profit. It's not an ABUSE if it's ALLOWED! Perception vs. Reality They DO NOT CARE if they get one. ********...otherwise they wouldn't be crying foul so loudly...no one is FORCING them to continue supporting SEARS, thus supporting the "flawed" warranty for Craftsman tools. They do care however, that other people are using that to their advantage over those who think it's wrong (The people you quoted).
All they "think" is that the people who do that are morally wrong. They are not saying it's wrong according to the rules. Not at all. There ARE no morals in CAPITALISM. By definition, there can be none...risk money to make money. Pretty ******' simple. It's like trying to pin morals on a dog or an orange or a truck. Does not belong. The OP has just as much RIGHT to try to make a profit as SEARS...stuff what the "moral police" say.

Greed is a non-factor here. The one guy who talked about corporate getting screwed out of money. He's not being greedy. He just wants to pay less. Call that being selfish, if you must. We ALL want to pay less. He "cares" about the companies well being because it directly affects him by way of prices. However, don't mistake that for greed. He doesn't want a screaming deal. He doesn't want to pay more than is necessary. If he thinks that potentially denying the OP an opportunity to practice capitalism via public shaming, while supporting SEARS capitalism is gonna save him money...it IS greed. He wants MORE for HIS money, and LESS money for the OP...thus HE wins, OP loses. Man, this is not rocket science...this is SOCIAL science

And that my friend, is not hypocrisy. Wrong-O, friend-O...

I'm not the one with comprehension problems. Go ahead, throw a few more big words in there. I'll be waiting.

You keep maintaining the status-quo and supporting the moral flamers, I'll keep defending REAL capitalism (entrepreneurship) and the underdog.

 

[Trucky]

Too late, *******. Hope you feel great in the morning.

I'll send over a bottle of Advil just in case.

 

[garfunkle24]

Probably shouldn't bring up religion it's against the rules.

He had the important and relevant words capitalized anyway

 

[Toolhorder]

He had the important and relevant words capitalized anyway

I'm not against religion BTW...

 

[garfunkle24]

underdog.

Underdog. Lol. Most guys doing this that I know are fairly well off from applying these kind of "practices" to other areas of their lives, whether it be insurance claims, welfare.........

 

[not-required]

Wow.......

 

[garfunkle24]

I'm not against religion BTW...

Didn't assume you were, but I am. Just a little teasing to the dude you quoted.

 

[Trucky]

You keep maintaining the status-quo and supporting the moral flamers, I'll keep defending REAL capitalism (entrepreneurship) and the underdog.

Do you even know how many things you're making up in your head to "allow" your idea to seem logical?

Actually, scrap that. I'm waving the white flag. This is going about as well as convincing the entire USA to switch to metric-only, and it's not worth the effort. Take your victory and walk. Preferably somewhere else.

tldr; You think they're being greedy, I don't care, I think it's wrong, Apparently we're all greedy, capitalism, blah blah, I don't like people, etc.

I hope I never move somewhere with people like you.

Good night

 

[Toolhorder]

Didn't assume you were, but I am. Just a little teasing to the dude you quoted.

it's cool I figured.
This whole thread de-railed oh well. Time to move on it should be locking shorty...

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

Do you even know how many things you're making up in your head to "allow" your idea to seem logical?

Actually, scrap that. I'm waving the white flag. This is going about as well as convincing the entire USA to switch to metric-only, and it's not worth the effort. Take your victory and walk. Preferably somewhere else.

tldr; You think they're being greedy, I don't care, I think it's wrong, Apparently we're all greedy, capitalism, blah blah, I don't like people, etc.

I hope I never move somewhere with people like you.

Good night

Yes...I'm "making" things up in my head...like MORALS, right? LMFAO!
Morals are made-up. Reality is not. Mmmmkay pumpkin?

I can construct an argument and validate it's point. I don't need to bring up non-entities like "morals" or "values" in order to justify why what I'm saying is right...all you have to do is follow the bouncing ball

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

Underdog. Lol. Most guys doing this that I know are fairly well off from applying these kind of "practices" to other areas of their lives, whether it be insurance claims, welfare.........

The OP is the underdog in THIS thread

Good for them. Anybody who plays the game by the established rules (or against them) and wins, is obviously doing something right. May not be what we all do, or even what we all want to do...but they are playing the game right. BECAUSE THEY PLAY BY THE RULES, WITH THE RULES, OR THROUGH THE RULES. And aren't rules what matter? After all, what else are warranties...or morals? Just a bunch of ******* rules. "My rules are better than yours..." seems to be the general thrust of this thread by all the attackers.

