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I emailed a mod about the problem. I was advised to make this thread so that others on here know about the situation that occurred over the past month with another forum member.

In the end I was refunded but I am out 40 bucks still and all the time and energy it took to track down said member. As many know I buy tools and sell them all over the world. I am not the biggest seller but I probably am in the top 10 in buying on this forum. I quit selling in the classifieds for many reasons, not just the new format, but due to sellers not shipping the items in a timely fashion. Ask around, you will see if purchased from me you have it in 3 days or less!

Okay onto the situation that occurred. I sent a pm inquiring about a snap on screwdriver set and a cornwell scraper set from member goodoleboy.

After a couple of pm exchanges I sent him 83 bucks. PP non gift. He sends back a pm stating the ship costs and pp fees were not paid in full and wanted another 2.54 sent. I read his ad, had several friends on here read it and they came to the same conclusion as I did, that it was paid in full. However I pm him and let him know that, and if it not work for him to refund. He refunds the payment that evening. I was surprised but none the less let him know that if he did not sell them my offer of 80 bucks plus 3.00 fees was still a standing and valid offer.

That same evening late at night, I get a pm to re send the funds and he would send the tools. So I send the funds a second time. Over 2 weeks go by without even a message about anything. No email. No PM. No phone call.
I began to wonder if I am getting scammed here. I finally track him down by phone. I leave a message for him at his home. Almost a week goes by no return call. I finally call again after more time. He states that he promises to ship the tools, and he will toss in either 5 bucks or some MAC TOOLS screwdrivers for the inconvenience for the time. He swears to me on about 7 occasions that he can guarantee to ship the tools by Tuesday.
I tell him I am waiting on these for a client, and that it is very important to get them to me.

Well a week goes by. Mail from him to me takes 2 days max! Nothing, no emails no calls, no pm's. So I am trying to contact him again.

Out of the blue I get a pp refund for the 83 bucks. But I had to have a cornwell truck deliver a set of scrapers that I paid full price for to the client's shop instead of the set for less money that I did in fact buy from goodoleboy.

So, I got my 83 bucks back, but it cost me 40 bucks in the end to deal with this clown. This is a direct copy and paste of his mis spelled message regarding the pp refund>>>



assORRY UNABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE OSTOFFICE REFUNDING EVERYTHING

I am not a bank! I do not make loans for the month! I paid for the tools, twice I might add, and you failed to ship them at all let alone in a timely matter. I told you I would warn people about this transaction and so I am.

If you deal with him (goodoleboy) just keep this all in mind.

Thank You. Syndicate.
 
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Might want to put the name in bold to make it stand out - I had to skim it twice to get the seller's name...
 

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What a lazy sleaze. At least he gave you the money back. Sorry you had to go through that mesa but thanks for warning the rest of us!
 

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Scammers and crooks are getting to be all to common now on the classified.
Should probably be shut down permanently to protect everyone.
 

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So you made a promise to another buyer for something you didn't have instock? Just trying to understand.
 
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Scammers and crooks are getting to be all to common now on the classified.
Should probably be shut down permanently to protect everyone.

Believe it or not, I did mention this to the mod that I emailed. I said I would rather see the classifieds shut down, rather than the past months transaction problems happen to others. And from some of the other threads I have read, it is in fact a problem, I am not the only one. Well at least I got the original 83 back. I hope everyone has smooth transactions, but I see that there are some that just can not follow through.
 
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So you made a promise to another buyer for something you didn't have instock? Just trying to understand.

A client emailed me goodolboy's ad and said buy this for me. I sell this shop several tools. I do not scan the site anymore to buy items, or maybe you missed that up at the top.

So, no I did not promise anyone anything. I said I would buy them. To keep this client happy, I paid with cc on the cornwell truck to deliver a new set.
 

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A client emailed me goodolboy's ad and said buy this for me. I sell this shop several tools. I do not scan the site anymore to buy items, or maybe you missed that up at the top.

So, no I did not promise anyone anything. I said I would buy them. To keep this client happy, I paid with cc on the cornwell truck to deliver a new set.

