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Made it back so here's an update from my adventure at the salt flats.

First a brief overview and it's relevance to the Restored 1930's Auto Shop for those who might have forgotten by now and to those who know this by heart, please forgive the repetition.

While cleaning out the shop in 2007-8 among all the material I found was an old "speed piece" made by Al Jerauld in 1938. It was a "Y" manifold that would allow 2 carburetors to be mounted onto a Flat Head V8 engine for increased performance. Al use to race a Belly Tanker on the Bonneville Salt Flats in the late 1940's and 50's and set some land speed records with it. I have an old Bonneville racer friend, Lou Bingham, who took a look at the "Y" manifold for me and it turns out he was racing in Bonneville at that same time as Al and knew about him and his Belly Tanker or Lakester as some call them. Flash forward a few months after this, I was contacted by Randy Chenowth who saw pictures of this "Y" manifold and eventually put me touch with the stepson of Al Jerauld, Jacob Bagnell. The result of Jacob gaining ownership of the "Y" manifold was his desire to seek out his stepdad's old Belly Tanker. That search led him to a gentleman by the name of Fred Lobello:

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This is a copy of an article about Fred and his current car that was in this years 63rd annual Bonneville SpeedWeek program.

To follow up on Jacob, Randy and Fred's meeting see the following thread:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112320

Lou and I decided last year to drive out together to Bonneville this year and it turns out Jacob and Randy were both there with Fred's current Belly Tanker. And that my friends, pretty well sizes up how this saga is interwoven, give or take and how it relates to my shop. :headscrat I hope you were taking notes.

So here's what happen from my prospective.

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Here's Lou's rig by the barn which we drove over 1,600 miles to the salt flats. Along the way we hooked up with Bill Brutsman...

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...who drove this '27 roadster over 1,000 miles, caravanning with us. Bill raced this car at Bonneville last year. For this trip he made all the convertible top mechanism and bows from scratch and then covered the whole thing with tan colored duct tape! Very impressive and mostly water tight it turns out. You might note the lack of windshield wipers, but a little Rain X on the glass took care of that.

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23+ hours later we're at "Bend in the Road" camp site, just outside the entrance to the Salt Flats. No one is allowed to overnight on the salt. That's Bill's tent pitched next to our "palace" as he called it. :)

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One of the first things Lou did was nail this floor mat to the ground outside our steps. He used old can lids and 16 penny nails. He's experienced some pretty strong winds out there and wanted this to stay put. :eek:

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Here's Bill doing a little "in the field" brake repair on his car at the camp site. That's not snow on top of his rear fenders or hood, but salt.

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Salt gets EVERYWHERE so Lou and I covered his truck and trailer carpet with clear plastic that has adhesive on the back of it before we ventured out onto the salt. We also used "salt shoes" that were never allowed into the trailer to minimize tracking it in. Did I mention it gets EVERYWHERE?? :(

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Here you can see salt build up in the wheel well, rocker panel and on the front of the truck body.

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To prep the salt on the race courses and in the pits a "salt sled" was towed behind this truck to even the salt out and flatten it. But enough of that, what about Jacob, Randy and Fred's Belly Tanker or Lakester??

First a little simple background information on the term "Belly Taker" for those not familiar. These were teardrop shaped fuel tanks that were attached to the bottom of WWII fighter aircraft to give them more fuel and thus extend the range at which they could fly. After the war there were lots of these surplus aircraft belly tanks and they were cheap to buy. Some enterprising soul looked at these tanks and decided to build a car around one, since the body work was already largely done. Because early on these cars primarily ran at dry lake race courses they became known as "Lakesters".

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Here is a fiberglass reproduction of a belly tank. (the originals were made of steel) From this tank came a...

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...a car. Lockheed P38 Lighting tanks were the most widely used and I believe that is what this one is.

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You simply made a chassis that would fit the size tank you had.

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Put an engine in it and off to Bonneville you go!

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You can see how sleek they are from the front...

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...and rear.

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A little tight inside but still manageable. This was a vintage tanker that was never completed and now is battery powered, tooling around the pits. Belongs to someone in the Bean Bandits Club I believe. Very cool. :thumbup:

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Here's a running tanker, Old Crow.

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The origins of the tank clearly show, including the seam around the top and bottom halves.

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Rear view.

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That's the tow bar hooked to the front axel.

So here's Fred's car arriving at the San Diego Roadster Club pits...

