Student, KRBC7TDPJJ or KRSC33APJJ

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Hello, currently in tech school and next semester will be full load and I'll acquire the Snap On student discount. I have an around 26" kennedy top and bottom for home and a craftsman 3 drawer rally box I take to school. I think my first big box for when I start working, hopefully at local Toyota dealership, will be a 44 or 56 HF. I don't want to go in debt already for just a box and I think one of them would be Ok for a little while to get me started.
Id rather fill a HF box with Snap On and some Craftsman sockets, than to fill a Snap On box with HF and Craftsman

But as far as a Snap On tool cart, they are a lot cheaper than big boxes and actually affordable for me right now. And as it would probably be used more, and gain more wear and tear than the box, I think Snap On would be perfect.

So you have a brief idea of how my setup would be, which is better? KRBC7TDPJJ (2,549 Sq. in.) or KRSC33APJJ (2,110 Sq. in.)?
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=681723&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=682109&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

And I know one is Blue Point, nothing a Snap On badge or decal can't fix, but are they made with same quality?

Or should I get a cart/cab that is fully drawered like the KRSC46GPJJ (4,392 Sq. in.) ? It is actually a good deal more expensive even with discount but if its worth it, its worth it. I just don't know
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/tools.asp?tool=storage&Group_ID=682831&store=snapon-store

And yes as you can tell, it will probably be in green. Always was a red tool and toolbox man until I saw the green **** thread. Damn you guys lol.
Any input is appreciated! Thank you in advance!!!

 

[SC-AW11]

Didn't look til now but also, COO are USA for both Snap Ons, and China for the Blue Point. Does that play a role in the quality? (Def a made in USA man)

 

[I van putski]

If you got the snap on 6 drawer cart you wouldn't need another tool box for awhile.

 

[Hanen42]

I have a HF 44" box for now. It's a nice box for the money. But if I were you unless you needed the small knick knack drawers, I'd save the extra 500 and get a KRSC46 from Snap On with your discount. Buddy of mine has one and its pretty dang sweet for just a "cart"

 

[Jure]

Didn't look til now but also, COO are USA for both Snap Ons, and China for the Blue Point. Does that play a role in the quality? (Def a made in USA man)

so BP is made in china not in taiwan??

 

[nuklbstr83]

i logged onto and looked up each of the carts you like on the student excellence website for snap on, and only KRSC33APJJ is available for purchase with the discount (comes to $425.88).

the student discount does not cover every single item in the SO catalog.

 

[SC-AW11]

Really? At a dealership you think that'd be all I need? I'm thinking about getting the fully drawred now probably. I've been watching a lot of Wheeler Dealers and I kinda like that his roll cart has a solid work surface on top. Like how he re-jetted a carb from a cobra on it. But socket storage, most people use Hansen trays on top. With only drawers what would you use?
How come nobody uses these? http://www.osh.com/eng/product/craf...rays/6662720?gclid=CPfSwJnC37QCFal7Qgod1HMAIg
I have them in my Kennedy but only negative is deeps cant stand up. I hadhave them on rails laying on their side. seems like a waste of space.

Another solid vote for 6 drawer lol. Thanks man

"Country Of Origin China" I guess?

Alright cool thank you. Haven't logged on to that site yet. I figured it wasn't every single thing but a few carts maybe. Np. Well that brings the 2 smaller carts to about same price. But getting 50% the KRSC33 would probably be better buy.

 

[AV tinker er]

Others have mentioned a fully drawered cart as a better option. I agree that getting a (as an example) KRA2007 would not be a bank breaker, is an excellent box, and would take you a while to out grow it.
Check out: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?search=true&item_ID=650986&PartNo=KRA2007&group_id=681763&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all

 

[amlv20]

I went through tech school and also had the discount.i started with a basic tool set and a 36inch classic series box on snap on credit, payments were cheap didn't really notice it every month and had it paid off before two years.ive out grown the box and now have a Mac but still have the so in my garage.if you're going to drop good money on good tools don't risk storing them in an unsafe cheap tool box not suited for a shop environment

 

[kursplat]

How come nobody uses these? http://www.osh.com/eng/product/craf...rays/6662720?gclid=CPfSwJnC37QCFal7Qgod1HMAIg

i don't like how much space they use personally. you can get alot of sockets on rails for the same $$ and have room left over...


for more sockets

 

[SC-AW11]

Others have mentioned a fully drawered cart as a better option. I agree that getting a (as an example) KRA2007 would not be a bank breaker, is an excellent box, and would take you a while to out grow it.
Check out: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?search=true&item_ID=650986&PartNo=KRA2007&group_id=681763&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all

