Clausing Drill Press
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camarotoolman
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Killer score, belt dressing might help, or get a belt at NAPA.
chris fresh
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david, nice work! glad to see your back at it.i can't seem to leave mine alone either.but now i'm at a holding point until i get my paint tomorrow.
chris fresh
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yup! 70% chance here tomorrow,we shall see. and of course it's 76 and sunny here today.
larry4406
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Check e-bay, there is a spindle there now.
Can the shaft be knurled to effectively increase the diameter and reduce the bearing to inner race clearance? Ideally, the inner race is stationary to the spindle right?
Can the shaft be knurled to effectively increase the diameter and reduce the bearing to inner race clearance? Ideally, the inner race is stationary to the spindle right?
Outlawmws
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He mentioned .030, wear, so @ 15 thou a side, and a TIR needed under .001, I doubt knurling would do.
I've thought about trying to build the surface up myself but I don't think I could do so in a way that would not result in large runout. I don't have a metal lathe myself which drastically reduces the possibilities.
Thanks for the heads up on the ebay spindle. I've contacted the guy to see if he'd sell the spindle separately. Clausing quoted me $200 on a new spindle so his current price isn't that great of a savings. There's always the possibility I could try to resale the chuck and quill though but I'm not sure how big the market is on those. Maybe he'll respond with good news.
JASTECH
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David, your doing a nice job. I would like to buy a Clausing too, all I see cheap are "Local pick-up only" on fleabay for which are states away from me. I will follow your progress and cheer you on!
I made a little more progress tonight out in the cold weather.
I put a coat of paint on the base.
A coat of primer on the bottom of the table. I didn't clean it as thoroughly as I did the other pieces.
I also got a coat of paint on the head.
Lastly, I have a question about one of the broke parts on my drill press. In the picture below is a part that is pressed onto the motor shaft (from the left). The bottom of one of the pulleys is pressed on to the bottom (left) of the piece and held in place with a set screw. On the top (right) of the piece there is a key way that has been partially worn away. The other half of the pulley slides along the top (right) of the part and the key keeps the pulley from rotating on the part. My question is, can I have another key way cut into this part on the other side? The location of the set screw hole and keyway aren't connected in any way. I'd think that I could have another one cut and it'd be cheaper than buying the new part but wanted to check first.
Any thoughts?
Edit: The guy on ebay got back with me and said he doesn't have just the spindle to sell. Doh! I also stopped by a machine shop after work to see about repairing the spindle but "the guy" who could help me was already gone. I'm going to try again tomorrow.
I put a coat of paint on the base.
A coat of primer on the bottom of the table. I didn't clean it as thoroughly as I did the other pieces.
I also got a coat of paint on the head.
Lastly, I have a question about one of the broke parts on my drill press. In the picture below is a part that is pressed onto the motor shaft (from the left). The bottom of one of the pulleys is pressed on to the bottom (left) of the piece and held in place with a set screw. On the top (right) of the piece there is a key way that has been partially worn away. The other half of the pulley slides along the top (right) of the part and the key keeps the pulley from rotating on the part. My question is, can I have another key way cut into this part on the other side? The location of the set screw hole and keyway aren't connected in any way. I'd think that I could have another one cut and it'd be cheaper than buying the new part but wanted to check first.
Any thoughts?
Edit: The guy on ebay got back with me and said he doesn't have just the spindle to sell. Doh! I also stopped by a machine shop after work to see about repairing the spindle but "the guy" who could help me was already gone. I'm going to try again tomorrow.
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Outlawmws
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As long as there is nothing significant about how the part goes on the motor and how the pulley aligns on the shaft (Nothing jumps out at me...) you should be fine with a new key way.
chris fresh
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I made a little more progress tonight out in the cold weather.
I put a coat of paint on the base.
A coat of primer on the bottom of the table. I didn't clean it as thoroughly as I did the other pieces.
I also got a coat of paint on the head.
Lastly, I have a question about one of the broke parts on my drill press. In the picture below is a part that is pressed onto the motor shaft (from the left). The bottom of one of the pulleys is pressed on to the bottom (left) of the piece and held in place with a set screw. On the top (right) of the piece there is a key way that has been partially worn away. The other half of the pulley slides along the top (right) of the part and the key keeps the pulley from rotating on the part. My question is, can I have another key way cut into this part on the other side? The location of the set screw hole and keyway aren't connected in any way. I'd think that I could have another one cut and it'd be cheaper than buying the new part but wanted to check first.