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...that's Jacob on the left in black and Randy on the right in white and the tanker in the middle. Getting ready to fulfill their quest of running a Belly Tanker at Bonneville, much as Jacobs stepfather, Al Jerauld had more than half a century earlier.

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Getting the pits organized. That's Fred in the wheel chair, age 89, directing the crew.

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Towing out to tech which they passed first time through. A huge tribute to Jacob, Randy and the rest of the crew. Testament to the 6 months of thrashing before hand and the skill and patience of all concerned. Here you can see the cycle fenders on the rear wheels which would allow them to run in a streamliner class. The wheels needed to be covered 120 degrees and Fred had a cardboard templet ready to show the tech inspectors they complied with that spec.

Stay tune for more on Bonneville-2011.

Thomas
 
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Tom here a pic for you two weeks ago we went to martin mich (us131 ) track hook good and we won the race.

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Way to go Vernmotor! Really great action picture too. Clearly you've got your suspension sorted out to take advantage of the track. The little Chevy II just can't do that on bias ply tires. :eek: Martin has always hooked well for us. Any pictures during the trophy presentation kissing the race queen? :D



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Hello Thomas !

Please excuse my sidetracking here ; has any one noticed a certain TOOLBOX in one of those awesome photos ? !

Thomas GREAT photos. THANKS !!

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Tom, on your finish techniques. I do violins and in my process, I start cutting down the finish imperfections with 0000 SW. About the 3d coat I switch to wet sanding with 400 then 600 balck paper. After about 3 coats, I switch to pumice and rotten stone in a French polish technique. The finished product is like poured glass but invisible.

Sadly, a competitor (actually I'm not too much into that competition) showed me some airbrush work out of the gun that almost looked as good. Not nearly as durable though, I think. And not nearly as much fun.

But I doubt that you will want to take the BB cabinets to that extreme (hehe, planted a little bug, did I?).

Scotchbrite pads; cost more and leaves its own detritus behind that has to be tacked. Maybe I'm just old and set in my ways but I prefer SW.

Dave.

Hello Dave. I'm always open to new ideas but tend to fall back on the tried and true. That's why I used SW to begin with but I'm willing to experiment with different materials. Your observations on Scotchbrite are interesting and not too surprising. There is no magic bullet is there? Different techniques with a personal preference for each I guess.

As for the extent I'll go to in finishing the BB, I doubt that it warrants a near French Polish (though it would look outstanding wouldn't it??). You do that and you'd be afraid to rebuild a Muncie 4 speed on top of it! :eek:

Many thanks for your input and interest. Hope to complete the project shortly and put it to use! Stay tuned.

Thomas
 

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Great photos! The Old Crow Speed Shop lakester is an interesting car - it was actually built just a few years ago, from a belly tank the owner found in a salvage yard. There was a good article about it in The Rodder's Journal a while back.
 

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Here you go Tom. As you remember My daughter Drives the car. So she gets a good looking guy to give the award LOL

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Here is a nice clean pic of the car sitting there.

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Thank you... thanks to tom I got to go out check out these salt flat now LOL that look way cool..But I not sure I could handle the mess of the salt ?
 

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Glad I checked in this morning. Notifications didn't come so I figured I'd check things out. Looks like you've been having some fun on the salt for sure.
 
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Hello Thomas !

Please excuse my sidetracking here ; has any one noticed a certain TOOLBOX in one of those awesome photos ? !

Thomas GREAT photos. THANKS !!

Craig

Hey, sharp eyes there Craig. I hadn't even noticed that box till you mentioned it. I didn't see any Snap On service trucks however. I've got several more ( well, really a bunch more) relevant pictures that I'll post once I sort them out. Some of the pit facilities were eye popping.

Joe, there were TOOLS galore out there on the salt. You would have been in 7th heaven! :D

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Great photos! The Old Crow Speed Shop lakester is an interesting car - it was actually built just a few years ago, from a belly tank the owner found in a salvage yard. There was a good article about it in The Rodder's Journal a while back.

Thanks Stuart. There were several cars that had "applied" patina on them like Old Crow. At first blush they just look really convincing but after a while, once you see so many, you start to pick up on little techniques most of them use. Still they look terrific.

Old Crow was running in Blown Gas Lakester- BGL- which is in the 160ish MPH range I believe. That's running smartly down the salt a few inches above it. :)

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Here you go Tom. As you remember My daughter Drives the car. So she gets a good looking guy to give the award LOL

She's a very talented young lady I see. We have a few young gals racing Pure Stock and I always hate lining up against them. As a group they seem to be pretty quick off the line with good reaction times.