I see, I missed that above.

I would agree the lack communication and the long time to refund seems wrong. I seem to think I bought from this seller with no issue, but can't remember.
 
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I see, I missed that above.

I would agree the lack communication and the long time to refund seems wrong. I seem to think I bought from this seller with no issue, but can't remember.

It is true maybe he has had other transactions that may have panned out. I, however, am more angry about the communication lack of it, and the fact he promised to ship them. I call the client Monday night and told him your scrapers will be in on Wednesday. I look like a horses behind due to not having them Wednesday. So I do the right thing, as I have had this shop as a client almost 2 yrs now. I get the cornwell guy on the horn, pay for them, and he gets them Friday instead of Wednesday. He is happy they are new, but the fact is I still look stupid.
 

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That *****, sorry to hear your deal went that bad. I am not new to the site just never created a name, more browsed, but I know the couple things ive sold I shipped the very next day as I would expect close to that back. Anything over a week IMO is a problem. I can tell you that I atleast see less issues with classifieds in this forum then most, and I hope it stays that way I HATE CRAIGSLIST! this is so much better for good tools. Again what happened *****!
 

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SELLER HERE I got a nice pm from a mod about this thread but wanted to wait a week before i responded..This guy is not telling the entire story.No one scammed you. In fact you tried to scam me buy not paying the entire listed shipping amount I had listed.. But I did what you asked and sent a refund that time. Then you kept sending pm's about how you were correct in your standing of not paying the shipping prices clearly listed chalked it up and said fug it and said ill pay $2.50 or whatever you refused to pay for shipping..No confusion in my ad post a link to let our peers decide.

How did I scam you? i never removed the money on Saturday when I spoke to you I said I would ship on tuesday, I was not able to ans refunded your money on Thursday.

I admit I wish I handled this transaction differently, and put my foot down, never responding to any of his Pm's after he refused to pay the listed shipping price, no confusion in it was listed as $10 for one item, or buy all 3 shipping is $14..But kinda like when dealing with your nagging wife, we let things slide. Though I will admit I have been slow shipping before but always make up for it with expedited shipping

Go ahead and call me names like scammer ect, but Check your integrity before you even begin to berate mine.

Oh I told you also pay with a check even a personal check, paypal is fine if you want to pay the fees or use gift option, you refused.
 
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i never removed the money on Saturday when I spoke to you I said I would ship on tuesday, I was not able to ans refunded your money on Thursday.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm curious as to why you weren't able to send him the merchandise?

If you thought what he sent was not enough, IMMEDIATELY refund and say no deal.

In the end, you did agree to the terms because you hadn't yet refunded the $ and promised to ship it by Tuesday. No matter how you felt about it money changed hands, and the deal was done. Just because you left the $ in your PayPal account doesn't mean it wasn't taken from his account.

There have been plenty of times when I've sold something, and got a serious case of Seller's Remorse, or was made a higher offer by a different person, but a deal is a deal, and I sent the item to the original buyer.
 
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SELLER HERE I got a nice pm from a mod about this thread but wanted to wait a week before i responded..This guy is not telling the entire story.No one scammed you. In fact you tried to scam me buy not paying the entire listed shipping amount I had listed.. But I did what you asked and sent a refund that time. Then you kept sending pm's about how you were correct in your standing of not paying the shipping prices clearly listed chalked it up and said fug it and said ill pay $2.50 or whatever you refused to pay for shipping..No confusion in my ad post a link to let our peers decide.

How did I scam you? i never removed the money on Saturday when I spoke to you I said I would ship on tuesday, I was not able to ans refunded your money on Thursday.

I admit I wish I handled this transaction differently, and put my foot down, never responding to any of his Pm's after he refused to pay the listed shipping price, no confusion in it was listed as $10 for one item, or buy all 3 shipping is $14..But kinda like when dealing with your nagging wife, we let things slide. Though I will admit I have been slow shipping before but always make up for it with expedited shipping

Go ahead and call me names like scammer ect, but Check your integrity before you even begin to berate mine.

