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Thomas, welcome back and thanks for the reply; Gus did indeed get to 'Truck Heaven'!

Your mention that the barn is both temperature and humidity controlled begs the question - what equipment do you use to accomplish both? It may have been stated in past posts, but I truly can't recall; Chris, I'm in trouble for 'The Test'! I live in a 'Tsunami Hazard Zone' so I get to deal with salt air corrosion (cold temps - not so much). I would love to find a cost effective solution for the damp air problem in my ~ 30'x70'x12' garage/apt.. If I could keep my rigs from deteriorating any further, I'm sure they would be as happy as Gus and Ray's rig are. :thumbup:
 
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WOW. Nice B series Mack. Why does it have two Dogs on the bonnet / hood ?

It really was a super truck and not one I expected to see out there. As for the multiple Dogs I'm not too sure but I suspect it was an "in the field enhancement". ;)

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Thomas, welcome back and thanks for the reply; Gus did indeed get to 'Truck Heaven'!

Your mention that the barn is both temperature and humidity controlled begs the question - what equipment do you use to accomplish both? It may have been stated in past posts, but I truly can't recall; Chris, I'm in trouble for 'The Test'! I live in a 'Tsunami Hazard Zone' so I get to deal with salt air corrosion (cold temps - not so much). I would love to find a cost effective solution for the damp air problem in my ~ 30'x70'x12' garage/apt.. If I could keep my rigs from deteriorating any further, I'm sure they would be as happy as Gus and Ray's rig are. :thumbup:

Omphaloskeptic I thought I had covered that subject about the barn but apparently not. As I'm still "on the road" I didn't bring adequate material to post about it comprehensively. I promise when I get home shortly to do a Proper Post (PP) on the matter. I trust you'll hang around till then for informative material on how I've done that and suspect you might find it useful? :dunno:

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Project next: Refurbish the Welding Table

The welding table was one of the first projects done while the shop interior was still under construction. See page 10, post #191 for a refresher on it. Since that time I've refined my projects and with the use of the internet I'm able to locate better material. I have never been happy with the casters that were on that table and decided to replace them with super smooth Blickles.

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The old casters were removed and the attachment method was going to be changed. Instead of that large plate on the bottom of the legs, smaller, thicker plates the same size as the legs will be used. You'll also see what the spare tire was used for in a moment. That's the cutoff wheel installed on the grinder, bottom left.

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Here the table legs have been marked off where they will be cut down.

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After the legs were cut down, 1/4" (.6 cm) steel plates the same size as the legs that had been drilled and tapped were then attached, much like the Portable Dirty Room - PDR - which can be seen in the background. For that matter, further in the background you can see the new grass growing in nicely through the hedge row and beyond that note the final field work has been accomplished and even further back note the new trees plated last fall...........but I digress. :eek:

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Remember that spare tire? It can be seen underneath the welding table. I used that as a lazy susan to spin the table on while I was working on it. BTW, here's a good view of the PDR hard at work. :)

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The new casters were trial fitted and...

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...the two welding platforms were checked for height differences. The tops were within a 1/16" (.2 cm) in height, close enough.

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Mr Johnson's old Reed welding vise was going to be mounted on this table so holes were drilled and nuts attached below and then it was off to the powder coaters!

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Years ago I had painted the welding table but after discovering the joy of powder coating...

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... it'll be hard for me to ever go back.

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The total expense was $80 worth right there, including taping off the top. Works for me. Rick and his crew really came through. :thumbup:

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After the new Blickle casters were attached...

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...the top needed to be cleaned up. The tape that had been used to tape off the top was removed using 3M General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner and alternating with a razor blade. Then using light pressure, an 80 grit flapper wheel attached to the grinder was used all over the top to clean off any light rust.

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This is the top where the vise will attach and...

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...from below. Nothing fancy.

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I'm much happier with the new casters, they roll much smoother, the brakes are easy on - easy off and they really do lock the wheel with no slippage at all. Visually the new attachment is much cleaner looking also.

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So this is how that welding corner looks now, just inside the front door which is to the right.