Now that is a sweet box. Exactly what I was talking about. Really I wouldn't outgrow it for a while? as my only box or just as the cart? Idk, I pretty much outgrew my Kennedy top and bottom at home. How would I store sockets, those top drawers look pretty small? (or in any drawers that dont fit hansen rails, as those seem to be the beez neez for socket storage) Relieved a little bit when I took some out for my school box but still pretty loaded. Thank you

I went through tech school and also had the discount.i started with a basic tool set and a 36inch classic series box on snap on credit, payments were cheap didn't really notice it every month and had it paid off before two years.ive out grown the box and now have a Mac but still have the so in my garage.if you're going to drop good money on good tools don't risk storing them in an unsafe cheap tool box not suited for a shop environment

The 36 was your only box? only the bottom cab right? How did you store your sockets both reg and impact? hmm good tools in a cheap unsafe box, ya I can agree with that lol. Thank you for the input

i don't like how much space they use personally. you can get alot of sockets on rails for the same $$ and have room left over...


for more sockets

Oh cool. What kind of rails do you use? You have yours in drawers or in a top compartment? Thank you

 

[kursplat]

...Oh cool. What kind of rails do you use? You have yours in drawers or in a top compartment? Thank you

i keep my SAE stuff in the top of my mac top chest. mostly with hansen trays that i picked up for a buck a piece and the metric is in a drawer on rails. as far as keeping your tools safe, ya you don't want some 8 yr old with a putty knife to be able to jimmy the latch but someone with enough time, tools and intent can get into or take anything

giood luck with school

 

[amlv20]

The 36 was your only box? only the bottom cab right? How did you store your sockets both reg and impact? hmm good tools in a cheap unsafe box, ya I can agree with that lol. Thank you for the input

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=682266&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

That's what I started with, it a ok size box.i got it for $1,200 with discount, I used the top drawer for sockets ratchets extensions, second drawer for wrenches, third pliers, and so on. I used it for over three years, also got a small cart during those years.

 

[kursplat]

try craig's list in your area. you might find something used but cheep that will work just fine and save you some $$

 

[SC-AW11]

i keep my SAE stuff in the top of my mac top chest. mostly with hansen trays that i picked up for a buck a piece and the metric is in a drawer on rails. as far as keeping your tools safe, ya you don't want some 8 yr old with a putty knife to be able to jimmy the latch but someone with enough time, tools and intent can get into or take anything

giood luck with school

Cool, thank you for the pictures. Damn a buck a piece is very cool wish I could find that lol. Haha ya you guys make a very valid point about security. I didn't really think about it. I guess I would like to think I can trust the amigos (non-racist way to say they're mostly hispanic? lol Its In North Hollywood, CA where its predominately hispanics) that work at the dealership. They all seem to have Mac, Matco, or Snap On.
Thank you very much! I really appreciate that. I've only was able to get into 2 classes last semester; Brakes/Steering & Suspension, and Manual Transmission/Drive line and while I saw a lot people **** around, I busted my behind and got A's in both classes so I was pretty proud of myself. It was all fun too.
I was recommended this book: http://www.ebay.com/itm/330786558440?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
It is mainly about bikes, but who recommended it told me its to learn internal combustion engines in general. Not just basics which we all learned in high school, but like spark ionization, turbulence and why its needed. his example was what happens exactly to the flame inside and such. He recommended the author Kevin Cameron in general for his style of writing. Use to write for Cycle World. I highly recommend it as well, way worth only 10 bucks. back cover has 26.99 printed on it lol.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=682266&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

That's what I started with, it a ok size box.i got it for $1,200 with discount, I used the top drawer for sockets ratchets extensions, second drawer for wrenches, third pliers, and so on. I used it for over three years, also got a small cart during those years.

Ah, very nice. That is a very nice roll cab. And with that you didn't need a big box for a while huh? good to know, that might be the route I go to get proper security. Along with a cart like you said you had.
What kinda storage system or product did you use for sockets? deep and impacts, on hansens in the cart?

 

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Cool, I'll take a look

 

[MattPersman]

I would just start with a KRSC46 in your choice of color it can hold a lot of stuff

 

[SC-AW11]

I would just start with a KRSC46 in your choice of color it can hold a lot of stuff

Another full drawer vote, seems like everybody's choice. As the one and only box I would have at work? or cart as well? Thank you for the input

 

[creativecars]

I went through tech school and also had the discount.i started with a basic tool set and a 36inch classic series box on snap on credit, payments were cheap didn't really notice it every month and had it paid off before two years.ive out grown the box and now have a Mac but still have the so in my garage.if you're going to drop good money on good tools don't risk storing them in an unsafe cheap tool box not suited for a shop environment

And just what is "an unsafe cheap tool box not suited for shop environment"?