Oh I told you also pay with a check even a personal check, paypal is fine if you want to pay the fees or use gift option, you refused.

Your a ******* LIAR. I WILL POST IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS ALL THE PMS WORD FOR WORD!

I will show you some decency and not post your personal information like your email or phone. But I will post what happened.

I sent you 1 PM so do not say I kept sending you pms.
I NEVER SCAMMED YOU DUDE! I OFFERED 80 bucks and then offered to cover the fees. EVERYONE WILL SEE THIS WHEN I POST THE PMS
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CALL ME A SCAMMER AND GET AWAY WITH IT A$$!

What did I refuse to pay? I made an offer as all will see. Furthermore, You state that I did not pay the fees. I did.

You are a piece of work. Rather than get the thread locked down with threats an insults I will post the facts! Coming up is all the pms word for word
and as stated, Your personal info will not be shown, like email, or address but the rest will.
 
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Sorry for the delay I forgot to send the tools I can try and send them out tuesday and refund you $5 or refund the entire payment..Let me know how to proceed btw I tired retunring your call I guess you called but left no messgae I didnt know who it was my wife answerred so I knew =who it was and called back.

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I am very fair person also. My costs are spelled out and I offered to take a personal check,almost no one evens offers to do that anymore so you would have no paypal fees.

The $14 says clearly to me at least "SHIPPING CAN BE COMBINED, buy an additional set or all 3 sets listed and all can be shipping for $14."

I guess I got kinda distrubed about it and let it get the best of me..We are Okies not some weenies who are gonna let $2.52 ruin our day..

If you like, re send the payment ill send it out.

Sorry if I sounded rude and I truly apologize. I have a good rep here as you do also..

Tom

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Hi, I said I would combine shipping costs, in the same sentence it spells out the costs $14 is the combined costs (not eliminate the costs for one set of items)..

Your paypal payment has been refunded..I assumed the $80 you listed was the correct total.Most people do not try to renegotiate the costs after they say they will take an item..Or it was a misread on your part, eitherway we both made the same mistake and misread..

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Hi I checked the paypal balance its short $3.52 the total is $86.52 with fees..I got $83 in your payment..

Total for tools with shipping as listed $84
PP fees $2.52




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Hi,

I will take the Snap on and the Cornwell sets. I see you are in OK. Where? I am OKC and if you are near I can pick them up.

If you are too far then ship them I reckon, so send me a pp addy and I will get them paid. Thanks.
Hi, I am in claremore/owasso.. paypal is fine but would like the fees covered 3%, or perosnal check will be oK also..

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I can pp you but I need an email to send the payment too. 80 shipped, the fees are less than 3 bucks and I can do that. Just send me a pp addy and I will pay it. Thank you.


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Thanks funds have been sent. You should have my addy but here it is just n case you did not see it.

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Thanks again.
I can pp you but I need an email to send the payment too. 80 shipped, the fees are less than 3 bucks and I can do that. Just send me a pp addy and I will pay it. Thank you.

That is the above email to you. You can see it in the quote. You also state that you would combine. Your items are 35 apiece so that is 70 and I made the 80 statement for the 10 combined ship costs. Further more I covered the fees.

If it is a problem then I guess you can just refund the payment back to me. Read the quotes, I said I would send 80 for the tools shipped and needed an addy. Also said I would pay the fees on the 80.
I did not try to renegotiate anything sir, I said 80 shipped. Also the way it reads is 14 for all items shipped if you take them all.
No worries, gl selling it. You will find that I am very fair, and also that I buy tons of tools here. If you change your mind because it does not sell, let me know. My offer of 80 shipped for the tools and to cover fees is a fair offer.
Hello,
I have tried to reach you by email, pm, and telephone. I hope everything is going okay for you, but if I do not here from you, I will have to file to get the funds back since I do not have the tools. I really wanted the tools for an order placed by my client, but he has since gone on the truck to buy them new. Per the last time I did reach you last weekend, you said send payment again, and you would send the tools. I did send the payment, and have not heard back from you in any way.
I also do not have the tools and mail has already been delivered today.
Please contact me on what is going on. And again, I do hope everything is alright.
L J.
 