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When I do small welding projects here I place cardboard on the floor all around the table to catch welding splatters, being very mindful that cardboard is flammable. For extensive welding I roll the table outside. I don't mind the extra effort as opposed to just stepping up and welding away, letting everything fly all around in the shop, but that's just me. It would be different if I was doing more welding than I find I do.

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The welding corner in Mr. Johnson's shop circa 1968. His welding table is in the center, to the left of his Lincoln arc welder ...

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Almost the exact same view of the very same welding corner (and same Lincoln arc welder to the right!) in Mr. Johnson's shop, circa 2012, 44 years later. I still need to do a final grind/polish on the top and his Reed welding vise, seen here, is being refurbished presently. I'll get a post out about it once it's done.

Thanks everyone one for giving this little project a "look see".

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A welding table; it looks so good, it should be called the operating table! Once again, Rick and his crew came through for you. Even though the equipment is back in its original spot, I think Mr. Johnson would first put on his 'Sunday-go-to-meeting' clothes before he stepped up to use them today. lol

Thomas, you bet I'll standby for a PP on the dehumidifier. Just to make sure that I'm not afflicted with E.O.D. (Early Onset Dementia) - yet, I did a thread search for 'dehumidifier'. There were three posts mentioning it, but no pics nor details other than it was a commercial unit (and rather spendy). I'm pretty sure that the cost is warranted for a large space containing so many pristine iron-bearing possessions that you own. I'm pretty much a tightwad when it comes to most purchases, but in the salt air environment I live in, it would seem to be a cost-effective investment. Looking forward to any and all pics, posts, and performance reports you may care to share! Thanks!
 

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I love the fact that even though you have a bazillion square feet (roughly .092903 bazillion square meters :eyecrazy:) of shop and barn, you roll everything outside to modify your welding tabel.

I do the same thing. You just proved my theory that I move outside not because of a lack of space but because, in good weather, it is always:


  • [*]More enjoyable
    [*]Easier to clean up
    [*]Healthier

to work outside.​

OR did Miss Chris tell you to "take that mess outside"?

I was guessing the spare wheel was to save the slab when you flipped the table over. Lazy susan works.
 

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Thomas, welcome back and thanks for the reply; Gus did indeed get to 'Truck Heaven'!

Your mention that the barn is both temperature and humidity controlled begs the question - what equipment do you use to accomplish both? It may have been stated in past posts, but I truly can't recall; Chris, I'm in trouble for 'The Test'! I live in a 'Tsunami Hazard Zone' so I get to deal with salt air corrosion (cold temps - not so much). I would love to find a cost effective solution for the damp air problem in my ~ 30'x70'x12' garage/apt.. If I could keep my rigs from deteriorating any further, I'm sure they would be as happy as Gus and Ray's rig are. :thumbup:

At least I won't be sitting in the office by myself for not paying attention :lol:
 

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It really was a super truck and not one I expected to see out there. As for the multiple Dogs I'm not too sure but I suspect it was an "in the field enhancement". ;)

Thomas

Thomas, My 1st post on your thread, I've been lurking here for months, it's been a lot of late nites looking with amazement of the Garage that you've perserved....Keep up the good work, I can tell your garage is your passion....


Mack Trucks never built a factory pick up of a "B" model, there were some pick ups back in the late 1930's that were sold as "Mack Jr's" and were called "Baby Macks" but that was only a few years....
It apears the one here is a B model cab/front clip mounted on a late model pick up chassis, I've seen a few of them done over the years & that one looks pretty good....the rear fenders look like a early Ford perhaps?

The "twin dogs" are someones idea of custom, not factory, nor the spider web grille.....but still cool truck!

Bit of Mack history, Back in the day of the "R" model (70's 80's) there were Chrome bulldogs as well as Brass bulldogs, The trucks that had Brass bulldogs were built with an all Mack driveline, meaning Mack engine, transmission, rear axles/carriers etc...The chrome were used on chassis with "other" engine/transmissions...
 
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For those worried about being sent to the office, I'm never there, so you're off the hook - why waste both of our time? I find that motivation comes from within anyway, so if you're feeling guilty about not being able to keep up, it's certainly not my fault! I don't slow down instruction for anyone (this coming from a retired special education teacher LOL).