Nothing finer than racing with your kids is there? Congratulations all around. :thumbup:

Super nice Dodge BTW, thanks for posting it.

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I totally agree on the tool box! Looks like something that would fit just right in the restored shop. It also matches up with the belly tanker story.

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Aw CRTDI, very, very, very nice. Wonder if any of the guys running tankers out at the flats know about those "boxes". Art Deco at it's finest!

I also noticed the Wrench Bench in the catalog referred to as a DD. That DD proceeded my own BB by a few years. :D Great minds think alike? :headscrat

Thanks for the link.

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Yep, post #3522 certainly has good shots of one of the red vintage Blackhawk Torpedo Toolboxes (pictures 16 and 20 from the top of the post). There's one on ebay now with all the tools and accessories (for $750 it's in very good shape) and another (just a box) for $150. So cool! (nope, no late birthday present for Tom --- unless he wants it - it's in Portland, OR - maybe I could visit my niece and bring it home!?)

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Y MANIFOLD GANG
Hits the Bonneville Salt Flats

Jacob , Lou ,Thomas ,Randy, & The GJ T-SHIRT
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Lou , Jacob & Thomas
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San Diego Roadster Club setting up the pit stands
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Thomas was the first guy we saw when we hit the Salt Flats. He had that silly grin on his face all week. I think he needs to spend a week under a race car with salt in his eyes. If its good enough for me , Its good enough for him.

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I wish I could have spent more time with Lou & Thomas. They got to hang out & enjoy speedweek. They would drop by our pits when things were going not so good & brighten our day. Well Lou Bingham would brighten our day , Thomas just got in the way LOLOL. Every time I put a tool down , Thomas wanted to rebuild it & have it powder coated??????
Thanks guy , your the best
 
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FOR THE ANVIL ENTHUSIASTS OUT THERE..........

Check out the august 27th auction on
http://www.bidawad.com/

Hay Bodden NU fracturing anvil

I don't know exactly what that is, but I recall Hay Bodden from the earlier discussion. If this auctioneer was worth a hoot, he'd have some pics of that bad boy posted.

Unfortunately, I have a prior comittment on Saturday, so I won't be able to attend. :( Otherwise, I'd be pleased to report back.
 
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FOR THE ANVIL ENTHUSIASTS OUT THERE..........

Check out the august 27th auction on
http://www.bidawad.com/

Hay Bodden NU fracturing anvil

I don't know exactly what that is, but I recall Hay Bodden from the earlier discussion. If this auctioneer was worth a hoot, he'd have some pics of that bad boy posted.

Unfortunately, I have a prior comittment on Saturday, so I won't be able to attend. :( Otherwise, I'd be pleased to report back.

IMCA38 thanks for the auction link. Hay-Budden were considered one of -if not the best anvil made in the United States. If it's in any kind of good condition the new owner will have a nice piece of equipment. Hope someone from the Journal here gets it. :)

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This has been a fantastic thread. I have enjoyed reading and learning along with everyone else. I wish I had found it sooner so I didn't have to read 178 pages just to get up to speed. :Twitch:

Thomas, I have to say that donating the manifold was an incredible gesture and speaks volumes about your character and the type of man you are. :rocker:

I have a question though (I apologize if it was already asked and I missed it), but there was a couple of pictures posted in post 339 that shows a frame with a steering wheel attached. I was curious if this was early pictures of the Terraplane? If my perspective is correct it would be on the opposite side of the building than it is now.

Anyway, thank you for the journey.

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This has been a fantastic thread. I have enjoyed reading and learning along with everyone else. I wish I had found it sooner so I didn't have to read 178 pages just to get up to speed. :Twitch:

Thomas, I have to say that donating the manifold was an incredible gesture and speaks volumes about your character and the type of man you are. :rocker:

I have a question though (I apologize if it was already asked and I missed it), but there was a couple of pictures posted in post 339 that shows a frame with a steering wheel attached. I was curious if this was early pictures of the Terraplane? If my perspective is correct it would be on the opposite side of the building than it is now.

Anyway, thank you for the journey.

