Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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This beast right here
We use it in our repair facility and it is amazing!
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Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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Just a comparison in general.
And they are not in stock or on back order because they are moving like hotcakes!
If you need distributor info feel free to PM me and I can help you find someone in your area.
Picked up this little 3 1/2" Craftsman today. Model number is 391.5180. Made in Japan
Size comparison with my 4" Morgan 140 I'm still trying to get apart. Even though the jaw size is only 1/2" different, they are definitely in two different weight classes! The Craftsman is 18-19 lbs and the Morgan about 50 I believe.
A few questions for you vise geniuses
1. So is the Morgan a machinists vise and the Craftsman a mechanics vise? The awesome Craftsman vise catalog scan thread from outlaw just labels it as a "bench vise".
2. The Craftsman's slide is kinda wobbly. It seems to be because the main nut is somewhat loose. How do I tighten that up so it stays in place more securely?
3. Any tips on getting my Morgan apart? I wire wheeled the slide to get the rust off and I've been filing it down to get rid of some mushrooming. Do I just need to keep doing that until it will come apart? The slide binds when the back of it is about to enter the dynamic jaw (not sure if my terminology is correct here). There is a small crack in the back of the slide too that isn't helping matters
Size comparison with my 4" Morgan 140 I'm still trying to get apart. Even though the jaw size is only 1/2" different, they are definitely in two different weight classes! The Craftsman is 18-19 lbs and the Morgan about 50 I believe.
A few questions for you vise geniuses
1. So is the Morgan a machinists vise and the Craftsman a mechanics vise? The awesome Craftsman vise catalog scan thread from outlaw just labels it as a "bench vise".
2. The Craftsman's slide is kinda wobbly. It seems to be because the main nut is somewhat loose. How do I tighten that up so it stays in place more securely?
3. Any tips on getting my Morgan apart? I wire wheeled the slide to get the rust off and I've been filing it down to get rid of some mushrooming. Do I just need to keep doing that until it will come apart? The slide binds when the back of it is about to enter the dynamic jaw (not sure if my terminology is correct here). There is a small crack in the back of the slide too that isn't helping matters
GETRIDAONE
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Thats what happens when the slide has been use as an anvil. Keep at it on the top corners and it will free up. Take off the minimum amount to get it to slide free back & forth.
You can try some shims in the Japanese Craftsman to tighten the main nut but it will might bind up because of all the other slop in the casting. I have found that some work fine and others tend to bind up.
You can try some shims in the Japanese Craftsman to tighten the main nut but it will might bind up because of all the other slop in the casting. I have found that some work fine and others tend to bind up.
Alexbn921
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All painted, waxed, greased. I might paint the letters white. No wiggle at all in the slide. I don't know if I will be able to put it outside as planned.
KMScott
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I am getting close to finishing the first set of Chas Parker jaws. The Colorado flood kind of erased 8 weeks, and today I am caught up. I finally get to work on the 4 different Chas Parker jaws I started 3 months ago. I serrated blocks for a 3", 4-3/4", 6" and 8" inch pairs.
Tonight I was fitting a set for my 956 and learned that just measuring the original jaw is not enough. I showed a picture of my microscope in my CNC to draw the shape from points. I matched the funky angles on the original jaw but did not really look at the jaw itself, or I would have seen that the jaw face was more worn at the top than the bottom. Just like the 8" pairs I am making. This is disturbing since it tells me that I should have the vise for fitting purposes, and those 8" vises are out of the question for shipping. I will have to depend on the owners for help.
My 956 shows a fairly large gap on the bottom of the jaws and I will have to change the 14.45 degree angle set on my sine vise to save this pair. All four jaws had different angles. Maybe after I finish they all will have the same angle, I hope so.
So, making Chas Parker jaws may not work like I thought, unless I have the actual vise on my bench. There has been plenty of interest in the Parker jaws on my site, so I hope I can make it work. I will say I am enjoying myself building them.
What are Chas Parker jaws worth? I know building these even at minimum wage will still be expensive...
Tonight I was fitting a set for my 956 and learned that just measuring the original jaw is not enough. I showed a picture of my microscope in my CNC to draw the shape from points. I matched the funky angles on the original jaw but did not really look at the jaw itself, or I would have seen that the jaw face was more worn at the top than the bottom. Just like the 8" pairs I am making. This is disturbing since it tells me that I should have the vise for fitting purposes, and those 8" vises are out of the question for shipping. I will have to depend on the owners for help.
