The VISES of Garage Journal

[zoomieport]

It's the vise version of face huggers and xenomorphs. You just need a 200#'er to portray the Queen.

That would be my Morgan collection...

 

[mikeylikesit5805]

Got this for my birthday from my dad. Can anybody tell me anything about it? good or bad? I am wire wheeling it now, whats the procedure for re-painting these things?

 

[Mr onetwo]

Well, I finally got a vise that is worthy of this forum...what do you think for $75 5" Parker 955

 

[autopts]

OK, THIS IS IT with the Bullets mounted on PowRArms... I promise.
2"
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3'
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Wow, that photo will never be duplicated again. That one is awsome for this vise thread.

Mikelikes...Your dad got you a good one.

Mr. OneTwo. Can't go wrong for $75

 

[PT Doc]

Got this for my birthday from my dad. Can anybody tell me anything about it? good or bad? I am wire wheeling it now, whats the procedure for re-painting these things?

Wire wheel it but don't paint it. Use it as is is my recommendation.

 

[Bears Fan]

Okay you win!

 

[Canoe50]

The reason I'd braize that and not use nickle rod, is to get the filler completely through the crack, top to bottom.

Basic steps:

Clean the dynamic jaw completely. Then find the very end of the crack preferably from both sides. Where it stops drill a hole from one side to the other which removes the stress riser the crack end is, and provide a space to fill. You mav need to drill at an angle to accomplish this.

Personally I'd start de-rusting with Electrolysis; then use full strength Jasco metal etch (phosphoric acid) in the crack in particular to remove anything else.

Preheat the jaw at 500 degrees in an oven, and for something that big, do it for about 2 hours. while that is going on, get a BIG bucket of dry sand and heat that up as well; as hot as you can manage. Steel bucket and a good camp stove, or a deep fryer propane burner will do a good job.

Once pre heated, get to brazeing, flowing the rod into the crack from the top while you heat from the bottom. Fill it completely, Then bury the jaw in the hot sand to cool slowly. something that big, I'd let it set all day or overnight depending on when you did the deed.

Once cooled you can take a flat file to the top to smooth out any braize material left on the top surface.

Why not ni-rod and an arc welder? Unless you grind a deep vee into both sides you aren't going to get all that deep into a part that thick, and you are more likely to end up with the welded end with some warpage; and have a lot more cleanup to do afterward. There is no real stress on that section so all you need to do is stableize the crack, and a proper drill and braize job will do that and clean up easy, and all that should show is a thin line of brass and the filled stop hole.

Why the pre heat? Cast is funny stuff and without a good preheat and slow cool down, it moves a lot and will actually heatsink the heat out of the welded area and can fracture as it cools. I've see cold welded cracks simply break away from one side or the other on an arc welded cast piece when welded cold.

Thanks for that informative post. I see you mentioned that area of the crack has no real stress. That was my first thought when I originally saw the picture, which made me wonder how that crack would develop in the first place.
Any thoughts on how that might have happened?

 

[zoomieport]

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Wow, that photo will never be duplicated again. That one is awsome for this vise thread.

Mikelikes...Your dad got you a good one.

Mr. OneTwo. Can't go wrong for $75

Thanks AUTOPTS, that is HIGH PRAISE from the MASTER!

 

[Outlawmws]

Thanks for that informative post. I see you mentioned that area of the crack has no real stress. That was my first thought when I originally saw the picture, which made me wonder how that crack would develop in the first place.
Any thoughts on how that might have happened?

IMO, abuse plain and simple. someone may have been using the end out there as an anvil to flatten things out...

 

[Outlawmws]

Got this for my birthday from my dad. Can anybody tell me anything about it? good or bad? I am wire wheeling it now, whats the procedure for re-painting these things?

What do the markings say? Not instantly familiar with that particular vise.

Nice looking vise though!

Completely disassemble, De rust, De Grease, mask the Dynamic jaw slide, jaws, threads and other areas that don't need/want paint.

I like to wipe down with Jasco metal etch, and hit it with a Bernz-O-Matic to get any surface moisture out, and prime. then paint your preferred color.

 

[bigcaddy]

OK, THIS IS IT with the Bullets mounted on PowRArms... I promise.
2"
2-1/2"
3'
4"

Looks like you have a few Wiltons laying around your shop I guess i have competition when it comes to looking for baby bullets.

 

[camarotoolman]

heres one you don't every day. i thinks its a pattern makers/ wook worker vise. the jaws are 18" across and it will open up to about 20". Made by emmer waynesboro , pa. It also tilts and rotates. says pattern maker on it too.

 

[demographic]

heres one you don't every day. i thinks its a pattern makers/ wook worker vise. the jaws are 18" across and it will open up to about 20". Made by emmer waynesboro , pa. It also tilts and rotates. says pattern maker on it too.

Another nice one.
Emmert page HERE

 

[mryyc]

Got sniped out of an ebay find this week so bit the bullet on a Record #5 vise I had been keeping an eye on through Kijiji. In pretty good shape overall, Jaws aren't bad and the screw is pretty good. This one is next in line for restoration.

