purplezr2
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It all cost money, You know that frozen hamburgers are bid down to the cent, Companies are looking to cut cost, this one way to do it.
Help with a Snap on Made in USA or not?? WTF item
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It all cost money, You know that frozen hamburgers are bid down to the cent, Companies are looking to cut cost, this one way to do it.
just because they don't care does not make it right.
matter of fact. hiding, misleading or worse yet preventing one from accessing this info is dispicable. if they wish to save a nickel on items shiped to a foreign company so be it but preventing us from getting acurate info is wrong any way you look at it. now that is brough to their attentian, will they change it? don't bet on it until someone makes them.
DSLTRK
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I just bought a SH80A('12 model), and there was no "USA" embossed on the handle. If they are really starting to emboss USA on the ratchets, then the internals are now made here, or a legality was met with the US gov or WTO.
Dieselbutterfly
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purple,unless you were in the board room at case or bobcat when these policies were made,you dont know why they did it.and my opinion is not yours,we must disagree.however that is not what the problem was here.snap on put made in usa on the product,with no qualifications such as assembled from global ....so it was dishonest
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Okay, imported. Imported from where? If it's from a place like Germany or Japan where manufacturing and metallurgy are exceptional, then I am good. If it's from China, India or any other place where workers are virtual (sometimes actual) slaves then they can go to hell. Nevertheless, they should state, "Assembled in USA of global components," or something of the sort.
On broader issues, I have seen actual **** manufacturing coming out of Snap-On lately. Wrenches with the cutouts off center, chrome problems, etc.
On broader issues, I have seen actual **** manufacturing coming out of Snap-On lately. Wrenches with the cutouts off center, chrome problems, etc.
Dieselbutterfly
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when i asked liz she said overseas,you can bet if it was not china she would have said so
Recently I have been researching safety, specifically where it comes to jack stands. I'm not going to hijack this thread, but failure modes are predictable. And, usually, those failure modes are related to the base of the pawl-type stands.
One common failure mode is thin metal and/or bad welds where the stand splits or just plain collapses. Another failure mode is misaligned pawl gears that don't have enough positive lip overlap such that they slip easily when bumped. Another failure mode is when the little pin that holds in the pawl lever just busts or slips out the press fit.
I wouldn't trust my life to some crummy overseas, basically sneaky and concealed manufacturing program. Would you?
One common failure mode is thin metal and/or bad welds where the stand splits or just plain collapses. Another failure mode is misaligned pawl gears that don't have enough positive lip overlap such that they slip easily when bumped. Another failure mode is when the little pin that holds in the pawl lever just busts or slips out the press fit.
I wouldn't trust my life to some crummy overseas, basically sneaky and concealed manufacturing program. Would you?
Dieselbutterfly
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nope,thats why i buy snap on ,oh wait.....
GeorgiaHybrid
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I would like to think that the fine folks in Wisconsin have better grammatical control on their package labeling;
"DESCRIPTION: 3 TON JACK STAND'S BASE"
Reads like a typical poorly translated label - but hey, they're only $138.
Haven't hired any recent high school grads have you?? From the ones that have applied to our company, most would have misspelled 5 out of 5 words in that statement.
Again... Snap On doesnt make there own Jack stands and to my knowledge never Has. As far as I know the last few manufacturers have been the current Hein Werner and previous Lincoln Hydraulics. If you check the current Coo of the Hein Werner line, it still claims "Made in the USA". I'm not gonna get into the Coo guidelines (wrote by a lawyer) there are specifications pertaining to how much of a product can be imported and still be deemed Made in the USA. We know the arm is USA, as its Cast into the piece. I doubt that alone qualifies as enough to be tagged "Made in the USA" as a entire piece. On a side note, I don't put a lot a faith in Liz. There are very few choices when it comes to USA made Jackstands, and of those choices Snap on isn't even at the top of the list.
To the Op.. If it bothers you that much send them back... Pick you up a set of Us Jack stands.