My 956 shows a fairly large gap on the bottom of the jaws and I will have to change the 14.45 degree angle set on my sine vise to save this pair. All four jaws had different angles. Maybe after I finish they all will have the same angle, I hope so.
So, making Chas Parker jaws may not work like I thought, unless I have the actual vise on my bench. There has been plenty of interest in the Parker jaws on my site, so I hope I can make it work. I will say I am enjoying myself building them.
What are Chas Parker jaws worth? I know building these even at minimum wage will still be expensive...
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oldldh
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Brother Scott, we are unworthy!!!
jakemac
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Brother Scott, we are unworthy!!!
BS, of course we're worthy. (as long as our checks don't bounce)
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Picked up this old Craftsman by Reed yesterday for $60. I am guessing it is from the 1940s? Gonna paint it and probably resell. Not sure what colors to go with? Were these originally blue with yellow like the power tools with similar logo? Thanks.
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GETRIDAONE
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Jammer Nice old Craftsman !!
I got my 1st Wilton bullet yesterday. It is a 9350 that has not been used much. There is not even a scratch on the anvil pad & jaws look new. Has had a respray at some point. I got the American Scale No. 25 180 lb. vise stand at the same time.
I got my 1st Wilton bullet yesterday. It is a 9350 that has not been used much. There is not even a scratch on the anvil pad & jaws look new. Has had a respray at some point. I got the American Scale No. 25 180 lb. vise stand at the same time.
CecilTheTurtle
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I just picked up this Parker 272 yesterday. It needs some work but I think I bought it right.
Hey Fyrme, that 272 looks a lot like my 273 that I posted much earlier in the Vise thread.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3060699&postcount=8201
Looks like the pin that's in the base should be the pin in the static jaw, at least according to my vise. I'd be interested to see some pics of the swivel base underneath yours to see how it compares to mine. Also be interested to see if your swivel jaw is cracked underneath. Fairly common on this style from what I've seen.
Outlawmws
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GETRIDAONE, is the American scale a 7"? or bigger? (My #66 is painted nearly the same color...)
Outlawmws
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Picked up this old Craftsman by Reed yesterday for $60. I am guessing it is from the 1940s? Gonna paint it and probably resell. Not sure what colors to go with? Were these originally blue with yellow like the power tools with similar logo? Thanks.
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The model before (based on the 1942 catalog) was Blue Enamel. That one maps to the 1945 catalog, and no color was listed. The Dunlap on the same page was green crackle finish.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2308592#post2308592
balane
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I had one exactly like that with original paint pass through my hands. The color was a really dark, semi-flat blue.
va.grouseman
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A little #383 1/2.------52 lbs.------3 1/2 jaw------needs a restore.
GETRIDAONE------Love the Red Seal #25. Autopts sold me one. Wouldn't take a gold monkey for it. Really nice specimens.
Hope all you fellows have a real nice Christmas and a great new year. Remember, maxing out all your credit cards, that don't mean your are keeping it real.
GETRIDAONE------Love the Red Seal #25. Autopts sold me one. Wouldn't take a gold monkey for it. Really nice specimens.
Hope all you fellows have a real nice Christmas and a great new year. Remember, maxing out all your credit cards, that don't mean your are keeping it real.
balane
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WTT one gold monkey for large, Red Seal vise. PST.
Kevin
I share your despair. My hopes of you replicating Parker jaws almost sounds dashed. I can't understand for the life of me how Parker mass produced vises for about 100 years with that style jaw without remaining consistent for a given size vise. Could it be that the one sample Parker you have is not right?
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neophyte
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WTT one gold monkey for large, Red Seal vise. PST.
I see the monkey already froze it's balls off.
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Outlaw and Balane,
Thank you for the info on the craftsman. I think I'll go with a darker blue that looks right. I may paint the raised letters yellow.
Thank you for the info on the craftsman. I think I'll go with a darker blue that looks right. I may paint the raised letters yellow.
KMScott
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I have two samples, one from you in Chicago and one from Arizona and both are the same. I'll get it figured out but will need help. I think every time I measure something it ends up correct, I am wrong on these Parkers. A good question would be is it worth making them....
Outlawmws
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rennebew, is that a forming press or a shear?
Any chance of ID'ing this little gem (in the rough)?
