Why is everyone so hung up on coo? There are people here that will not buy a tool unless it's usa made and there willing to spend 4-5 times the amount to get it. They bash anything thats not usa made, as they type on there asian made computer, in front of an asian made tv, and probably drive an asian made car. How many of you ******** usa people actually checked the vin of your car before buying to see if it was assembled here in usa or not? Just seems silly to pay hundreds of dollars more for a stamp, but its your money. I prefer to have my tools make me money, not cost me money.
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MoToys
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You know what your right, I'm going to make sure everything I buy is imported this way I'm not supporting any American company.
willhollin
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Nothing wrong with being patriotic, at least you guys can with regards to buying tools! Not much left of British manufacturing now!
maddawg308
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All my tools are made in USA. But 9 times out of 10, I buy them used. I'm a cheapskate at heart, so while you think I spend 4 to 5 times as much for American made quality, I actually spend less than new Chinese stuff.
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Atleast this thread is intended to be a coo flame war instead of every other thread that just turns into one. I like to buy usa to support our economy. If nobody bought usa made goods most of us would work at walmart or hf and various other retailers. Nobody here would work in manufacturing. You can spend your money how you like and i will spend mine as i wish. I also believe I will have the superior tool, although you can disagree.
JerseyBoatBuilder
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You mean complaining on their asian made computer wearing all foreign made clothes sitting in a house filled with tons of foreign made products
I have to admit I think about the same exact thing while laughing and reading such topics
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I could care less about the company being a USA company. I care about where its made and if it is giving a middle class American a job. So yes I would buy a Honda over a Ford because the Honda is made here the Ford is probably made in Canada or Mexico.
Regardless of the company being domestic or foreign your putting money in some greedy guys pocket that is sitting in a office, I could care less where his greedy *** is from. If its USA made then in also putting money in a middle class Americans pocket instead of some Chinese kid's.
Regardless of the company being domestic or foreign your putting money in some greedy guys pocket that is sitting in a office, I could care less where his greedy *** is from. If its USA made then in also putting money in a middle class Americans pocket instead of some Chinese kid's.
jjjrmx5
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LOL.
Outside or the mx5 moniker, I only drive and own German cars.
COO has it's place but you spend your money on the good standing that you'll buy a quality tool. Or at least in theory. Any more...it's a **** shoot.
If you did your homework, you wouldn't be asking this question.
I work for a domestic airline and the Chinese don't buy tickets on my company but Americans do.
FWIW I didn't care at all about COO until I found this forum, now everything I buy I try and buy US. Even food! Actually, especially food. That is one area that I do NOT trust imports.
FWIW I didn't care at all about COO until I found this forum, now everything I buy I try and buy US. Even food! Actually, especially food. That is one area that I do NOT trust imports.
jjjrmx5
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Pipsters is my new hero.
I buy quality first. If domestic even better.
Cheap *** shiz seldom cuts it in my world. Not at work. Not at home.
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I don't understand all the arguments about COO either, it's your money spend it where you want, just like I will spend mine where I want. I try and buy US when there is a US option and that US option is worth the extra expense, as in quality. If the US option costs 3 times as much and the quality isn't there then I won't buy it. As for computers, as far as I know there isn't an option for a US computer so that is null and void. Just like TVs. I have all sorts of tools, from HF to snap on and everything in between. I buy my tools based on quality, I buy the best quality I can afford. Sometimes this means if I'm only going to use this tool once and the HF version is made well enough for that one time I will use it and is one tenth the cost of my other options then go with the HF. If I will use it a couple times and there is a US made version that is better quality for a few more bucks I will go with the US made version. I learned a long time ago that some things are worth paying the extra money for. My first socket set was a cheap import my grandpa gave me. He got it somewhere for cheap and gave it to me when I was 15, one of those metal cases with 3/8" drive set of standard and metric. I striped half the sockets out trying to work on my car, they were pure junk, might have worked for putting together a swing set but I doubt it. They weren't worth the five bucks he paid for them. I saved my pennies and bought a craftsman 2xx piece set and never stripped one socket. Another item I can remember was a can opener I bought all three versions walmart had and they all broke, pure junk. I went to a kitchen store and bought an expensive can opener, don't remember the COO but you could feel it was hefty and I still have it years later. You have to weigh quality vs price. A tool that is going to fail the first time you use it(HF snap ring pliers for example) isn't a "value" at any price.
In the end it doesn't matter how many COO arguments there are on GJ. Every one works hard for their money and can chose where to spend it and on what. It would be great if every American bought only US and brought manufacturing back to the US along with hundreds of thousand of jobs. But in all reality most Americans don't give a rats rear end about COO, they just want the cheapest option available. Most people don't have a clue where their shirt was made, or tv, or car, or most anything in their house.