Dieselbutterfly
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liz called the vendor,unless she was lying and if she were going to lie why not say oh they are us made.or you could call snap too and ask someone else.also the first person to answer the phone at their toll free number connected me with her1-800-786-6600
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Trey T
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Their website says "Country of origin: USA" but legally, it does not mean it's made in USA. Every product maker knows the value of "Made in USA". They would never forget that.
It's obvious, man. If it's not labeled on package or stamped on actual product, it's made somewhere else.
It's obvious, man. If it's not labeled on package or stamped on actual product, it's made somewhere else.
Dieselbutterfly
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not obvious,the part IS stamped made in usa
MrMark
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I love how the OP figured this out from the cheap cardboard box and Chinese writing. That is good stuff!
I wonder if the vendor is Hein Warner. Snap-on would tell in my experience.
I wonder if the vendor is Hein Warner. Snap-on would tell in my experience.
Dieselbutterfly
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call them liz in customer service answered all my questions
Mark im Sure they are Hein Werner Sourced, The Center part carries the same Number USA 310 (Based off Pictures of the OP's and Another Members). I guess where it Gets Tricky.. Hein Werner is Owned by Shinn Fu and they are Major players in the Lift World, They currently Own HW along with a Multitude of Brands and the Majority of there stuff is Imported Outside of the HW line.
http://www.shinnfuamerica.com/ProductDetails/Hein-Werner_Automotive/Jack_Stands_and_Forklift_Jack_Stands/HW93503/546
I went back and looked at My Old Lincoln books and they carry the Holes in the Leg section similar to the OP's Snap on. Im only basing my Opinion off of Past History, But Id venture to bet the OP's Jack Stands are US Made. Is it possible that Shinn Fu is making the Bases Overseas? Absolutely.. but My Gut tells me No.
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Dieselbutterfly
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you really dont believe snap on when they say it is made overseas
1st off Snap on didn't tell me they where made overseas, and its not completely out of the realm for a custom service rep to be wrong. Secondly... I've been dealing with hydraulic jacks along with the manufacturers Of this equipment too long to allow my opinion to be swayed by a Internet forum. No worries... I've got a email sent in to Snap on along with a buddy at Shinn fu in Kansas City that will hopefully shed some light on the subject. In today's economy nothing surprises me anymore, As I stated earlier its completely plausible that the base is coming across the big water, if it is... It's the same design that has been used for years.
Dieselbutterfly
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why even bother to ask then.however if your sources tell you what snap on told me i hope to here about on this thread,likewise if you get a different answer
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I'm asking because, I field questions on a daily basis about hydraulic lift equipment and while its difficult to stay up on today's market, I pride myself on giving good info.
Dieselbutterfly
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me too,on the good info.i hope i am wrong,i guess we will see
Wangstang
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Today's India manufacturing plants have become the overseas manufacturing equivilant of China from 10-20 years ago for what it's worth.
Wes
Dieselbutterfly
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yeah could be india,overseas was all i needed to hear,as it is marked made in USA
What bad grammar?
"Three ton jack stand's base."
"stand's" is correctly used as a possessive. Another way of saying it is, "This is a base that belongs to a three ton jack stand".
Got it? er - I mean, "Does the statement under discussion make sense to you now?"
I'm not confused. If you are, you're just not paying attention.
"Three ton jack stand's base."
"stand's" is correctly used as a possessive. Another way of saying it is, "This is a base that belongs to a three ton jack stand".
Got it? er - I mean, "Does the statement under discussion make sense to you now?"
I'm not confused. If you are, you're just not paying attention.
cj7365
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snap on, rip off get it........**** SNAP ON
and the saga continues..............
and the saga continues..............
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rhastings80
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Why not just return them and buy these at HF for $24.99? Or use a 20% off coupon and save another 5 bucks.
http://www.harborfreight.com/automo...tands/3-ton-heavy-duty-jack-stands-38846.html
HF doesn't mention COO, would guess they are China. Heck they even weigh more. 15.08 pounds vs. the snap-on of 14.2 pounds.