I notice the page/post count is accelerating - I better get busy on the self-assigned appointed task.

I'm working on the patent for that brain implant in all my spare time (that's what's keeping me sooo busy) while having an open house at my picture framing/gift shop today and tomorrow, cleaning up the back workroom and doing a bit of frame joining in between customers (and posting on GJ).

(I'm having a hard time concentrating because of the horrible news reports out of Connecticut - the tears keep coming thinking of the loss/tragedy of the event. Sorry to digress from the thread. Lots of prayers being sent from the Center of the Universe.)


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snipped..........

(I'm having a hard time concentrating because of the horrible news reports out of Connecticut - the tears keep coming thinking of the loss/tragedy of the event. Sorry to digress from the thread. Lots of prayers being sent from the Center of the Universe.)


Chris

I'm feeling the same way Chris, as I know everyone else is also. I wanted to comment on the welding table refurbishment that Thomas did such an outstanding job on. Just can't do it right now.
 
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Do the Blickle Casters come in Red???

Tools!!

Joe, the Blickle catalog (http://www.blickle.co.uk/?bcmp=adwords09&gclid=CI2uqO3RnLQCFQ0GnQodMUMAVA) is 500 pages long and it only has casters in it! They seem to group the different colors by the type of material used on the outer portion of the wheel. I picked the caster out by application first, then depending on the application there might be a couple of color choices within that application. For rubber tired casters they only come in blue as I recall. Note the green casters on the PDR, those were made of polyurethane and all polyurethane casters are green and so on.

So the short answer is yes they make red ones, but as I recall the material for red ones was inappropriate for this use. I did ask if another color could be special ordered and that's not an option. Form follows function......again. :dunno:

BTW, more tools are coming this way!!

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so here i am on page 59 and i can't stop now. only 250 plus to go. love it! found the link on the bgw golf gart site. neat stuff. not a waste of time, just a user. but then at my age what else a i going to do! oh, if i only had 1/3 of your energy. jim :thumbup:

Hi Jim and welcome to the vortex as you've discovered! I can't believe a link for this thread was on a golf cart site :wtf: that's got to be a first. But however you found your way here I'm glad you did, it's something different for sure. Good luck with your reading and remember to take notes for that all important test Chris says she'll eventually spring on everyone. :eek:

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Nice truck there. Here's a little reading about them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mack_B_series

Thomas, My 1st post on your thread, I've been lurking here for months, it's been a lot of late nites looking with amazement of the Garage that you've perserved....Keep up the good work, I can tell your garage is your passion....


Mack Trucks never built a factory pick up of a "B" model, there were some pick ups back in the late 1930's that were sold as "Mack Jr's" and were called "Baby Macks" but that was only a few years....
It apears the one here is a B model cab/front clip mounted on a late model pick up chassis, I've seen a few of them done over the years & that one looks pretty good....the rear fenders look like a early Ford perhaps?

The "twin dogs" are someones idea of custom, not factory, nor the spider web grille.....but still cool truck!

Bit of Mack history, Back in the day of the "R" model (70's 80's) there were Chrome bulldogs as well as Brass bulldogs, The trucks that had Brass bulldogs were built with an all Mack driveline, meaning Mack engine, transmission, rear axles/carriers etc...The chrome were used on chassis with "other" engine/transmissions...


Thank you both (and welcome mackwrench to you sir) for the additional information. It's so important for "those who know" to contribute like this. It really helps round out the gaps that pop up and makes the thread so much more user friendly and informative. I am in your debt. :thumbup:

Thomas
 
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I'm in Brazil at present just found out about the latest going on there in the USA...........:sad: :sad:

Thomas
 

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We are all citizens of this orb floating through space -- and we all hurt for our brothers and sisters in Connecticut. So many young souls will not get to live their lives. How does one explain such tragedy? I am buoyed, however, by the heroism of those in the teaching profession. God rest all their souls.
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We are all citizens of this orb floating through space -- and we all hurt for our brothers and sisters in Connecticut. So many young souls will not get to live their lives. How does one explain such tragedy? I am buoyed, however, by the heroism of those in the teaching profession. God rest all their souls.
Terry

While it is natural to try and explain something like this, I think the reality is that it can't be explained. Regardless of the why, the fact that there are a lot of families that have been devastated in a short amount of time makes my heart grieve for them. In our area recently a couple of teenagers were killed in an auto accident where by all accounts they were doing everything right. 10,000 turned out to honor/mourn them. Here 20+ died... The entire country is now (or should be) mourning their loss. We as a nation are poorer with their absence.