In the end it doesn't matter how many COO arguments there are on GJ. Every one works hard for their money and can chose where to spend it and on what. It would be great if every American bought only US and brought manufacturing back to the US along with hundreds of thousand of jobs. But in all reality most Americans don't give a rats rear end about COO, they just want the cheapest option available. Most people don't have a clue where their shirt was made, or tv, or car, or most anything in their house.
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I only drink American BEER !
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Exactly, tools can't make you any money if Americans can't afford to pay you for your services.
I don't always buy American, but I try. I may be typing on my HP computer made in China, but you're going to be extremely hard pressed to find one made here anymore. With tools it's different as USA-made tools are easily available and often don't cost that much more than imports.
I have posted it several times on here already, but manufacturing facilities in America support millions of jobs. I would be unemployed right now if my employer decided to outsource, but because buying USA-made is important to some I am able to go to work on Monday.
I buy what I like to use. I resell almost every snap-on tool I get. I do have some ratchets and a few particular items that are keepers. My preference is for MAC TOOLS. They work very well for me and have for years. I have both US and Taiwan tools from them. To me it does not matter, I know that they, (MAC TOOLS), will warranty the tool if it breaks, and they stand behind the tool no matter who makes it.
If you look around, all tool manufactures have something from another COO. Whether it be where the metals or tooling machines to make the tools come into play, or where they make the tool at. Same can be said with almost everything in everyday life.
Guns. Many think that they own USA made guns, because the box says so, or the fact that the plant is in the USA. The fact is most have parts from other countries. Does that make it any less of a lethal weapon? Or your tool any less of a tool?
I say as long as it performs how I want, then whomever and where ever it is made, has little bearing. It is very hard to find stuff from the USA made by USA persons, Sold by USA persons. I wear shoes, and clothes, bought on American Soil. However I was not there when they were stitched up, so I have no clue where they were manufactured. They claim USA on some. How do I know? I have seen the news where over seas people make USA bound clothes and sew American Flags onto the labels, so your guess is as good as any as to where actually the COO comes from.
There are far too many things to do in my day to worry about where it was made. I am sure many here are just as busy if not more so than I to worry either. Boils down to preference. And Signcrafter said it well, " it is your money, you spend it how you choose", and I feel the same. I do not care what anyone thinks about what I buy or choose to use. The folks that come to see me for repairs do not look in my tool boxes to see that I have USA tools to work on their rigs, nor would they get past the Chinese German Shepard at the front gate. She is Chinese, at least that is where my wife bought her from a Chinese woman, when she was a pup.
If you look around, all tool manufactures have something from another COO. Whether it be where the metals or tooling machines to make the tools come into play, or where they make the tool at. Same can be said with almost everything in everyday life.
Guns. Many think that they own USA made guns, because the box says so, or the fact that the plant is in the USA. The fact is most have parts from other countries. Does that make it any less of a lethal weapon? Or your tool any less of a tool?
I say as long as it performs how I want, then whomever and where ever it is made, has little bearing. It is very hard to find stuff from the USA made by USA persons, Sold by USA persons. I wear shoes, and clothes, bought on American Soil. However I was not there when they were stitched up, so I have no clue where they were manufactured. They claim USA on some. How do I know? I have seen the news where over seas people make USA bound clothes and sew American Flags onto the labels, so your guess is as good as any as to where actually the COO comes from.
There are far too many things to do in my day to worry about where it was made. I am sure many here are just as busy if not more so than I to worry either. Boils down to preference. And Signcrafter said it well, " it is your money, you spend it how you choose", and I feel the same. I do not care what anyone thinks about what I buy or choose to use. The folks that come to see me for repairs do not look in my tool boxes to see that I have USA tools to work on their rigs, nor would they get past the Chinese German Shepard at the front gate. She is Chinese, at least that is where my wife bought her from a Chinese woman, when she was a pup.
Same Here..., Im not gonna claim there isnt any Imported goods in my House but i can promise you that whenever a Need arrises whether its a "Toothbrush" or a Set of "Bath Linen" Me and My Wife both do are research before buying. I realize that probably sounds "Stupid" to the majority of GJ and Consumers in General but it is something that we feel is important. Is what we do making a Difference? Highly Unlikely.. Does this mean that anyone who buys Imported Goods Anti-American? Absolutely Not... As much Chaos as COO brings to GJ, There are tons of Americans Who's Employment is Soley based off getting Imports from Container to Store Shelves.
Damn..........here we go again.........first off.......all the cars I own are older... built in the USA. 90% of my tools are older... made in the USA. There are a few that are made overseas.....Germany mostly....Stahllwille and Hazet.
Electronics?..........puh--lease......we don't really have that much of a choice now do we..? Clothes??.......Yep....screwed again...unless you wear Dickies or Carhardt....and that ain't no guarantee...lookit at Levi's.....