Any thoughts?
Edit: The guy on ebay got back with me and said he doesn't have just the spindle to sell. Doh! I also stopped by a machine shop after work to see about repairing the spindle but "the guy" who could help me was already gone. I'm going to try again tomorrow.
david, was your pulley a two piece that goes on that shaft? because mine was.the bottom goes on first with the spring under it,mine has the key joint in the shaft,but doesn't have a slot in the pulley itself.all mine had was a pin in the side,thought it was a set screw,but it was a pin about 1/4'' round and i'm guessing it was hammered in.i sheared the set screw off in the top when i pressed the shaft out,luckily i put it back together,ran a 1/4-20 tap in it and put a bolt in it until i can get the right set screw.
i think i'm going to re drill it also,or add a second one.only thing keeping the pulley from spinning on mine is the set screw,so i'm not real concerned with the key way.
nice color to btw.just got my colors today,weather permitting,i'm gonna shoot the base some time tomorrow.
jeepnut24
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A nice article on scored shaft repair... It might be an option for you.
http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/Scored Shaft Repair.ashx
http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/Scored Shaft Repair.ashx
The setup on my drill press seems to be backwards to yours. Here's the best pic I have on the setup on mine. As you can see, on mine the front pulley is adjusted by the speed dial and the back pulley is springloaded. If I'm remembering correctly, yours was backward.
Here's a pic of the parts. The pulley half on the right goes on the bottom of the shaft (top in the picture). The pulley on the left is flipped upside down and moves vertically on the shaft. On mine the key (top right) locks the pulley half (left) with the shaft (top). There is no pin or set screw on that part. The lower pulley half (right) does have a place for a setscrew which goes through the pulley half and shaft and contacts the motor output shaft.
If I had a metal lathe I'd probably do something like that just to see if it'd work out. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Well, I ran by the machine shop twice but no one could seem to spare any time to help me. I think my stuff was too small. Oh well, I'll try another one or two before throwing in the towel and ordering a new one.
On the plus side, I've contacted A_Pmech about cutting a new keyway in the cylinder and boring a platic bushing.
On the plus side, I've contacted A_Pmech about cutting a new keyway in the cylinder and boring a platic bushing.
I made some small progress tonight.
Here I'm taping the holes that hold the placard onto the front of the DP. The small DP in the picture is only used for holding the tap vertical. I turned it with my hand. The placards on the Clausing drill press were all held in with tiny barbed rivets that I destroyed upon removal or lost. I think screws will do a much better job.
There we go.
Same thing for the motor. No I didn't drill the holes. I just reused the old ones. No idea what is on the placard but it doesn't want to come off with any of my cleaners.
Finished base.
Painted bottom of the table.
So, I'm waiting on parts and paint to dry now.
Here I'm taping the holes that hold the placard onto the front of the DP. The small DP in the picture is only used for holding the tap vertical. I turned it with my hand. The placards on the Clausing drill press were all held in with tiny barbed rivets that I destroyed upon removal or lost. I think screws will do a much better job.
There we go.
Same thing for the motor. No I didn't drill the holes. I just reused the old ones. No idea what is on the placard but it doesn't want to come off with any of my cleaners.
Finished base.
Painted bottom of the table.
So, I'm waiting on parts and paint to dry now.
chris fresh
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I made some small progress tonight.
Here I'm taping the holes that hold the placard onto the front of the DP. The small DP in the picture is only used for holding the tap vertical. I turned it with my hand. The placards on the Clausing drill press were all held in with tiny barbed rivets that I destroyed upon removal or lost. I think screws will do a much better job.
There we go.
Same thing for the motor. No I didn't drill the holes. I just reused the old ones. No idea what is on the placard but it doesn't want to come off with any of my cleaners.
Finished base.
Painted bottom of the table.
So, I'm waiting on parts and paint to dry now.
looking good,and i know what you mean on the waiting part,i'm in the same boat right now.