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I'm home in Philo, done flying for the month so I hope to get caught up on some of my posts here. First off this fall I was doing some clean up around the Terraplane. That reminded me how far I've come with the shop. This...

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...was it right after I bought the shop in fall of '05 and had cut enough brush so you could even see the car...

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...and here it is 7 years later.

The really remarkable thing that caught my eye was the steering wheel and how much has been covered up by that tree in 7 years.

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This is 2005. Note the steering wheel spoke at the 12:00 position.

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Now in 2012 that spoke is completely consumed by the tree. Nothing of it shows anymore. Even the rim at the top is slowly disappearing as the tree encloses it.

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Now take a look at the steering shaft back in '05. I've circled in yellow where the tree has cracked the shaft in half.

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Notice how much larger that crack is now. The tree is slowing twisting that shaft apart. Here are few more views of the car.

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It's a Carter single barrel carburetor by the way.

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Notice the intake manifold has pulled away but the gasket is still there.

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Here you can see two cracks, one on either side of the water pump housing. Maybe the antifreeze lost it's potency. :dunno:

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For sure it's a Power Dome power plant.

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See what'll happen to your car if you don't garage it! :eek:

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This...

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...was it right after I bought the shop in fall of '05 and had cut enough brush so you could even see the car...Thomas

I've heard lots of car find stories about "we found this car with a tree growing up through it". Ressurect the Teraplane, and you will top them all :thumbup:

Thanks again for pictures that show the progress. Glad you're back home.
 

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Thomas,

thank you both for your superb documentation on your awesome piece of our globe :thumbup:.
Every day I still enjoy reading about your really fantastic "journey" in carstoolsandgarageland.
I'm glad your safe home for the holidays.

Merry Christmas to you, Chris and the family from the Netherlands!

Hugo.
 
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I love the fact that even though you have a bazillion square feet (roughly .092903 bazillion square meters :eyecrazy:) of shop and barn, you roll everything outside to modify your welding tabel.

I do the same thing. You just proved my theory that I move outside not because of a lack of space but because, in good weather, it is always:


  • [*]More enjoyable
    [*]Easier to clean up
    [*]Healthier

to work outside.​

OR did Miss Chris tell you to "take that mess outside"?

I was guessing the spare wheel was to save the slab when you flipped the table over. Lazy susan works.

I've stated it before, working out under the carport is my favorite work spot. For all the reasons you've listed (I hadn't thought about the health aspect of it - good call! When you're doing a bunch of grinding there's a lot of metal filings being ejected into the air, proper breathing filtration is a must). Another good reason is even though I've got great lighting in the shop, I still think I can see better outside using natural light.

The only time Chris had a real issue was years ago before this shop when I redid some seats and I had the newly painted seat frames stored in the living room for a couple of weeks. That didn't sit so well with her........... so to speak. ;)

BTW, I did use the tire to assist when turning the table over but it's main function was to act as a lazy susan and for that it worked like a champ. :thumbup:

Thomas
 
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Came across this in Skye (on AOL). It's one of the 50 Must-See Weather Photos from 2012
"Melinda Swinford snapped this photo of a sub-supercell thunderstorm in rural Southern Champaign County near Philo, about six to eight miles away from Urbana, Ill., and uploaded it to flickr."

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Here's the link:
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Hey there Bob and thanks! Is that cool or what? It should start to be apparent to one and all that indeed, Philo is in fact...

