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Stuey

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“USA Quality Guaranteed” – Just a Made-in China Decoration

Yep, that's another Stuey rant, but one of my shorter ones. Photos and discussion via link above, summary below.

Summary:

  • Stuey browses Home Depot
  • Stuey comes across a utility knife that says USA Quality Guarantee
  • Stuey looks at the back of the package
  • Stuey sees "made in China"
  • Stuey looks closer. There's a warning not to shine the light in your eyes.

When I left the store I was fuming mad. What also bugs me is that I was about to believe that these really were USA-made knives. I feel intentionally deceived.

The company that makes/imports this is responsible for a lot of the Husky special-buys that you only see during big holiday shopping seasons.
 
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Well technically they only said "USA Quality" not that they actually ARE US... :twak:

Marketing + lawyers = Lies wrapped in "truth"
 

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That would piss me off. I hate how some of the companies are strong arming smaller companies into offshoring their work, benchmade comes to mind with Wal Mart.
 

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From an older thread:
My favorite subject again.

I have been doing some browsing in the Federal Code of Regulations, Specifically Title 19, Part 134. I turned up some interesting things.

§ 134.43 Methods of marking specific articles.

(a) Marking previously required by certain provisions of the Tariff Act of 1930. Except for goods of a NAFTA country, articles of a class or kind listed below shall be marked legibly and conspicuously by die stamping, cast-in-the-mold lettering, etching (acid or electrolytic), engraving, or by means of metal plates which bear the prescribed marking and which are securely attached to the article in a conspicuous place by welding, screws, or rivets: knives, forks, steels, cleavers, clippers, shears, scissors, safety razors, blades for safety razors, surgical instruments, dental instruments, scientific and laboratory instruments, pliers, pincers, nippers and hinged hand tools for holding and splicing wire, vacuum containers, and parts of the above articles. Goods of a NAFTA country shall be marked by any reasonable method which is legible, conspicuous and permanent as otherwise provided in this part..

§ 134.41 Methods and manner of marking.

(a) Suggested methods of marking. Section 304 of the Tariff Act of 1930, as amended (19 U.S.C. 1304), requires that the marking of the country of origin be legible, indelible, and permanent. Definite methods of marking are prescribed only for articles provided for in §134.43 and for articles which are the objects of special rulings by the Commissioner of Customs. As a general rule, marking requirements are best met by marking worked into the article at the time of manufacture. For example, it is suggested that the country of origin on metal articles be die sunk, molded in or etched; on earthenware or chinaware be glazed on in the process of firing; and on paper articles be imprinted.

(b) Degree of permanence and visibility. The degree of permanence should be at least sufficient to insure that in any reasonably foreseeable circumstance, the marking shall remain on the article (or its container) until it reaches the ultimate purchaser unless it is deliberately removed. The marking must survive normal distribution and store handling. The ultimate purchaser in the United States must be able to find the marking easily and read it without strain.

This one make me think of "Neiko Tooks USA"...


§ 134.46 Marking when name of country or locality other than country of origin appears.

In any case in which the words “United States,” or “American,” the letters “U.S.A.,” any variation of such words or letters, or the name of any city or location in the United States, or the name of any foreign country or locality other than the country or locality in which the article was manufactured or produced appear on an imported article or its container, and those words, letters or names may mislead or deceive the ultimate purchaser as to the actual country of origin of the article, there shall appear legibly and permanently in close proximity to such words, letters or name, and in at least a comparable size, the name of the country of origin preceded by “Made in,” “Product of,” or other words of similar meaning.

And you know how the tool truck dealers remove the "Taiwan" tags from ratchets, etc....?

§ 134.4 Penalties for removal, defacement, or alteration of marking.

Any intentional removal, defacement, destruction, or alteration of a marking of the country of origin required by section 304, Tariff Act of 1930, as amended (19 U.S.C. 1304), and this part in order to conceal this information may result in criminal penalties of up to $5,000 and/or imprisonment for 1 year, as provided in 19 U.S.C. 1304(h).


This is great stuff. I will again be contacting the FTC with some specific examples of violations. They still won't care, but it will make me feel better.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22390
 

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I think this example could be pushing the USA labeling rules.

Here is an FTC website with the USA labeling rules. It is quite easy to understand and written for the average person. I'm busy right now, so I don't have time to check if this example violates any of the rules.


http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard

If it looks like it might violate a rule, you should report them. I haven't looked, but I'm sure there's a way to contact the FTC on their website. I would think your blog post would provide them with the images, company name, etc. that they would need to look into it.
 