Russell

Russell
You have no idea what a great guy Thomas is. He comes off pretty good in this thread. But in person he is one of the nicest guy I have met in MANY years. I'm not saying that because I was the recipient of the Y manifold.
Even though we have only met face to face a few timed. I consider him a good friend. At Bonneville , He kept our spirits up when thing were going not so good. I wish we would have camp at the bend in the road with Thomas & Lou Bingham. It would have been even worth it to weather that sudden down pour & the mud just to hang out with them after the salt flats closed for the day.
Thomas , I'm glad that Y manifold brought us together.

Your buddy
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Randy,

It doesn't surprise me one bit. The friendships forged in this tread are a testament to the quality of people here within.

I'm almost sad to reach the end of the thread, as now I have to wait for the next chapter to be written.

Russell
 
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Hi Thomas & Chris, Rod here from the Central Coast of NSW Australia. I found this thread last week, have been reading through it & i am only up to page 55, i have jumped to page 176 to say hello & leave a comment before i get too old that i cant type any more. I was clean shaven when i started to read this thread, now i have a Ned Kelly beard, ( for those not familiar with Aussie history, Ned was a bush ranger from years gone by who had a beard about 10 inchs long,) my kids have suddenly grown & left home & i think i have a grandchild now. The missus says its find cause she only has to make 1 side of the bed in the mornings now.
Being a ex mechanic & now a truck driver for 20 odd years i have found this thread so informative. I pass so many old antique places when i go through old country towns, that now i,m going to stop & see what old *** bits i can pick up on travels. I will probably bring back more frieght than i started with. What you have done to the place is just unbealivable, it,s awsome.
I have recently sold my home & renting till i find the right house for us again, it has to have a big yard so i can build a nice size shed on it, problem is every time i see an idea that i like
on this journal the plans for the shed keeps getting bigger.
Anyway, keep up the great work, & thank you for allowing us down here to see a piece of American history. Have to go back to pg 55 & catch up where i left off, dont want to miss anything. Regards Rod.

Rod, sorry it took me so long to get back with you I've been out and about as it were. Of course then you might not see this till days later if you went back to read the thread in proper order. Thanks for taking the time to write and your kind words. It's nice to know you find my goings on here in a little town in the middle of the US interesting. No doubt something similar is going on right now in Australia and with your travels you might uncover it. If you do, let us know. ;)

Cheers, Thomas
 
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Thomas,

Just found this 1941 Walker Jack Catalog. It's interesting for me that the Big Boy as well as a lot of older floor jacks were available with optional rubber wheels.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1699327#post1699327

Once again CRTDI you've added immensely to the quality of this thread with your timely postings. Wow, that Walker Jack Catalog is flat awesome, hands down. Nice find and my thanks to you again for posting sections of it and linking it here on this thread. Lots of interesting information in there and I mean lots.

I am in your debt sir! :bowdown:

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Tom: Great pictures! Glad you had a good time. I'd like to get out there someday just to watch.
BigDaddyUSMC: Also great pictures!

Thank you BigAl. I have several hundred pictures from out there actually and once I'm home from flying I'll get a few more of the relevant ones on here. Some of the other more interesting ones I'll probably post on the Free Parking Forum so as to not bog this thread down. Thanks again for your kind words of encouragement. :)

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This has been a fantastic thread. I have enjoyed reading and learning along with everyone else. I wish I had found it sooner so I didn't have to read 178 pages just to get up to speed. :Twitch:

Thomas, I have to say that donating the manifold was an incredible gesture and speaks volumes about your character and the type of man you are. :rocker:

I have a question though (I apologize if it was already asked and I missed it), but there was a couple of pictures posted in post 339 that shows a frame with a steering wheel attached. I was curious if this was early pictures of the Terraplane? If my perspective is correct it would be on the opposite side of the building than it is now.

Anyway, thank you for the journey.



Russell

Hi Russell and a warm welcome to you. Your question about the car frame with attached steering wheel (pictures 2 and 3)...

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...is the first one asked here. No that frame is not the Terraplane (note the steering wheel is completely different). Then in the 4th picture...

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...the frame has been moved and is gone. I don't have information on it nor does my buddy. It came, it sat for a while and it went, presumably, to it's just reward. :dunno:

Thanks for the inquiry and as I mentioned to others, check back with us here, more is coming. :)

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I started reading this thread Monday and now I have reached the end. Very interesting read and I really feel I know Thomas and Chris personally after reading about the garage and restoration projects. I have one question, how soon will you be building your house on the property? After reading this and getting to "know" the two of you I have a mental image of the house I think you would build. I will be interested to see how accurate I am. One thing I am pretty sure of is that it will have a carport.
 