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Per our phone conversation you said you would ship the ******* tools! You swore 7 ******* times you would ship the tools!

YOU FAILED TO ******* SHIP THE TOOLS!

YOU REFUNDED THE FUNDS

AS YOU WOULD SEE WHEN I STARTED THE THREAD THE FIRST THING I POINTED
OUT WAS THAT I DID GET THE FUNDS BACK!

I LET OTHERS DECIDE FOR THEM SELVES IF THEY WANT TO DEAL WITH A SELLER WHO
WILL PULL THE **** YOU DID!

END OF DISCUSSION!
 
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1- Why would you wait a week to respond? If it were me I would be on it immediately, as you see I am here!!!
2- If you are going to make any accusations have the proof to back it up. I do have proof by your words in your pms.
3- I never said you scammed me. Check your friggen eye balls and get glasses if you need them. You will see that " I was wondering if I was going to be scammed".
4- As my original post stated I am not a loan shark!
5- Whether you feel I tried not to send the proper amount or whether I thought I did send the proper amount, is a moot point. The "facts of the matter", is the fact you stated just that, then refunded. I let you know with "1 pm not several as you state", that I got the refund, and that you would see that I am a very fair person, and "that if you change your mind, the offer of 80 + 3 for fees still stood".
6- You pm'd me back and said we had a deal by stating, " we are okies, and need not haggle over 2.54 and that I should resend the funds".
7- I did resend the funds. Made sure you had my addy and expected the tools.

Upon not receiving them in 2-1/2 weeks is when I began to " wonder if I was getting scammed", seeing how you are less than 120 miles from me.

Those are the facts, that can not be disputed. Say what you want.

I have been in business for over 15 yrs. Never scammed 1 person and will defend my business, and my name, till the death like a one eyed honey badger surrounded by a room full of snakes!!!!! :thefinger
 
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm curious as to why you weren't able to send him the merchandise?

If you thought what he sent was not enough, IMMEDIATELY refund and say no deal.

In the end, you did agree to the terms because you hadn't yet refunded the $ and promised to ship it by Tuesday. No matter how you felt about it money changed hands, and the deal was done. Just because you left the $ in your PayPal account doesn't mean it wasn't taken from his account.

There have been plenty of times when I've sold something, and got a serious case of Seller's Remorse, or was made a higher offer by a different person, but a deal is a deal, and I sent the item to the original buyer.

I too have had those same situations. Both buyers and sellers remorse from time to time.

I have over paid for tools thinking I would make a profit, sat on them too long and in the end sold them for a loss. Part of the business and I consider those a learning experience.

I do like your class, and your style. Because when a deal is made whether it be by a handshake, a mans word, or a nod from an auctioneer, no matter what, at the end of the day it is a deal! :beer:
 
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm curious as to why you weren't able to send him the merchandise?

If you thought what he sent was not enough, IMMEDIATELY refund and say no deal.

In the end, you did agree to the terms because you hadn't yet refunded the $ and promised to ship it by Tuesday. No matter how you felt about it money changed hands, and the deal was done. Just because you left the $ in your PayPal account doesn't mean it wasn't taken from his account.

There have been plenty of times when I've sold something, and got a serious case of Seller's Remorse, or was made a higher offer by a different person, but a deal is a deal, and I sent the item to the original buyer.

Yes this is what it is about more than anything. He stated they would ship after a deal had been made and never did.

/\//\/\/\/\/\THIS is what I wanted folks to know and THE reason I contacted a mod and made this thread!
 

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Looks like a crook, smells like a crook, probably is! I will never deal with a person like this and I hope the word gets out to protect other buyers from people doing **** like this in the future! I think this thread is great, let's keep spreading the word on those who fail to hold up their side of the deal and make sure no one buys from them again. Eventually they will go away!!!
 
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So wait... after all of this.... Is anyone out any money or tools?