Bottom line....with me it's a matter of pride in country.....the way I was raised and If I choose to spend a little more on USA made goods.....big deal...it ain't costing you **** and I ain't looking for any financial assistance......
......first off.......all the cars I own are older... built in the USA. 90% of my tools are older... made in the USA. There are a few that are made overseas.....Germany mostly....Stahllwille and Hazet.Electronics?..........puh--lease......we don't really have that much of a choice now do we..? Clothes??.......Yep....screwed again...unless you wear Dickies or Carhardt....and that ain't no guarantee...lookit at Levi's.....
Bottom line....with me it's a matter of pride in country.....the way I was raised and If I choose to spend a little more on USA made goods.....big deal...it ain't costing you **** and I ain't looking for any financial assistance......
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Well at least the ranting about coo is in it's own thread for once
I call out to the moderators/administrators of this forum to take control of this forum. There is entirely to much ranting and bickering over coo that it has become nearly impossible to have discussions about tools.
There are multiple daily threads bashing retailers and manufacturers over this topic, countless and pointless posts stating political opinions that this forum has degraded from a tool discussion board to a political discussion board beating to death the same topic over and over
I call out to the moderators/administrators of this forum to take control of this forum. There is entirely to much ranting and bickering over coo that it has become nearly impossible to have discussions about tools.
There are multiple daily threads bashing retailers and manufacturers over this topic, countless and pointless posts stating political opinions that this forum has degraded from a tool discussion board to a political discussion board beating to death the same topic over and over
Will if you want British made tools heres a short list: King **** make open, combi, and slogging wrenches in the UK still, everything else is imported, Williams Superslim now owned by Smith Francis tools still make open, double open and spud wrenches in the UK aswell as stamps, punches and torque wrenches, Fisco tools owned by Hultafors make all kinds of tape measures and spirit levels, Talco tools make steel tool boxes, cantilever tool boxes and steel roll cabs, Thor hammers make soft blow, soft face and inter changeable hammers, Visa tools Leeds make lump, claw, ball pein and sledge hammers to name a few as well as axes shovels and spades, Clico tools Sheffield make planes augers and drill bits, Foot print Sheffield make pipe wrenches, wood chisels, bolsters, cold chisels, tin snips and scrapers. If you want to know any more just PM me.
There are also rules about calling people names, You shouldnt call members "Morons" or claim they are "Ignorant".
I try to buy USA stuff whenever its available and I can afford it, if all of us bought foreign stuff only, most of us would be out of a job. Pretty soon china will be the most powerful country in the world and I believe one of the main reasons is because most manufacturing is done there, I don't know about you guys but I'll do whatever I can to prevent this from happening. I was born in mexico and am a naturalized US citizen and I think its sad that I have more pride in this country than a lot of people I know who were actually born here.
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A direct by-product of all of the political bickering. Ultimately it is the decision of the administrators on how to deal with these issues if at all
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I buy USA made tools because tools are about the last thing still made in the states. I try, extremely hard to buy all USA made products. Somethings I just have no choice. Funny this should come up, a co worker big time union guy used to ***** about working for ELJER when they shut down and moved to china. Yet he could give two shits about Craftsman tools being made in Taiwan now as long as they still have the guarantee. Apparently he is too stupid to understand the correlation. People like to point out that diehard buy USA made products people do in fact own foreign made products, but I simply do not have choice on some products. Its people who don't care that destroy USA manufacturing jobs.
Absolutely.. Unfortunately only 1 party is Crying about it... I went back and read your Carlye thread.
Here is a LINK. I really dont see what the problem is, Are Members not allowed to ask where the Coo is? The only thing i can figure is that you where dissapointed that Not everyone was "Ectatic" with your Purchase and in the End why does it matter... It was your money and Your Choice.
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You also forgot that I told someone to eat their **** after I got called a liar for simply buying something.
I am not basing my call over a single thread so therefore your assertions presume to much and are incorrect.
The rhetoric here has gotten extreme, produces nothing of value and left unchecked will degrade this forum from its intended purpose.
Ultimately it's up to the administrators, not you and I, on how to address this if at all
If i had a choice between two products of equal quality from Europe/USA and Taiwan/China i would go with European/USA even if it was more expensive because i dont like to support the Far eastern economy, from a personal point of view i like the fact that a European/American worker made a quality product to support their family, from a political point of view i avoid Chinese products were i can because is waging an economic war against the west in an attempt to undermine our economies by devaluing their currency and flooding the global market with inferior products that in many cases are manufactured at a loss purely to undermine western manufacturers, not to mention the fact that they actively steal intelectual property of companies that manufacture there, companies like Irwin who sell out for increased profits, having said that some of the tools coming out of Taiwan are of excellent quality on a par and in some cases better than European/American products. I dont have a problem buying Taiwanese tools, at least they are not a dictatorship that is trying to cynically undermine our economies.
