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BJ42LX

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I've got a Reed 104. What color should I paint it? What color did these come from the factory? Other suggestions?

As you can see it's got a dark red on there now. I'm pretty sure it's not factory as there's a decent coat of patina underneath (read: rust).

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BJ - Most of the Reeds that I have seen are a flat to semi gloss black finish...my 104 and 3C were black and original finishes

Gregthor -excellent vise!! it sure does remind me of a Craftsman from years ago

Autopts - so does a person keep the vise in the fridge or the freezer to keep it fresh?
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This is my first post...I just felt compelled to share a few of my vises....tool collection being one of them..lol

My first quality vise came to my small shop about 12 years ago, and was a closeout deal from Lee Valley Tools in Vancouver.... my trusty SQ6 Record still made in Sheffield, England for $99 bones, regular $200! Has been a fantastic workhorse, and the centerpiece of "the lab".View media item 25453 I had heard rumour at the time that Record had been bought out by Rubbermaid....as illogical as that sounds, so quickly snapped up one of the last examples of quality steel that I thought would be available. I understand now that Irwin/Record is the new gen., and sadly have been farmed out to Chinese production.

Just 2 weeks ago, I was delighted to come across what appeared to be a very old, but still very workable Record No.4 vise with the words "Made in England" still proudly poking thru a few layers of bizarre paint choices.
View media item 25445The 80 year old gentleman who was selling off all his worldly possession in favour of condo living, had a blanket over it during his garage sale. A short successful scuffle over pricing...and it was mine! His comment..."if you can get it off the bench....it's yours" was not too off-putting at first, until I realized that he had already sold ALL of his wrenches...lol After finding a too big rusty pipe wrench and some destroyed water pump pliers in the area, and a lengthly tussle with the square nuts underneath, I hauled it's grimy bulk to my waiting SUV. It was noticeable heavier than it looked, and under the ******, I could see a cast in patent number!! Bingo....v. old vise score!View media item 25447
I made the purchase primarily thinking of a good friend in Bellingham, WA who has just put together a massive shop, still barebones and uncluttered by benches or anything really..and thought....he needs a good vise for a shop-warming.

Innocently, I thought I would just scrape off a thick dribble of house paint...which ended up in a 20 hour restoration and parts hunt! I did not snap a shop before tearing it down, but share some pics during and after rebuild and paint. More posts to follow....running long...lolView media item 25446View media item 25448View media item 25452
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Autopts - so does a person keep the vise in the fridge or the freezer to keep it fresh?
Craig

I think "Banjo Saves The Day" sent it. He's got my e-mail address! My guess is with the Frosted Flakes.
 

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Okay, here is the Reed 4C I'm currently restoring. Getting the bolt out of the base was a major pain. Took a lot of oil, heat, patience, loss of patience, welding, and an impact gun... lol... I took a little piece of angle-iron and welded it to a large nut. Then after heating up the bolt in the base and soaking it with oil and letting it sit for a few I took the impact gun and tried to loosen it. No go... But it did tighten a little, then I was able to loosen a little, tighten, loosen, and eventually got it out all the way. No damage to the threads, just a lot of crud...

I'll take some more pics as I assemble and compare to pre-cleaned parts. But I wanted to show off the lettering as I just finished it. I used Rustoleum Hammered Gray for the color, and a Sharpie Black Oil-Based paint pen to do the lettering. I think it turned out rather nice for my first time.

Some parts (like the handle) I'm going to leave its natural patina. Others I cleaned off because it was just a ton of rust and crud. The pipe-jaws and regular jaws I'll probably leave alone, they looked pretty good.
 

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Here is a Desmond Simplex 43-P I'm also working on. The slide was rusted in place gooood. Took a lot of cleaning and penetrating oil. Eventually I was able to close it all the way via the handle. Then to open it back up I had to take a piece of brass bar and a little sledge and banged on the base to open it back up and get it apart. I was careful not to cause any damage... :)

The person before me broke the collar, no doubt trying to get it open. I used some JB Weld to put it back together. I'm probably going to drill & tap a couple holes from the top down and some screws with red loctite to hold it all good. Then I can cut off the top and grind them flush. It's probably overkill but at least then I know it's solid.