 

[PaulsGarage]

I just finished this Paramo No.5, looks a lot like your Record, (same company at one time I believe). It's seems like a really solid and well-built vise.

 

[mryyc]

I just finished this Paramo No.5, looks a lot like your Record, (same company at one time I believe). It's seems like a really solid and well-built vise.

Wow, great job on that. I wish I had the swivel base for mine. How did you do the handle and other unpainted surfaces? Can't tell if you have a coat of clear on them but they look really sharp.

 

[Jamie_h]

As seen in my other thread:
Worked on this last week, first vise restoration. I soaked the vise parts in oxalic acid then wirewheeled them. I used rustoleum hammered silver paint. Still some cleanup I need to do on the vise handle, and I might replace it as its slightly bent. Thanks to Rickster for the vise!

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[toomanytoyzz]

Here's my new purchase. Got it on fleebay to mount to the side of my welding table for those small little jobs. It's in very good shape, and pretty stout for a small guy. Weighs about 8lbs. I took it apart and am currently de-rusting. I'm gonna got with the Flyers theme in regards to the paint.

Got it for $20 which included shipping. It was definitely more than I wanted to spend, but I had $14 in ebay bucks sitting idle so I said what the hell.

Take a look at it mounted to my dad's Rock Island.

 

[bczygan]

heres one you don't every day. i thinks its a pattern makers/ wook worker vise. the jaws are 18" across and it will open up to about 20". Made by emmer waynesboro , pa. It also tilts and rotates. says pattern maker on it too.

How do you know your wife does NOT share your love of vises?

When I tried to show her the photos of this Emmert, she said "I'd rather look at the inside of my eyelids!"

 

[PCO6]

Got sniped out of an ebay find this week so bit the bullet on a Record #5 vise I had been keeping an eye on through Kijiji. In pretty good shape overall, Jaws aren't bad and the screw is pretty good. This one is next in line for restoration.

That's a good looking vice. If you decide you do want a new set of jaws you can get them at Acklands-Grainger for about $35 (screws included). Reparding paint, I have had good luck with Valspar blue aerosal from Lowe's for my Records. It's hard to tell from the photo but has the lubrication hole been welded shut?

 

[Catalyze]

Wow......where to start commenting?

Zoomie - they look like Russian nesting dolls...each one just a tad bigger than the other....and way cooler!! Pure Wilton ****....

Mikey - very nice middle aged Columbian vise! Usually we sort of ballpark Columbians by the logo...curved on both sides = old...maybe pre WWII straight one side/curved other side = middle aged....post WWII straight both sides = later ones....late 50's on out Now sometimes Columbian (like other makers) didn't change the molds on certain vises so you can have a 1962 swivel jaw with a curved logo but its ballpark.... Columbians are the Fords/Chevys of vises....they made tons...they did their job and didn't cost what a Parker or Reed would have cost....they got abused and thrown away and companies just bought more...they are a great vise without any "mystique" about them

Mronetwo - very nice Parker....it appears to be in great condition and is a nice size that will serve you past my estate sale someday

Jamie - what a great vise and paint job! Now you make me feel bad for not snagging one of the old art deco Parkers....and you make me want to work on my Columbian Pennypencher vise...LOL

Toomany - some like the Stanley sweetheart vises but I really like the style that you have....the raised panel logo is my favorite....good vise!
Craig

 

[mryyc]

That's a good looking vice. If you decide you do want a new set of jaws you can get them at Acklands-Grainger for about $35 (screws included). Reparding paint, I have had good luck with Valspar blue aerosal from Lowe's for my Records. It's hard to tell from the photo but has the lubrication hole been welded shut?

Thanks for the tip about the jaws. Good to know they're still made. Nope, not welded shut but I had the same reaction when looking at my own photo and ran out to have a look. Just a piece of the original sticker on the side that reminds you to oil.

 

[PCO6]

mryyc - That's interesting that you have a "sticker". Yours appears to be a "flat faced" dynamic jaw Record. I have a No. 4 just like it that I bought new in the 70's. I can't remember if it came with a sticker. I most likely peeled it off a long time ago. I have a few other Records that have a horizantal "ridge" cast in to the dynamic jaw. I believe they were made in the 60's. Some of them came with a "decal" and they were very hard to remove when I repainted them.

 

[Canoe50]

IMO, abuse plain and simple. someone may have been using the end out there as an anvil to flatten things out...

Yeah, that would do it. Thanks.

 

[joshmodelskidoo]

While this post isn't about a Vise, it is about vise accessories! Once upon a Time there was a young lad (hey...it's my story and in it I am a young lad) and he was scanning Ebay late one night. It might have been a dark and stormy night...I don't remember. He came upon an auction with the title "Prentiss" in it. That caught the lad's attention like a free **** site. However, he could not identify what in the Wide Wide World of Sports, the auction items were. They had Prentiss stamped on them but no description of what they were or did. The Lad dashed off a carrier pigeon to Sir Autopts and said "Dear Sir....WTF is this auction?" His answer was "Buy it and if you win, I will tell you." I did...and he did. So here is a set of Prentiss Pipe Jaw Attachments for a 4" vise.
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nice score. storys not to bad eather

 

[Richard D]

Reed vises must be popular on the Gulf Coast; both my large vintage vises are Reeds, and I noticed one in my neighbor's garage this weekend.