Something to be said for playing a game well, right? Sportsmanship and all that...seems to be quite a few spoil-sports on this board tonight

 

[garfunkle24]

The OP is the underdog in THIS thread

Good for them. Anybody who plays the game by the established rules (or against them) and wins, is obviously doing something right. May not be what we all do, or even what we all want to do...but they are playing the game right.

Something to be said for playing a game well, right? Sportsmanship and all that...seems to be quite a few spoil-sports on this board tonight

But you're talking about playing to win only, personally, no sportsmanship involved.

Are people "winning" at life because they do well financially? All those Wall Street bankers must be real "winners", right?

 

[Trucky]

Yes...I'm "making" things up in my head...like MORALS, right? LMFAO!
Morals are made-up. Reality is not. Mmmmkay pumpkin?

I can construct an argument and validate it's point. I don't need to bring up non-entities like "morals" or "values" in order to justify why what I'm saying is right...all you have to do is follow the bouncing ball

Boy, you sure know how to stroke your ego. Non-entities is all that was said in all of their posts, yet somehow you magically "extract" (Imagine) all of these apparent "entities" which you're assuming anyways.

Get off your high horse. I've dealt with enough of your type to know it will never happen, but know that we're all laughing at you down here, in the "people with morals zone".

 

[Printer Mike]

Have some rusty Craftsman screwdrivers. As long as they work, I'm happy.

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

But you're talking about playing to win only, personally, no sportsmanship involved.

Are people "winning" at life because they do well financially? All those Wall Street bankers must be real "winners", right?

The units of your life are monetized...paid by the hour, or salaried for the year...40hrs/wk or more, 50+ wks/yr.

The necessities of life are commoditized...for sale at any price...to be paid for with the monetized units of your life that YOU sold.

So, in the REAL world...I'd have to say that those Wall-Streeters are playing the game VERY well

I don't envy them, I don't want to be them...but then again, they aren't struggling and I am. I promise you that none of them want to swap lives with ME.

 

[garfunkle24]

What about if I bust my *** and do very well (or aspire to) without doing unscrupulous things? That would seem a win-win, no? Surely I'd always be doing "better" than my financially equal "shady" counterpart?

 

[Wrenches of Death]

it's cool I figured.
This whole thread de-railed oh well.

Really? Which part?

WoD

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

Boy, you sure know how to stroke your ego. Non-entities is all that was said in all of their posts, yet somehow you magically "extract" (Imagine) all of these apparent "entities" which you're assuming anyways.

Get off your high horse. I've dealt with enough of your type to know it will never happen, but know that we're all laughing at you down here, in the "people with morals zone".

Well you can have your "morals"...and Jesus can have you too. Because obviously you need a good dose of what those morals are supposed to mean, Mr. Glasshouse.

As for me, I'm very happy living here in the hypocrite-free zone. Here, we don't need to make **** up in order to "prove" our point. We don't throw "morals" around in order to show that we're better, then conveniently ignore those "morals" when it comes to actually acknowledging that people with "morals" don't JUDGE others.

 

[AlchemyMetalworks]

What about if I bust my *** and do very well (or aspire to) without doing unscrupulous things? That would seem a win-win, no? Surely I'd always be doing "better" than my financially equal "shady" counterpart?

But there is nothing unscrupulous about playing by the rules of the game according to the book of SEARS

Whether you agree with what the OP did or not, he was NOT unscrupulous. In fact, he showed a big, brass pair by admitting that the "original suspect" was in fact HIMSELF.

As for you...if you find some personal value in busting your ***, then yes. After all, I don't have to live your life and you don't live mine. I choose not to interact with "moral" freaks, scammers, liars, Jehovah's Witnesses, pimps, drug dealers, prostitutes, used-car salesman, etc...but who am I to say they are wrong and I am right?

I can only do what's right for me, and try my best not to do wrong by others. Forcing our own personal moral code on others is wrong by virtue of the principle of morals.

 

[Wrenches of Death]

The units of your life are monetized..

The necessities of life are commoditized...

I never really thought of it that way, but you've pretty much summed it all up in a simple, easy to understand, straight forward fashion.

Seriously.

WoD