I worked on the drill press a little more last night after getting my motor bearings in.
Here's the reassembled motor. I test ran it and it seems to run pretty well.
I've put some of the big parts back together and it actually looks like a drill press again instead of a collection of parts.
All the painted screw holes get chased.
A press sure makes putting on bearings easy.
Finished front pulley assembly.
Front pulley assembly and part of the adjustment mechanism reinstalled. I've also put the column lock, switch, wiring, scale, and quill play adjustment screws back in.
I worked a little on the speed adjustment hub last night. Based on the diagram I think the wave washer and jam nut are missing. They shouldn't be much trouble to get locally.
Here's the reassembled motor. I test ran it and it seems to run pretty well.
I've put some of the big parts back together and it actually looks like a drill press again instead of a collection of parts.
All the painted screw holes get chased.
A press sure makes putting on bearings easy.
Finished front pulley assembly.
Front pulley assembly and part of the adjustment mechanism reinstalled. I've also put the column lock, switch, wiring, scale, and quill play adjustment screws back in.
I worked a little on the speed adjustment hub last night. Based on the diagram I think the wave washer and jam nut are missing. They shouldn't be much trouble to get locally.
As received, after pressing in the new pulley bushing:
Turning the portion of the hub where the pulley bushing rides undersize:
Boring the pulley bushing to fit the new hub OD:
The new keyway finished. Clausing must have had problems with the key failing, thus the addition of the roll pin which necessitates drilling a hole in the center of the keyway:
Finished result: (my camera doesn't like to photograph shiny things)
chris fresh
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really nice work man.
Thanks! It is getting there.
I worked on it again some today and have gotten myself back up to waiting on parts an paint again.
Here's the latest pic. I threw a yard stick in for some size perspective.
I decided to repaint the piece that covers the coil spring as it had some bad runs in it which is why it isn't in the picture.
Here's a pic of the finished speed adjustment mechanism. I had to pick up some new bolts that hold the belt guard on.
I'm getting close to the end!
You're welcome!
mike13u said:
No, I just positioned it in the vise on top of a wide parallel. This makes it easy to locate the OD of the shaft by locating the face of the static jaw.
chris fresh
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hey david, one of your pics helped me out today.i'm in the process of putting back together and had a hard time trying to figure out why the spindle wouldn't go up.turns out i had the knob on backwards and the spring was twisting the wrong direction.of course i didn't have a clear pic of how it was originally,but i noticed yours and you could see the spring.works like a champ now.
only thing i have to do is pull the two roll pins out of the back of the knob,because there worn down and won't stay catched,if you load the spring to much,it will slip.
thanks for the detailed pics on your resto.
only thing i have to do is pull the two roll pins out of the back of the knob,because there worn down and won't stay catched,if you load the spring to much,it will slip.
thanks for the detailed pics on your resto.
chris fresh
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i also noticed the bolt hole in the top of mine,between the pulley's,didn't know what it was for until i saw yours.it's for the variable speed bracket,funny how mine has the bracket on the rear pulley and yours is completely different.yet they still use a rod from the front control.
don't know,but still cool stuff.
don't know,but still cool stuff.
chris fresh
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thanks,i'm pretty close right now,minus motor of course.spent a little time on it today,just need to take some progress pics and post them.i need to pull that knob and replace the roll pins and then do the badges.my connection for the knobs is ghost,so i decided to make new ones.i'm going to my guy tomorrow to pick up a few feet of 1 1/4 aluminum round stock and i'll turn some new "custom" ones.
JASTECH
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David, I am sure impressed with your Clausing DP restore.
John, very nice job mate! If I need something carved i'll be sure to give you a ring if it's ok? I really salivate over the fine USA made machines being brought back to life. People like you who care make a difference.
Thanks, JASTECH
John, very nice job mate! If I need something carved i'll be sure to give you a ring if it's ok? I really salivate over the fine USA made machines being brought back to life. People like you who care make a difference.
Thanks, JASTECH
I look forward to seeing the what you come up with for the knobs. I still not sure what I'm going to do for mine. It didn't come with any when I picked it up. I'll probably see how much they run from Clausing when I call about the spindle.