Guess it just goes to show how much markup there is on this stuff...
Or by the Hein-Werner ones from Northern Tool for 65 bucks. Guess it costs a lot of put the snap-on sticker on
Hein-Werner Jack Stands — 3-Ton Capacity, 2-Pk., Model# HW93503
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200349988_200349988?cm_mmc=Google-pla-_-Auto%20Repair-_-Jacks-_-155719&ci_sku=155719&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}&gclid=CPfbx7yf87MCFQY5nAodyzgAYA
http://www.harborfreight.com/automo...tands/3-ton-heavy-duty-jack-stands-38846.html
HF doesn't mention COO, would guess they are China. Heck they even weigh more. 15.08 pounds vs. the snap-on of 14.2 pounds.
Guess it just goes to show how much markup there is on this stuff...
Or by the Hein-Werner ones from Northern Tool for 65 bucks. Guess it costs a lot of put the snap-on sticker on
Hein-Werner Jack Stands — 3-Ton Capacity, 2-Pk., Model# HW93503
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200349988_200349988?cm_mmc=Google-pla-_-Auto%20Repair-_-Jacks-_-155719&ci_sku=155719&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}&gclid=CPfbx7yf87MCFQY5nAodyzgAYA
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It fairly obvious based off post #1, the Op wants a US made set of Jack Stands, those Hf would do nothing to improve his situation.
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There are tweo types of made in USA claims- Qualified and unqualified. This is a good explaination of the two-
http://www.sba.gov/community/blogs/community-blogs/business-law-advisor/made-usa-labels-information-manufacturers-ret-0
http://www.sba.gov/community/blogs/community-blogs/business-law-advisor/made-usa-labels-information-manufacturers-ret-0
NicksRodz
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What about USJACK? They say 100% American made. Not bad prices either if all USA made.
Dieselbutterfly
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i mention this earlier in the thread,about the statement being unqualified
KF5LCH
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I figured as much. ***** man.
What you gonna do? Send them back & hunt for some US made stands?
What you gonna do? Send them back & hunt for some US made stands?
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Charles (in GA)
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No, the cast steel riser is made in the USA. That is cast into the metal of the riser. China is noted for low quality, poor cast iron and steel. If you want good ductile iron or steel, go elsewhere.
I have that same set of jack stands. I like them and they are at least one gauge of steel heavier than other brands I looked at. The also have flat corner feet welded onto them so they won't gouge the floor. The welds are quite nice (contrary to popular belief, not everyone is China is a bad welder, if you do this all day long, you get pretty good at it)
I assumed from the moment I bought mine that they were made in China, but they are better quality than others I looked at. I'll have to take a look at them when I walk out to the shop in a while, and see if the risers on mine say USA, I wasn't aware they did. Mine are several years old.
Charles
Dieselbutterfly
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^yeah,marking one part of a two piece item,made in USA and putting an unqualified made in USA on your web site,and the truck driver saying it is US made,thats not ******** is it? Charles?by the way hiball what do you hear from your freind on the email,was liz telling the truth?
Did anyone ever nail this down? Hiball, did you follow up?
Here are some jack stands that are really made in the USA:
http://www.norcoindustries.com/products/category/USA.html
Here are some jack stands that are really made in the USA:
http://www.norcoindustries.com/products/category/USA.html
TheGrooveking
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On Norco's site they reference the Buy American Act, very misleading, read a little on the Buy American Act: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_American_Act specifically the 1983 edition.
TheGrooveking
Unlike China however, it's doubtful that India's manufacturing will improve any time soon.
China went from having no industry, to being fairly industrialized the last 30 years. Manufacturing investments in India are a waste of money, with many big corporations pulling out of there after a few years and realizing how much money they lost.
Dimitri