The top of the dynamic jaw was a little worn away, the cast part, not the jaw inserts. Also it looks like someone drilled a small hole in the front of the dynamic jaw face. I filled both with JB Weld and sanded them smooth. This was purely cosmetic and thankfully didn't require *that* much filler. I could of left it as-is, but everything else on the vise was so nice... It would of been like that perfect classic car with the one little scratch on the door... The static side looks a lot better condition... Probably won't mess with any JB weld on it.

Both parts of the vise were stamped with "1-40" and "21" on the bottom. I haven't cleaned the base off yet, still trying to get the screws out of the jaw inserts. Will report what I find once it's cleaned good if there are any more stampings. I'm *assuming* it means it was cast January 1940??? The number 21 might be the date or possibly just a serial number to keep the two halves together? Can anyone confirm or deny this? I don't know when Desmond Stephan Co was in business exactly so....
 

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Nice job Jason! Looks like the vise was in pretty good shape when you started, not all beat up. Great job on the lettering.

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Here's a couple of crappy pics of my favorite vise. I will try to get pics of my other vises the next time I get out to the shop...

Has anyone seen one like it?

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Picked up a Sheldon today...

Nice use of a screwdriver....

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UMD for scale:

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Mounts under a bench:

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The other jaws:

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The wooden jaws are an easy replacement, but one steel jaw is AWOL & the screws are sheared off & the one jaw that is there has one screw sheared off...

Right then, so what do we know about this vise?
 

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Here's a couple of crappy pics of my favorite vise. I will try to get pics of my other vises the next time I get out to the shop...

Has anyone seen one like it?

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I'm pretty sure that's a Stephens rapid vise. The slide has a small gear rack on the side that is engaged/disengaged when the lever on the side of the vise is pulled.

Those are really neat vises but i have yet to find one or see one in person.
 

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Picked up a Sheldon today...

Nice use of a screwdriver....

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Mounts under a bench:

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The other jaws:

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The wooden jaws are an easy replacement, but one steel jaw is AWOL & the screws are sheared off & the one jaw that is there has one screw sheared off...

Right then, so what do we know about this vise?

Its strange looking, painted green and missing a jaw insert:D

Cool vise ZRX. You know how i come across my vises but i have yet to figure out how you keep finding these unique ones. Maybe a jaw insert of a different brand can be substituted?
 

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Picked up a Sheldon today...


UMD for scale:

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The wooden jaws are an easy replacement, but one steel jaw is AWOL & the screws are sheared off & the one jaw that is there has one screw sheared off...

Right then, so what do we know about this vise?

And I like this one also! great score! :beer:
 

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BJ42LX & Catalyze – Thanks for the kinds words about the ERON vise resto.

Speedway – I have a vise very similar to yours. I picked it up a year or two ago at an auction. I know absolutely nothing about it. Maybe your post will help us draw out some info. On mine the dynamic jaw is spring loaded to close when the lever is in the back position. Then to tighten the jaw, you move the lever out toward you to lock the jaw. Oddly, then the handle is in the way?!?! Anyways it is on my pile of stuff to restore some day. I am a little afraid to touch it because I don’t want to break the spring.
Greg

In this position the dynamic jaw is being held closed by spring
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I am pointing at spring here (vise is upside down)
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The dynamic jaw has fine teeth here
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Speedway and Gregthor, here's a bit of info on the Stephens vise. I believe it's what you both have. Fisher made a similar one, but the bottom of the front jaw had a different shape.
 

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Here is a Desmond Simplex 41-P I'm also working on. The slide was rusted in place gooood. Took a lot of cleaning and penetrating oil. Eventually I was able to close it all the way via the handle. Then to open it back up I had to take a piece of brass bar and a little sledge and banged on the base to open it back up and get it apart. I was careful not to cause any damage... :)

The person before me broke the collar, no doubt trying to get it open. I used some JB Weld to put it back together. I'm probably going to drill & tap a couple holes from the top down and some screws with red loctite to hold it all good. Then I can cut off the top and grind them flush. It's probably overkill but at least then I know it's solid.

The top of the dynamic jaw was a little worn away, the cast part, not the jaw inserts. Also it looks like someone drilled a small hole in the front of the dynamic jaw face. I filled both with JB Weld and sanded them smooth. This was purely cosmetic and thankfully didn't require *that* much filler. I could of left it as-is, but everything else on the vise was so nice... It would of been like that perfect classic car with the one little scratch on the door... The static side looks a lot better condition... Probably won't mess with any JB weld on it.