Thanks for the kind words! I think you'll be in trouble if you call me for carving though. I like the older machines. It seems you get a high quality item for less than you can pay for the cheaper machines today. It does require a little elbow grease though.
JASTECH
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David, I don't mind the elbow grease, just cant locate a Clausing VS DP for 300.00 or so close enough to pick-up. All I find don't ship. I bought one a couple years ago off fleabay that was VS and it is, if you change the belt to another pulley, which I can't.
bimmer1980
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Hey DavidB
Nice work with the Clausing restore so far. I was reading about your part that you need....
Have you tried this guy? http://www.plazamachinery.com/
I have not purchased any parts from him, but he does seem to have a selections of machines and parts......
Best of luck finding it!
p.s. I have a 17" old Delta/Rockwell that I plan to restore as soon as the new garage is done.............
Nice work with the Clausing restore so far. I was reading about your part that you need....
Have you tried this guy? http://www.plazamachinery.com/
I have not purchased any parts from him, but he does seem to have a selections of machines and parts......
Best of luck finding it!
p.s. I have a 17" old Delta/Rockwell that I plan to restore as soon as the new garage is done.............
Here's a small update for those who may be following.
I got the coil spring cover installed and painted. A third hand would have helped with the install.
I got an email back from the Plaza Machinery guy that night saying he'd look around. I haven't heard from him since. I emailed another machine shop in a nearby town (Pensacola) and never got a response from them.
So, I finally said the heck with with and bought that used spindle off Ebay that Outlawmws posted. Now I'll have and extra chuck and quill.
John shipped my parts out on Monday and sent me the tracking number. The USPS hasn't updated the info since Monday though it says it'll get here this coming Monday.
So now I'm waiting for parts.
I got the coil spring cover installed and painted. A third hand would have helped with the install.
I got an email back from the Plaza Machinery guy that night saying he'd look around. I haven't heard from him since. I emailed another machine shop in a nearby town (Pensacola) and never got a response from them.
So, I finally said the heck with with and bought that used spindle off Ebay that Outlawmws posted. Now I'll have and extra chuck and quill.
John shipped my parts out on Monday and sent me the tracking number. The USPS hasn't updated the info since Monday though it says it'll get here this coming Monday.
So now I'm waiting for parts.
chris fresh
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Here's a small update for those who may be following.
I got the coil spring cover installed and painted. A third hand would have helped with the install.
I got an email back from the Plaza Machinery guy that night saying he'd look around. I haven't heard from him since. I emailed another machine shop in a nearby town (Pensacola) and never got a response from them.
So, I finally said the heck with with and bought that used spindle off Ebay that Outlawmws posted. Now I'll have and extra chuck and quill.
John shipped my parts out on Monday and sent me the tracking number. The USPS hasn't updated the info since Monday though it says it'll get here this coming Monday.
So now I'm waiting for parts.
david,iknow what you mean with the 3rd hand.i just redid mine today,the two roll pins in the back side were worn off to the point it wouldn't lock.i didn't have enough to grab to pull them out,so i punched them in enough for the pieces to fall out,without removing the spring. (didn't want to get involved with that). i tapped the holes 1/4-20,then took some 1/4-20 bolts and cut them down.thread end was 1/4'' long,and the other about the same.then i rounded the ends.basically a set of screw in pins.now it works great,maybe better than when it was new.
glad to see the progress.did you see the pic of the knob i posted in my thread? i think i'm gonna do three like that for the variable speed and three longer ones on the handles.
Good news today. The parts from John arrived. He did excellent work and put very near a mirror finish on the shaft. The key fits perfectly with no slop.
Getting the shaft on the motor was a pain and involved a lot of smacking with a rubber mallet until I could get it under my press. Even then I had to raise it a little.
Here's the motor and bottom pulley half mounted.
Top pulley half and belt back on.
Here's a vid of the drill press running up from ~500-4000 RPM.
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Now just waiting on the spindle.
Getting the shaft on the motor was a pain and involved a lot of smacking with a rubber mallet until I could get it under my press. Even then I had to raise it a little.
Here's the motor and bottom pulley half mounted.
Top pulley half and belt back on.
Here's a vid of the drill press running up from ~500-4000 RPM.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KEDG6r7kZNs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Now just waiting on the spindle.
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