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That would piss me off. I hate how some of the companies are strong arming smaller companies into offshoring their work, benchmade comes to mind with Wal Mart.


Are you saying that Benchmade has a line of knives for sale at Walmart now?
 

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I think everything spewed out by Iron Bridge is pretty much complete garbage. You'd think that Home Depot would realize the damage this is doing to the Husky brand (is there anything left of its reputation?)

But I guess they sell enough dog bone wrenches and "tattoo" knives to stay in business. Really sad...
 

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Are you saying that Benchmade has a line of knives for sale at Walmart now?

Sorry it was Buck Knives. Wal Mart threatened to drop them as a supplier if they didn't have at least one line made in China so it would be priced cheaper.
 
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I think everything spewed out by Iron Bridge is pretty much complete garbage. You'd think that Home Depot would realize the damage this is doing to the Husky brand (is there anything left of its reputation?)

But I guess they sell enough dog bone wrenches and "tattoo" knives to stay in business. Really sad...
There are still a couple of decent Husky products out there, but from what I could tell, none of the ones I like or would recommend are from Iron Bridge. A lot of what I saw from Iron Bridge last year and this year are semi-gimmicky dirt-cheap stocking stuffers.

You were intentionally deceived. That was the whole point.
Grrr. So it's not just me being my usual super-sensitive self!
 

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Sad but a lot of the public have no knowledge of where the product comes from. Just today I was in Sears and a nice older Women was trying to return a broken tool and Sears would not replace it. I looked at the tool and told the womem that Sears would need a sales slip for her Evolve tool. The women insisted that it was a craftsman lifetime tool made in the States because she bought it from Sears.

Seems like a bad business plan to chase away your future cutomers...
 

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You were intentionally deceived. That was the whole point.

It's more like mistlead. Not an actual lie, just a percieved truth that ended up not being what you thought it was. It's like telling a girl that something is chocolate flavored, while not being actually chocolate. Aske me how I learned that one was bad! All I'm saying is that it was a rough one :( !
 

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Sorry it was Buck Knives. Wal Mart threatened to drop them as a supplier if they didn't have at least one line made in China so it would be priced cheaper.


Gotcha, I was hoping that Benchmade hadn't been corrupted like Gerber, Kershaw and others. It's sad really Gerber, CRKT, Kershaw and Leatherman are all in Oregon yet most of the stuff they sell in big stores is lesser quality than the stuff that made them famous.

I am a fan of Benchmade and they were sold locally at good prices but got replaced with more Kershaw and CRKT. Those aren't bad knives either but most of the Kershaw and all of the CRKT that I've seen are imported. My gf bought me a Kershaw filet knife at a yard sale, brand new, I thought "alright, Kershaw American made" Wrong, it was made in China. I was a little disappointed.
 

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Sorry it was Buck Knives. Wal Mart threatened to drop them as a supplier if they didn't have at least one line made in China so it would be priced cheaper.

Is this documented or speculation? It is not so common for retailers to explicitly demand a specific import country so long as the price is agreeable.
 

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report them, remind the store manager that such deception has a 1 year prison sentence and a $5000 fine.
 

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Is this documented or speculation? It is not so common for retailers to explicitly demand a specific import country so long as the price is agreeable.

It depends upon who you ask. There was a discussion on the bladeforums about this and one person stated Buck was forced to offshore some at the request of Wal Mart who "helped" them during that process. Another said it was due to taxes and regulations by the US gov not them being strong armed. This thread turned into a massive bash fest of China vs US and politics and was deleted. I've no clue which was correct but the guy saying they were strong armed had a better argument and made the most sense.

Their intent is to bring everything back home and only have a minimal footprint. The fit and finish of their Chinese made knives is still top notch as well as their heat treating process, or super cooling as it were. The steel is a cheaper grade steel than their American made counter parts.
 

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Is this documented or speculation? It is not so common for retailers to explicitly demand a specific import country so long as the price is agreeable.

A little of topic but I remember seeing a documentary about this, where they,
whoever they are since I do not remember the title, said WM did that after Nixon opened the market to China.
But I think it`s just China on default for now for the most stuff since they can make it the cheapest.
But I`ll doubt that they say we need made in China, WM is just looking for the cheapest price.
I think if the US would make the cheapest stuff they would get it from here.
 

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Buck has reallized the error in their ways & is making moves to bring back most if not all their production to Idaho. I have a buck folder that is US made that retails for $20.00(I paid $15.00) it has good steel in the blade, it's hard to dull it.
 
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