Rant over.
Rant over.
I agree with this 100%, I think if more people understood this our economy and the country overall would be in much better shape
No doubt you are E-tough.. Well Kinda.. The whole "Will the Mods please step in" thing kinda ruined it for you.
Obviously the Mods have already spoken.. Again.. You have Complained multiple times in the "Carlye" threads about people discussing the COO in the Threads. I still havent seen anything Derogatory in the Discussions....
netcaretaker
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I have found that is not "made in the US" that makes me buy something as much as how much something holds it's value. Craftsman, Mac, Matco, they all do not have as good of resale as snap-on, so I try and buy snap-on when I can. I do have all the other brands and they are very good tools, but when it comes to selling something, and I do sell stuff, I like snap-on. I also drive a honda that has deprecated less then 35% in 5 years, for the exact same reason.
I agree 100%. Aside from the $200 computer I'm typing on (and the wireless router it's connected to), I'd be hard pressed to find much in the way of non-US items in my house. A few luxury items (fancy hand tools, musical instruments, firearms) are made in Europe.
My answer on a lot of the stuff that's hard to find is to buy vintage. In a lot of cases, bed linens for instance, NOS is much higher quality anyway.
JerseyBoatBuilder
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Other than electronics everything else you can possibly need is still made in a America you just have to look for it.
http://www.madeinusa.org/
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/
http://americanmadeyes.com/
http://www.madeinusa.org/
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/
http://americanmadeyes.com/
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I've found that you can often find USA or first world goods if you do a little research before you buy. Sometimes the USA made goods will be aimed at commercial uses and too expensive for a regular consumer, but there are still a lot of USA made products to buy.
So, I buy USA when I can. I try to avoid Chinese stuff for a variety of reasons I won't get into.
Do a little google work before you shop, you can find some affordable, USA made clothing options for a lot of things. Also, Dickies and Carhartt are now mostly outsourced. I went to a big work clothes place recently. I don't think Dickies have really any USA made stuff any more. Carhartt has some USA made hats, and that was all I saw at the store I went to.
Check out Texas Jeans and other companies. I also have USA made shoes, belts, shirts and some other clothes.
IMO, you're being too sensitive about the COO comments in the threads about Carlyle tools. The tools are new and pricey, so people wanted to share their opinions about them. A few members are clearly trolls, but overall I don't think the comments went too far.
There are lots of us who want to see pics of the Carlyle tools, even if we choose not to buy them. POST MORE PICS, PLEASE!
So, I buy USA when I can. I try to avoid Chinese stuff for a variety of reasons I won't get into.
Clothes??.......Yep....screwed again...unless you wear Dickies or Carhardt....and that ain't no guarantee...lookit at Levi's.....
Do a little google work before you shop, you can find some affordable, USA made clothing options for a lot of things. Also, Dickies and Carhartt are now mostly outsourced. I went to a big work clothes place recently. I don't think Dickies have really any USA made stuff any more. Carhartt has some USA made hats, and that was all I saw at the store I went to.
Check out Texas Jeans and other companies. I also have USA made shoes, belts, shirts and some other clothes.
IMO, you're being too sensitive about the COO comments in the threads about Carlyle tools. The tools are new and pricey, so people wanted to share their opinions about them. A few members are clearly trolls, but overall I don't think the comments went too far.
There are lots of us who want to see pics of the Carlyle tools, even if we choose not to buy them. POST MORE PICS, PLEASE!
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d_rock said:
Oh?
Exactly. It may be easy to generalize and assume that if we buy one Chinese item (IE, our computer), we're filling our homes with thousands of other Asian items as well. Not necessarily.
Tools are just one example. I'll keep buying US made tools as long as I can. Hardware? Have to search for it but its there. Clothes? Tougher yet, but they're available. Cars? My new GM car was assembled in Ohio with an engine and transmission made in USA and even some parts made just down the road from me in Effingham IL. As long as options are available, I'm going with a quality American item over a Chinese one every time.
Well said, its about doing your research, i had a sad experiance with a British tool maker recently where i called them up to confirm COO of some of their products, they told me all their wrenches were made in England but they couldnt disclose where the rest of their tools were sourced, needless to say they didnt get any of my money domestic manufacturing or not.
RangerDaleXp
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Three out of Four is Correct.....
You must be employed, and secure about it. -- I am a independent contractor, but not as secure about it.
We are both really lucky to be employed, because our products/services have a market. Also, your job and my job has not been sold-out.
-- We both know numerous good, hard working, people that aren't so lucky.
Some employed people are slow learners ..and from their bubble, they are kinda not aware of COOs shifting.. so these firm COO reminders are valuable ..everywhere.
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