 

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[joedodge]

Get a box you can afford with no credit get a roll cart with a drawer or two you can afford spend that money on tools. You have the right idea look for a used cart I got my 4 drawer matco for 400 years ago and the snappy dealer just had another. I've been doing this 7 years and with good organization and a lil over crowding I haven't outgrown my matco 4s double bay and matco cart. And I'm full bumper to bumper tech for a emergency vehicle fleet. A lot of guys who UPGRADE to bigger boxes waste a **** ton of space with plastic trays and boxes they don't need because it looks cute. Starting out it will take you a while to outgrow any of those boxes

 

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Get a box you can afford with no credit get a roll cart with a drawer or two you can afford spend that money on tools. You have the right idea look for a used cart I got my 4 drawer matco for 400 years ago and the snappy dealer just had another. I've been doing this 7 years and with good organization and a lil over crowding I haven't outgrown my matco 4s double bay and matco cart. And I'm full bumper to bumper tech for a emergency vehicle fleet. A lot of guys who UPGRADE to bigger boxes waste a **** ton of space with plastic trays and boxes they don't need because it looks cute. Starting out it will take you a while to outgrow any of those boxes

Great input and insight. I appreciate the mentioning of me having the right idea. I'm doing something right lol.
I guess the box would be a HF 44 or 56 as I mentioned, pending possible security risk? Or a KRSC46. Or the 2007 with the work surface, pending deep socket and impact socket organization.
Well I'd look for used but with student discount the KRSC33 new is about the same price as your used matco. I take care of my stuff unlike other students Ive seen, So I figure if I get it new itll last a long long time and when I want a better cart I can bring it home. Lol my buddy at school saw my rally box when I got it and said "wow, someone takes pride in organizing their tools" haha. Sound like organizing is the key which Im no stranger to, and I'll be just fine in w/e I get for a while. Good insight about being a bumper to bumper tech and how people waste space. Thank you, I really appreciate your input!

 

[joedodge]

Oh wow didn't know the student price was that cheap that's a great deal then lol. When I was in school all we had was matco for discount. I wouldn't worry about the security of the harbor freight 44 box there pretty rugged non of the techs I know ever had a problem with them.if I hadn't got my matco at school discount price years ago I'd prolly have the 44 with side box and locker. The tool box deal is a status thing at a lot of shops unfortunately you see 10,000 boxes that are empty or the guy can't fix a sandwich. I'd love a big snappy box just can't justify it. I'm a young guy too il be 25. Try not to get into a nitch like doing trannys or what ever do it all no limits. I went to diesel tech school and mainly work on medium duty diesels power stroke and duramax but work on freight liners internationals cars what ever comes in factory training is important too. If you can get your head wrapped around electrical and drive ability you'll be unstoppable and always employed. Just don't get wrapped up in the ******* matches and what not dealers are full of that. You got the right idea

 

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Ya, retail 896, so about should be about 450 with discount. Alright cool good to know other techs don't have security problem. Didn't think it was an issue til someone mentioned it. 44 with side box and locker? Sounds really good. I forgot to say I would want the sidebox too. Not sure about locker though, what would you specially, use it for? (I also like the side box on the HF cart idea I saw on the HF car mod thread, but that would entail me getting a HF cart which I think I'd only get for home). I saw someone but a SO side box on their KRSC46: http://static.motownmuscle.com/forums/files/875024337f328d1.jpg
I like that and it would make the 46 adequate a lot longer.
haha empty or can't fix a sandwich, I literally lol'd. Oh, a young guy as well, very nice. Im 22, you're just a couple years ahead of me so I'll def take your advice. Ok cool, good to hear about not limiting myself. Cause for some reason I keep getting asked what I want to do exactly. I want to fix cars lol. But when I have to answer, repairing or building engines is usually my answer. and ya I look forward to factory training as well so I can learn manufacturer and vehicle specifics of hopefully Toyota. Cool, also good to know cause I'm enrolled in the electrical class this coming semester already. What do you mean drive ability? as in undercarriage like brakes, steering, and suspension? Haha ******* match; I was just watching a video of Snap On vs IR impact and someone commented "this is just a ******* match." Thank you very much man, I really appreciate your help.