40 bucks yes. And you can say what you want about the 40. Point is a deal was made and the member in question took his sweet *** time with my money to figure out he could not make it to the post office and never replied to any messages until I tracked down his address and then was able to find out where he was and phone him.

So do ya see a point now? Or would you like people like that roaming your forum and treating folks just like that to everyone?
 
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Life is too short to get worked up over little things.... it ***** that the seller was slow on shipping, also sounds like there was some confusion in the beginning.


I get mad when eBay sellers use keyword spamming to promote there listings, if your selling snap on... My search for Cornwell shouldnt take me to listings.
 

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40 bucks yes. And you can say what you want about the 40. Point is a deal was made and the member in question took his sweet *** time with my money to figure out he could not make it to the post office and never replied to any messages until I tracked down his address and then was able to find out where he was and phone him.

So do ya see a point now? Or would you like people like that roaming your forum and treating folks just like that to everyone?

I waite a week to post becuase I chose to, no reason I just said "ill wait aawhile and post"
I am not going to bicker with you but I see a few lies that are blatant and you slectivly editing/leaving out stuff in the pm's.

You making a promise to a 3rd party for undelivered goods is not my fault you lost $40, should have waited until you got them, like I should have been more confident in being able to ship timely totally my fault on not shipping quickly, but you selling them without having the item on hand is bad practice for a few reasons. How can you accurately sell then describe an item for sale without even seeing them in person?

You also for get to say I asked you when we spoke I can refund your money ASAP give you some free identical mac screwdrivers, or partial cash refund and tools sent But wanted to speak first before I did anything and sent them..

You called & spoke to my Lady and she asked if I could you back I was at work. You said "no" well I called you back anyway left a message, no return call, so i tried back the next day and spoke with you.I had to track you down to speak with you. The day i saw your PM here was the day i called and left the first message.

Really the KEY ISSUES which are my fault ARE simply I should have sent it out that Friday, I waited 5-6 days,then I said I would have it out on tuesday, I could not, and refunded the cash thursday..Period......

I cant believe you made and are making such a big deal over this..


Some people are wound up a little tighter than others I guess you are one of them, not being insulting btw I use to be the same way..
 
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Life is too short to get worked up over little things.... it ***** that the seller was slow on shipping, also sounds like there was some confusion in the beginning.


I get mad when eBay sellers use keyword spamming to promote there listings, if your selling snap on... My search for Cornwell shouldnt take me to listings.

I was selling both cornwell, snap on, and mac items in the same thread..You actually have bought things from hiball a small 3/8 wright ratchet i think, how you like it..I regret selling that one.
 

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I was selling both cornwell, snap on, and mac items in the same thread..You actually have bought things from hiball a small 3/8 wright ratchet i think, how you like it..I regret selling that one.

I remember that transaction... Have you shipped my ratchet yet?















Lol.. Seriously though, that was a awesome deal... Something like $10 bucks shipped. A++ on our transaction. I think some people forget that the classifieds are here for the membership, I'm not saying it against the law to make a few bucks moving some goods... God knows I've bought and sold 1000ks of dollars worth of stuff over the years. Maybe I've been lucky, I've never had a bad transaction either as a buyer or seller. The best thing is "communication" it's common for people to be Leary when they buy something online and it hasn't shown up etc... Another reason I like PayPal, when I print my shipping label they automatically forward a email to the buyer with the confirmation/tracking.
 
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This section is to leave feedback about transactions. While some, constructive posts by members not involved is probably fine, it seems that some are in here just to goof around. No point in that.
 
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I am not going to bicker with you but I see a few lies that are blatant is.

You making a promise to a 3rd party for undelivered goods is not my fault you lost $40, should have waited until you got them, like I should have been more confident in being able to ship timely. How can you accurately sell then describe an item for sale without even seeing them in person?

You called & spoke to my Lady and she asked if I could you back I was at work. You said "no" well I called you back anyway left a message, no return call, so i tried back the next day and spoke with you.