Both parts of the vise were stamped with "1-40" and "21" on the bottom. I haven't cleaned the base off yet, still trying to get the screws out of the jaw inserts. Will report what I find once it's cleaned good if there are any more stampings. I'm *assuming* it means it was cast January 1940??? The number 21 might be the date or possibly just a serial number to keep the two halves together? Can anyone confirm or deny this? I don't know when Desmond Stephan Co was in business exactly so....



Good timing Jason! I just finished a Simplex this morning. Mine is stamped 8 - 41 with a 97 below that. Maybe it is month-year, day of production? Mine was not in that bad of shape so your hard work is certainly inspiring.

I picked up two new victims this weekend. The 6" Wilton will need some attention. I fear that someone actually bent the dynamic jaw or worse because the faces are currently shimmed with washers in order be parallel to one another.

The Rock Island seems to be okay although I have not had a chance to get a good look at it. It is missing the handle for the swivel lock so I will have to do a bit of research on that. Happy Halloween everyone.
 

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B100 - Thank you!!! you are my new vise hero!! Wow! that baby is old!! I was hoping this post would draw some info out but I didn't think I would see literature. looks like mine is a No 4"spring"

Speedway - welcome to the forum, I didn't notice this was your first post earlier
 

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Good timing Jason! I just finished a Simplex this morning. Mine is stamped 8 - 41 with a 97 below that. Maybe it is month-year, day of production? Mine was not in that bad of shape so your hard work is certainly inspiring.

I picked up two new victims this weekend. The 6" Wilton will need some attention. I fear that someone actually bent the dynamic jaw or worse because the faces are currently shimmed with washers in order be parallel to one another.

The Rock Island seems to be okay although I have not had a chance to get a good look at it. It is missing the handle for the swivel lock so I will have to do a bit of research on that. Happy Halloween everyone.

I'm currently working on 2 Craftsman vises and one of them has a problem similar to yours. The slide is rounded steel plate that has been cast into the front half of the jaw. When closed, the jaw inserts have a gap at the top so something is askew

It doesn't look bent until you try to unscrew the jaw!! Its so tight it can't be operated normally but i think i've figured out a way to fix the problem.

I'm gonna heat up the slide near the cast part and slowly bend it back in my press. Hopefully it works and i can salvage this cool looking vise. I'll let you know when i'm finished and will post the pics on here.
 

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B100 Thank you for the literature!!

Gregthor Thanks for the welcome and the info and pics of your vise!

It looks like mine is a #7 extending handle, as far as I know it does not have a return spring although it would have came in handy a few times.

Here are some marginally better pics for the guys that wanted them.

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Speedway - It looks like yours is missing a few mounting bolts holding it to the table. Probably should replace those before someone really torques on the vise, over stresses one of the mounting ears and breaks off a mounting ear that has a bolt thru it. That would be really sad! Cool vise, I like the extending handle feature.
 

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Yeah it needs more hardware, that was a temporary mount that is going on 12 years lol
As you can see it has been broken and plated at some point before I got it and I've had it for 20 years.
It is pretty stout because I have had a pipe on the handle to get more grip on a couple of things
 

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Becuase you are new here on "the vises of garage journal" I will warn you..... It is not a good idea to admit using a pipe on the handle... the vise police will give you a ticket!!!!!!!!:bounce:
 

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>>I'm pretty sure that's a Stephens rapid vise. The slide has a small gear rack on the side that is engaged/disengaged when the lever on the side of the vise is pulled.Those are really neat vises but i have yet to find one or see one in person.<<

I came upon one of these just last week, but it was slightly smaller. I'd never seen one before and I was quite fascinated by it. However, the old tool dealer wanted $175.00 for it, so I had to pass. I'm not even sure if it would be worth $150.00?

Actually, now that I look at it closely I do believe what I saw was the Fisher & Norris "Eagle" as depicted in post# 6383 above.
 
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i realize this post is really old but i was curious if you ever found a swivel base for your green littleton vise ?