P.s. was gonna link the pictures on previous post as we were talking about box/cart combo. here are a couple KRSC33 and 46 combos that look like they do just fine for a while, and especially with a sidebox on the 46.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/Zach90Turbo/Pics%20for%20Family/snaponbox001.jpg
Not 33's but close: http://static.motownmuscle.com/forums/files/874ff624a37f4f7.jpg
and http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=15xwxp1&s=7

With something like these 2 on the left being the final product in a few years. But big box I think I would prefer 2 wide drawers on top for both sockets then wrenches like a krl http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/mlewis1402/014-2.jpg

 

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Oh n now Im thinking specially about work surface and upgrading. Idk if I would want work surface on the cart or the box? I guess I can switch it as well when I do upgrade.
or both with a surface, if I could research more about deep and impact socket storage?
I was thinking maybe reg sockets in drawers and deep and impacts on Hansens in the top compartment, all being on the car.
Where is your surface? Do you think it should be on the cart, or is walking to your bigger box with w/e you're working on, not that big of a time killer? And where are your sockets (shallow, deep, impact) stored (cart vs box)? Thank you!

 

[joedodge]

Those are nice carts very well built. Drive ability is diagnosing driving issues car runs rough stalls poor gas mileage stalls when you turn left reading a scan tool or scope really being able to find a ghost that is intermittent. I always Said the same I wana rebuild engines and trannys and I do it wasn't till the first 6 months I worked with a guy a lil older than me who was amazing he was that go to guy who could do it all never said no always figured it out and that's what I wanted to be. The electronics aren't going away just getting worse the emissions is worse there for more drive ability work but I love line work too heads trannys converters rear end work and such. There's a lot of gravy money in brakes and suspension but don't limit yourself. I've never gotten into the ******* matches its always who's better or has a bigger box or turned mor hours, I do my job my way at my pace and it pays off.....and I usually fix there come backs. If I hadn't got my matco on school discount and had the Hf box I'd use the locker for specialty and testing tools in plastic boxes and things like ac gauges and stuff to hang up keeps more drawer space. I keep 1/4 drive metric deep and shallow and metric deep and mid depth 3/8 drive impact and 3/8 swivel impact and a few 1/2 drive sockets in my cart in the big top space I fold my lid all the way down, also keep ,Eric gear wrenches and regular wrenches to 21 mm and assorted pliers a drop light and a drawer of miscellaneous stuff and 1/2 impact 3/8 impact and a couple air ratchets and a cordless impact in there that'll get me in enough trouble on most jobs oh and a couple pry bars gotta have those. Everything else in my box if I know I'm doing a big job I put what I need in the cart other wise I keep it light and easily mobile. I use socket rails attached to a piece of sheet metal in my box I can grab four rails all at once in my cart I use mechanic time savers holders.ill try and find some pictures of my stuff if I can

 

[joedodge]

Oh and my work surface is the inside of my cart the big open area the lids are just to flimsy to work on if I'm near my box I use it

 

[joedodge]

Here ya go

 

[joedodge]

The cart

 

[SC-AW11]

i logged onto and looked up each of the carts you like on the student excellence website for snap on, and only KRSC33APJJ is available for purchase with the discount (comes to $425.88).

the student discount does not cover every single item in the SO catalog.

It actually shows quite a few. KRSC46 is there too
http://buy1.snapon.com/sep/catalog/item.aspx?group=26&sku=KRSC46FPJJ
Along with a 326, I guess it has narrower drawers.
http://buy1.snapon.com/sep/catalog/item.aspx?group=26&sku=KRSC326FPJJ
The 2007 is there too http://buy1.snapon.com/sep/catalog/item.aspx?group=24&sku=KRA2007FPBO

 

[SC-AW11]

Those are nice carts very well built. Drive ability is diagnosing driving issues car runs rough stalls poor gas mileage stalls when you turn left reading a scan tool or scope really being able to find a ghost that is intermittent. I always Said the same I wana rebuild engines and trannys and I do it wasn't till the first 6 months I worked with a guy a lil older than me who was amazing he was that go to guy who could do it all never said no always figured it out and that's what I wanted to be. The electronics aren't going away just getting worse the emissions is worse there for more drive ability work but I love line work too heads trannys converters rear end work and such. There's a lot of gravy money in brakes and suspension but don't limit yourself. I've never gotten into the ******* matches its always who's better or has a bigger box or turned mor hours, I do my job my way at my pace and it pays off.....and I usually fix there come backs. If I hadn't got my matco on school discount and had the Hf box I'd use the locker for specialty and testing tools in plastic boxes and things like ac gauges and stuff to hang up keeps more drawer space. I keep 1/4 drive metric deep and shallow and metric deep and mid depth 3/8 drive impact and 3/8 swivel impact and a few 1/2 drive sockets in my cart in the big top space I fold my lid all the way down, also keep ,Eric gear wrenches and regular wrenches to 21 mm and assorted pliers a drop light and a drawer of miscellaneous stuff and 1/2 impact 3/8 impact and a couple air ratchets and a cordless impact in there that'll get me in enough trouble on most jobs oh and a couple pry bars gotta have those. Everything else in my box if I know I'm doing a big job I put what I need in the cart other wise I keep it light and easily mobile. I use socket rails attached to a piece of sheet metal in my box I can grab four rails all at once in my cart I use mechanic time savers holders.ill try and find some pictures of my stuff if I can