Really the KEY ISSUES which are my fault ARE simply I should have sent it out that Friday, I waited 5-6 days,then I said I would have it out on tuesday, I could not, and refunded the cash thursday..Period......

I cant believe you made and are making such a big deal over this..


Some people are wound up a little tighter than others I guess you are one of them, not being insulting btw I use to be the same way..

There are no lies.
I called left a message. I never got any message back from you. I have 3 tele's that I use none of which show any messages from you.
I made no promise dude! You need to read the thread. Apparently you CAN NOT and thus that is where in lies the problem.
A client sent me your ad. If you would have read the thread you would have seen it!

As far as making a big deal you see it that way. You failed on a deal period.
That is a big deal. You swore you would ship it, yet you did not.
Not contacting me in any way is another problem.
I had to track you down. I should not of had to.
Without getting the thread locked down, from all the other responses.
I asked a mod what I should do and was pointed to make a thread in this section.


You are an *** hat of the highest regard!

Karma is a real mother some times. You call me a scammer and a liar.
I have not lied about anything. Never! SO you can go FOAD!

As far as I am concerned people know what happened, and they can take what they want from the situation.

I will continue what I do, and you can too.
Just I won't be apart of it!

It has nothing to do with being wound tight. It has to do with someone, (YOU), not following through with what A, you said you would, B, not communicating, C, swearing it would ship, and not!

I have not called you a liar. I have not called you a scammer.

So unless you have proof, shut the **** up about calling me that.
Because I do not and won't stand for it!
 

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Life is too short to get worked up over little things.... it ***** that the seller was slow on shipping, also sounds like there was some confusion in the beginning.


I get mad when eBay sellers use keyword spamming to promote there listings, if your selling snap on... My search for Cornwell shouldnt take me to listings.

No one is out any cash between the two of us..He may have made promises to others and out money for his words but I corrected the situation the best I could, even though I may have been wrong and I could not ship like I said on that day.
 

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There are no lies.
I called left a message. I never got any message back from you. I have 3 tele's that I use none of which show any messages from you.
I made no promise dude! You need to read the thread. Apparently you CAN NOT and thus that is where in lies the problem.
A client sent me your ad. If you would have read the thread you would have seen it!

As far as making a big deal you see it that way. You failed on a deal period.
That is a big deal. You swore you would ship it, yet you did not.
Not contacting me in any way is another problem.
I had to track you down. I should not of had to.
Without getting the thread locked down, from all the other responses.
I asked a mod what I should do and was pointed to make a thread in this section.


You are an *** hat of the highest regard!

Karma is a real mother some times. You call me a scammer and a liar.
I have not lied about anything. Never! SO you can go FOAD!

As far as I am concerned people know what happened, and they can take what they want from the situation.

I will continue what I do, and you can too.
Just I won't be apart of it!

It has nothing to do with being wound tight. It has to do with someone, (YOU), not following through with what A, you said you would, B, not communicating, C, swearing it would ship, and not!

I have not called you a liar. I have not called you a scammer.

So unless you have proof, shut the **** up about calling me that.
Because I do not and won't stand for it!

Dude you need to get laid..Besides the lies your posting..Why would I lie, i already admitted I didnt do what i should have done..Why only tell partial truths now?

Swearing I would ship it? I simply said I would ship it tuesday, you said can you ship it monday. I said nope gonna be tuesday. You make it sound like you were a cop catching me to get out of a ticket.

Evidence, our posts are evidence enough for the people..The eye rolling comments were not meant for me my friend.
 
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STFU before this goes too far! I posted every pm that should speak for it self. I do not want any more of your bull ****! Do not call me a liar because I have not lied.
 

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STFU before this goes too far! I posted every pm that should speak for it self. I do not want any more of your bull ****! Do not call me a liar because I have not lied.

You have my contact info if you like to meet with me for coffee and speak..

So dont threaten me, sweetheart...
 
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Well, once the stage of vague threats has been reached, it's time to shut things down. I'd suggest throttling back a bit, unless neither of you has family, friends, jobs, freedoms that you risk to lose by letting this get out of hand.
 
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