I've seen many of those vises at sales & flea markets. However all of them were missing the swivel base. This picture may give you an idea on how to make your own swivel base.
 

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Here is a vise I picked up a year ago that I believe is a Stephens. It is a nice vise but has been welded back together. They must not have been very proud of their vise as there are NO markings whatsoever on it. I have a big 8 inch coming that has the same situation of no name. I cannot figure why any manufacturer back then would have left their name off the vise. I have 5 or 6 different vises this way.
 

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That is a cool vise with the spring loading. Who makes those contraptions?

Also that Sheldon is neat too. I just did a refurb of one and posted it. I would imagine one could make a jaw insert of one had a Mill or a machine shop could make one or two.

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Becuase you are new here on "the vises of garage journal" I will warn you..... It is not a good idea to admit using a pipe on the handle... the vise police will give you a ticket!!!!!!!!:bounce:

Maybe I could get a safety waiver for this one. It does have the means to vary the leverage built right into it ;)
 

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Rusty Musket - very nice blue Desmond!! I like your collection of vises but where do the dollars fall out? I see them in several of your vise photos and mine never drop dollars.

Speedway and Greg - very exciting vise designs....I could swear that someone months ago posted the link to the patent of that design....hmmm

bl00 - I can always count on your literature postings!! You can be my tool librarian any day....the pay is low but as Gateway posts: It's a dry heat
Craig
 

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I almost forgot....sheesh........these pages go so fast now....

ZRX - I am hoping that you will mount that unusual Sheldon just so I can see how it functions.....it's like a one man band doing everything

Jason - very nice work on the 4C...I know the center bolts can be a real pain to remove...there used to be a tool called a drag link socket that seemed to me to be like a big flat blade like a giant screwdriver that might work.......keep up the nice results!!
Craig
 

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Here is a vise I picked up a year ago that I believe is a Stephens. It is a nice vise but has been welded back together. They must not have been very proud of their vise as there are NO markings whatsoever on it. I have a big 8 inch coming that has the same situation of no name. I cannot figure why any manufacturer back then would have left their name off the vise. I have 5 or 6 different vises this way.


We all know that you are quite the connoisseur when it comes to large vises so it makes sense that you would want to shed those no-name "undesirable" vises from your collection:evil:

PM me first:lol:
 

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Jason - very nice work on the 4C...I know the center bolts can be a real pain to remove...there used to be a tool called a drag link socket that seemed to me to be like a big flat blade like a giant screwdriver that might work.......keep up the nice results!!
Craig

Oh sure... now you mention a drag link socket! Yeah that probably would of worked too if any place around here had those in stock, but to be honest I never knew of them before and I've never seen them till I just googled it. Pretty cool, might have to pick me up a set. Beats having to put a pair of vice grips on a screwdriver to get more torque... ;)

I've been fighting the crud these past several days sick in bed. It's just killing me because I can't finish my 4C or Desmond restorations!!! arrrghhh....
 

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Oh sure... now you mention a drag link socket! Yeah that probably would of worked too if any place around here had those in stock, but to be honest I never knew of them before and I've never seen them till I just googled it. Pretty cool, might have to pick me up a set. Beats having to put a pair of vice grips on a screwdriver to get more torque... ;)

I've been fighting the crud these past several days sick in bed. It's just killing me because I can't finish my 4C or Desmond restorations!!! arrrghhh....

Jason, I see those all the time at yard/estate sales and Flea markets. and the good news is they are cheap!
 

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Recently picked up a couple old Wiltons at a sale. The larger one is a 3" version from 1963, the smaller being the popular 2" baby Wilton from what I think is 1960-something based on the stamp. Both have the same original paint color. Enjoy!!!

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nice vises Ratchet Man! I just picked up a Wilton 656 today, not as cool as a bullet but a Wilton no doubt.

Here are the two I picked up today. Wilton 6" 656 and a Columbian A3-1/2. Anyone have any info on the Columbian?

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Here is my newest estate sale find for today. There wasn't a single sale around worth checking out and i dragged my feet going to this one since there were no pictures of the garage. Thankfully i did go because the garage was full of cool stuff and great tools for cheap.

This little Columbian D43 1/2 was still on the bench and had to bust my *** to get it free. It should come out great when its all finished.

The rest of my finds are in the garage sale thread
 

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