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A Well Centered Thomas :bounce:
 

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I thought I'd add a little spice about the infamous Teraplane That just sitting there rotting away. Being a fan of older cars I hate seeing it rust away.:frown:

1933 Essex-Terraplane 8-cylinder cars were believed to have the highest horsepower-to-weight ratio of any production automobiles in the world, and were favored by several gangsters of the day, particularly John Dillenger, Baby Face Nelson, and John Paul Chase, for their lightness, acceleration, handling, and discreet appearance.
 

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I think the Hudson is doing well as a cultural artefact were it is. Very few parts left that aren't rusted far beyond rescue.
 
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And speaking of rust...

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...Mr. Johnson's No 104R Reed welding vise as seen retrieved from the tool shed.

Here's where it was found when I bought the shop.

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This picture which you've seen before is from the 1960's and here's a better one after I bought the shop from 2005.

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In both pictures the vise is mounted on his welding table and circled in yellow on the left.

It was time to finally revive it and bring it back to a useful life in the shop. That started with just oiling it up with penetrating oil and WD-40. After I could turn it and the handle was free the cleaning process was begun.

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It was partially taken apart to allow better access while cleaning it. Here the dynamic jaw lays on the welding table.

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The balls on the ends of the handle had hammer dents all over them.

Those dents were partially ground out...

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...using a 120 grit flapper wheel.

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They will then be further rounded out using emery cloth to return them to a smooth spherical shape.

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With the vise apart the 120 wheel was used over a good portion of the vise body. You can better see the rough condition the vise was in. The rust masked much of those cuts and dents. Not wishing to remove much metal most of those marks will remain but they will be less apparent now.

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On the areas where I didn't want to remove any metal, just the rust, such as the jaw faces and...

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...anywhere on the casting where there were raised letters or numbers...

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...I used a wire wheel mounted on a pedestal grinder.

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Phase I of the cleaning is now complete.

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Stand by for Phase II.

Thanks everyone for the welcome home and holiday wishes. :thumbup:

Thomas
 
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I thought I'd add a little spice about the infamous Teraplane That just sitting there rotting away. Being a fan of older cars I hate seeing it rust away.:frown:

I think the Hudson is doing well as a cultural artefact were it is. Very few parts left that aren't rusted far beyond rescue.

While I completely understand charlief1, I think magnusk got to the heart of. My feeling is, if a car has been sitting outside long enough that a tree grows such that it completely devours 1/4 of the steering wheel.......... well, I just don't think there anything left be be salvaged of it, sad as it is. :sad: Being utterly unsalvageable the Terraplane has passed on into that void referred to as "a cultural artifact"....... and so it has.

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not a speed reader for sure! only to 93. a humongus time eater. note i am not saying a waste of time. lol. i love learning stuff and you guys are providing it. thx jim :thumbup:
 
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Some more unfinished business. This year you've been able to see, more or less in real time the clean up of new property next door (formerly called Timber Haven West, now simply referred to as "The Farm" . When I first started this thread and posted the clean up of the original shop property that was all past tense work having occurred a couple of years before I started the thread.

For the farm next door, you saw it go from day one when it was purchased to...

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...when I tackled the clean up all the way through...

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..the new grass sprouting up everywhere.

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Roadside clean up...

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...and the planting of new shade trees for another generation to...

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...more clean up and then...

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...more tree planting.

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The field itself started out with volunteer plants and trees all over it from several years of neglect. After the field was cleaned up...

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...the big John Deere was brought in...

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...and final field prep work was done in preparation for planting alfalfa there next spring and the beginning of the farming operation. You got to see it all unfold from the comfort of your computer monitors, real time, during the 6 months or so that it took. I had no idea when this year started I'd own a farm, admittedly a small one but a farm none the less, at the end of the year. One never knows what each day will bring and I find that fascinating. :)

While this thread is titled Restored 1930's Auto Shop it has become much more than simply that thanks to your encouragement, support and Ryan's indulgence. :thumbup: We're closing in on the end of yet another year but I have a few posts left before we close 2012 out. I hope you'll check back to see what further adventures I gotten involved in. :dunno:

Thanks again everyone.

Thomas
 
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