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I started reading this thread Monday and now I have reached the end. Very interesting read and I really feel I know Thomas and Chris personally after reading about the garage and restoration projects. I have one question, how soon will you be building your house on the property? After reading this and getting to "know" the two of you I have a mental image of the house I think you would build. I will be interested to see how accurate I am. One thing I am pretty sure of is that it will have a carport.

Welcome aboard Mac. I'm in Hillsboro but grew up in Ft Worth. Is the avitar pic your house? I think I partied there when I was much younger. Around TCU, right?:thumbup:
 
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Russell...

Even though we have only met face to face a few timed. I consider him a good friend. Thomas, I'm glad that Y manifold brought us together.

Your buddy
Randy Chenowth

That both you and Jacob are good friends have no doubt Randy. :thumbup: Consider we didn't even know each other at this time last year and then found ourselves together at Bonneville Speed Week invoking the Spirt of Al Jerauld with a belly tanker no less. Who would have guessed? :dunno:

Now for those who don't know, while talking with one of the San Diego Club members, word came that there are still parts of Al Jeraulds original belly tanker in existence!

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Apparently Nolan White only used parts of it for his car and then someone else got the rest. I put Jacob in touch with the gentleman who knew about the car and they exchanged information. Perhaps Randy, you can fill us in on what still remains of it and what it's status is? It seems this story continues to be written.......:D Standby everyone!

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Randy,

It doesn't surprise me one bit. The friendships forged in this tread are a testament to the quality of people here within.

I'm almost sad to reach the end of this thread, as now I have to wait for the next chapter to be written.

Russell

Russell you are so right about the quality of the people I've met through this thread. That has been a very nice extra bonus for me! Car guys herein (and a lady or two) just seem to be good, all around folks.

BTW, you haven't reached the end of the thread, just a lull in the action. My Sun distributor machine has been completely refurbished for one, and that information is forth coming including this link:


to a short YouTube video showing it in action. More specific information on it to follow, please check back.

Now I've been airborne for the last 10+ hours and I'm in need of a little sleep. :eyecrazy:

Thomas
 

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Welcome aboard Mac. I'm in Hillsboro but grew up in Ft Worth. Is the avitar pic your house? I think I partied there when I was much younger. Around TCU, right?:thumbup:

The avitar pic is my garage. I do live 2 miles from TCU and I am an alumni but the garage was built in 1999. Never have had a party in the garage.
 

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The avitar pic is my garage. I do live 2 miles from TCU and I am an alumni but the garage was built in 1999. Never have had a party in the garage.

I knew it. I didn't say we partied in the garage, we partied in the house a few times.:) That was in the 80's just out of high school.:beer: It was a nice place then and it looks like you made it even nicer now.:thumbup:
 

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Funny you should mention the Jerauld Chassis. I was at a local car show yesterday & Joel Jerauld ( Al Jeraulds son ) was there. I had ony met him once before with Jacob.
Joel Jerauld is following the Y Manifold story & is over joyed there is so much interest in his dads car & shop.

Haven't had much chance to talk to Jacob since Bonneville. So I don't know what up with the Jerauld Belly Tank 1/2 chassis. I'll call him tomorrow & see what up....

Here are some of our latest finds on Jerauld & the Belly Tank
2 vintage ads in Race Track Programs I saw on ebay. The bidding went to high for my wallet ,but the folks selling the programs were nice enough to send me scans of the Jerauld ad,
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Talk to you soon
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Here is a photo Joel Jerauld gave us of the belly Tank
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I think this photo was taken at Paradise Mesa Drag Strip??? in the early 1950's right after the tank was finished. I have a DVD that shows the Tank being run at Paradise Mesa drag strip & Bonneville, Al Teague sent it to me. I'll see if I can load it to my computed & post it ...
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Here is a photo Lou Bingham sent to me of another Jeraulds car..
Someone from the San Diego Roadster Club gave it to him years ago. We have NO INFO on the car , driver or years this photo was taken. Only thing we know for sure is it was taken at Paradise Mesa Drag Strip. This photo was taken by Bob Hardee. A San Diego LEDGED at the local race tracks as Official Track Photographer

The body work on this car reminds me of those fenders I hammed out in a hour for Fred Lobellos Tank for Bonneville this year, Ain't nothing smooth about them ... but they work...
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