Oh and my work surface is the inside of my cart the big open area the lids are just to flimsy to work on if I'm near my box I use it

Oh ok gotcha. well Im no pro at that yet, Im taking engine diagnostics and tune up this semester as well as electronics so I should be good after that, hopefully lol. Ya I definitely don't want to limit myself. I want to be the exact guy you described and wanted to be as well, pretty much the go-to guy that can fix anything, and knows everything lol. Oh nice the locker sounds very useful then. Wow very detailed description, thank you lol. There it is, the socket rails screwed to sheet metal, very nice. they are mechanics time savers?
One thing, you said you "keep 1/4 drive metric....in my cart in the big top space I fold my lid all the way down" but then you said in that small post that is your work surface? the inside big open area of your cart? Thank you very much, I can tell you're really trying to help me. Can't say enough that I appreciate the help.

 

[SC-AW11]

Very nice setup. Small craftsman top box on a smaller KRL? I like that bottom box. perfect first big box. looks like a bigger version of a HF 44.
Cool cart. Is that a folding surface shelf on the right side? I see how you have the sockets now, those magnetic mechanics timesavers, those are pretty nice.

 

[e30bradley]

your going to outgrow your boxes sooner than you think.. I get the discount to, I need to sell the box I have now and get a 53" heritage bottom. Not sure if I'll get double or tripple bank. Then I'll get a top for it eventually.. atm I have a snap on 32" top/bottom combo. then another so 32" road chest top box, a 26" husky bottom/top combo, and another 26" husky top.. then a 26" husky top in my bedroom unused. I desperately need more space haha

 

[joedodge]

The socket holders you see in my cart Re the mechanics time savers there molded plastic holders with a magnet on the bottom very useful holder the others in my box are just plain socket rail riveted to a piece of sheet metal both can be bought at tool topia.com the open area in the top of my cart is the work area I don't use the lid it stays folded down like in the pic sorry for the unclear description. The open area is sockets and ratchets and my work space the lid does nothing but get closed at night. I run the cart with what I need for most jobs and load it up with what I need if I know what job I'm doing, I'm never far from my box I have a flat bay and a bay with a rack so never to far. Never at learning and be humble stand on both feet when you know your right but be humble and always get it right the first time it may take a lil longer or you may not always beat the time but will pay off in the long run. Most of my tools are off brands OTC, sk, lisle, gear wrench, ir, and such I bought a lot of matco when I had the discount and do but snap on now but don't go crazy just because the retail price is insane.

 

[ianguilly]

I have the KRSC33APJJ at work and love the thing it is great quality for being made overseas. Would buy it again if I had too.

 

[lennoxlennox]

just to give you a cost comparison - not suggesting you buy these or not buy these...

matco student special this month is $545.27 for this:

http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/MSC4BK/HD-SERVICE-CART-BLACK/

and $1579.50 for this:

http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/4222R-BC/4S-2BAY-22-ROLLAWAY-BLK-CHM/

 

[richfinn]

You wont need that many tools in a dealership.

1. Toyotas are all Metric

2. Most of the stuff will be fairly new and in decent condition

3. for the first couple of years you will be mostly doing services/brakes

4. Dealerships supply most specialist tooling

5. get the snappy cart, and add a side box or two when its full

 

[kursplat]

most of my family lived in north hollywood at one time. you hoping to work at the toyota dealer on lankershim? post some pictures of whatever you end up with.

i've always wanted one of this style for a service cart with a work top

 

[RV77]

Didn't look til now but also, COO are USA for both Snap Ons, and China for the Blue Point. Does that play a role in the quality? (Def a made in USA man)

Yes and Im thinking you answered your own question

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

My wife has a KRSC33 (blue) in the house garage and it is a well made, fully welded cart that will be easy to manage in a shop where you need to move around a lot. I also have a KRSC326 (green by the way) in my shop which is also fully welded with full depth drawers. It not as large and cumbersome as the KRSC46 and is a good compromise in a cart if you plan on getting a larger roller later on and use both of them.