 

[Catalyze]

If my neighbor had a Reed vise in his garage, he would be my new best friend. Heck, if Autopts had a Reed in his basement, I would be his best buddy. Instead all he has is 90% of the world's supply of Wiltons. Therefore I remain his nemesis.
Craig

 

[zoomieport]

If my neighbor had a Reed vise in his garage, he would be my new best friend. Heck, if Autopts had a Reed in his basement, I would be his best buddy. Instead all he has is 90% of the world's supply of Wiltons. Therefore I remain his nemesis.
Craig

Careful... Ypo never know when you might need a favor from Mr. PTS.. HAHAHAHA!

 

[amaes]

I'm going to be finishing cleaning up a Morgan Chicago 35 in the next few days that I'm going to be throwing in the trade section since I already have a vise and this one is too small.

 

[zoomieport]

I'm going to be finishing cleaning up a Morgan Chicago 35 in the next few days that I'm going to be throwing in the trade section since I already have a vise and this one is too small.

You said #35, not #135, correct? I would give my 1st born for a #135...

 

[BullfrogJohnson]

I take pride in the fact that most all my tools are made in the USA. I went out into my garage to inspect my wilton vise thats fairly new, I was very dissapointed to find it was a chinese model So today at work I took a look around. Up until a week ago I never paid attention to the vises around my work until I read this thread. Apparently my work is a goldmine for old columbian and wilton vises. I found an old columbian vise that was broken and asked the boss what he wanted for it. He told me if I can fix it, I can have it

So tell me guys, do I have a diamond in the rough? Coulumbian 604 1/2 M3

 

[mryyc]

I take pride in the fact that most all my tools are made in the USA. I went out into my garage to inspect my wilton vise thats fairly new, I was very dissapointed to find it was a chinese model So today at work I took a look around. Up until a week ago I never paid attention to the vises around my work until I read this thread. Apparently my work is a goldmine for old columbian and wilton vises. I found an old columbian vise that was broken and asked the boss what he wanted for it. He told me if I can fix it, I can have it

So tell me guys, do I have a diamond in the rough? Coulumbian 604 1/2 M3

That looks very nice and the price is certainly right. You ****.

Now that that's done, what was broken on it?

 

[BullfrogJohnson]

Everything is nice and tight, but when you loosen the vise it pushes the nut out the back of the vise.

 

[Outlawmws]

Everything is nice and tight, but when you loosen the vise it pushes the nut out the back of the vise.

That ain't broke! The keeper for the main screw is sheared or has come loose!

So... You ****! Free vise with an easy fix!

Take the dynamic jaw out and get pics of the screw and the underside of the slide near the jaw. if it isn't obvious to you, one of us can point out what needs doing!

 

[BJ42LX]

Hahaha, this guy knows his vises. $5

 

[BullfrogJohnson]

Is there a roll pin that holds it in place in the rear hole or is there a stop that slides behind it?

 

[Jtoddaz]

How is it that I just finish restoring my first vise and I find myself browsing CL looking at vises??

Well, I found one that caught my eye. Really good condition, with bright orange paint covering the entire thing. It's actually on a post mounted on a semi rim. The handle is odd, as the ends don't match, but the square end is actually held on with a set pin. Either a replacement or really old. It's marked No. 104 1/2 on one side, and Reed, and some patent dates on the other. It's sitting in a bath of Citrus based paint stripper as we speak.




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[Catalyze]

Bullfrog - there should be a pin that sticks up behind the main nut...usually you remove it with a punch from the underside....as in this photo
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Jt - welcome to the world of vises! You have a great one with a Reed and an oldie to boot...keep the photos coming!
Craig

 

[toomanytoyzz]

How is it that I just finish restoring my first vise and I find myself browsing CL looking at vises??

Well, I found one that caught my eye. Really good condition, with bright orange paint covering the entire thing. It's actually on a post mounted on a semi rim. The handle is odd, as the ends don't match, but the square end is actually held on with a set pin. Either a replacement or really old. It's marked No. 104 1/2 on one side, and Reed, and some patent dates on the other. It's sitting in a bath of Citrus based paint stripper as we speak.




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Nice score, but who was the knucklehead that welded it to the base? Too lazy to bring it over to the drill press, but had enough energy to fire up the welder?? Had at least one of the holes ready to go.

What's the size and approx. weight?

 

[amaes]

You said #35, not #135, correct? I would give my 1st born for a #135...

YEAH its a 35. Sorry. I saw your post a while back. I was hoping to trade for some old tools because i like restoring them or enough cash to help buy my off road lights for my prerrunner.