It's a 3 1/2" and the only markings on it are cast into the right body "Made In USA". Maybe more will become visible as it emerges from the rust, but for now, that's it. I can't even tell for now whether the jaws have inserts. Distinguishing marks:
Leadscrew retainer is a washer which is held in place by pinch stakes on the leadscrew. The sort of stuff I associate with small c-clamps, not medium-ish vises.
Two swivel lock holes.
Cast iron swivel lock handle.
The rest looks plain vanilla to me.
It looks like the original color was a fairly bright green - not quite John Deere green, maybe Oliver Green, but brighter than British Racing Green.
Not much to go on.
It's a 3 1/2" and the only markings on it are cast into the right body "Made In USA". Maybe more will become visible as it emerges from the rust, but for now, that's it. I can't even tell for now whether the jaws have inserts. Distinguishing marks:
Leadscrew retainer is a washer which is held in place by pinch stakes on the leadscrew. The sort of stuff I associate with small c-clamps, not medium-ish vises.
Two swivel lock holes.
Cast iron swivel lock handle.
The rest looks plain vanilla to me.
It looks like the original color was a fairly bright green - not quite John Deere green, maybe Oliver Green, but brighter than British Racing Green.
Not much to go on.
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GETRIDAONE
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Outlaw, I was suprised at only 6" jaws for such a large vise.
Cecil, My 272 has a nut in the middle where it swivels. I have a ball pin like the one you have but only about as thick as the base, serves no purpose except to sit in that hole on the base ? No picture on this computer
Balane, WTT How much does that Gold Monkey weigh ? I paid 42 cents a pound for the 180 lb vise = $75.00
The Wilton 9350 was also $75.00 Date 6-30-63
BFBOB, I have one marked "SAMPSON" that is the same. The handle seems oversized for a small vise. It had traces of red paint under the rust. It cleaned up real well and I left it natural and put paste wax on it.
Cecil, My 272 has a nut in the middle where it swivels. I have a ball pin like the one you have but only about as thick as the base, serves no purpose except to sit in that hole on the base ? No picture on this computer
Balane, WTT How much does that Gold Monkey weigh ? I paid 42 cents a pound for the 180 lb vise = $75.00
The Wilton 9350 was also $75.00 Date 6-30-63
BFBOB, I have one marked "SAMPSON" that is the same. The handle seems oversized for a small vise. It had traces of red paint under the rust. It cleaned up real well and I left it natural and put paste wax on it.
You get a You **** for the Wilton and a TRIPLE You **** for the Red Seal!
balane
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Here's a 4" Wilton Shop King. This is my first Shop King and this is a larger vise than I expected. These are big for their jaw size. This came from an old hydraulic shop and it needed a lot of work to get everything correct. Both handles were severely bent, it was a rusted mess with horrible binding in the action and the screw locking collar just didn't want to cooperate. Thankfully the foundation was solid enough to justify the effort. I'm happy to report that it works quite well now. It weighs in at 24 pounds which is light for how large this is because it doesn't have a cast iron slide like most vises. Luckily the jaws are in really nice condition. Colors are Classic Grey and Racing Green Metallic.
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Oh Wow! That's stunning! Question? Is it raining vises in Wash. St.?
balane
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Heh, I just emailed you about this one. I wouldn't say it's raining vises, not finding these listed for sale on Craig's List but out there beating the streets at garage and estate sales. The Reed and Dunlap were at an estate sale. I asked the guy if they were for sale and he said no, bolted down items stayed with the house. I kept hounding the guy and finally he called the home owners to ask. They said, Sure, sell them and we settled on a price. I wonder how many people asked for them before I got pushy because this was the 3rd day of the sale.
Here's a 4" Wilton Shop King. This is my first Shop King and this is a larger vise than I expected. These are big for their jaw size. This came from an old hydraulic shop and it needed a lot of work to get everything correct. Both handles were severely bent, it was a rusted mess with horrible binding in the action and the screw locking collar just didn't want to cooperate. Thankfully the foundation was solid enough to justify the effort. I'm happy to report that it works quite well now. It weighs in at 24 pounds which is light for how large this is because it doesn't have a cast iron slide like most vises. Luckily the jaws are in really nice condition. Colors are Classic Grey and Racing Green Metallic.
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I like the color combo, great job!
Wes
GETRIDAONE
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I bought a Shop King off E bay a couple weeks ago. In really good shape, original paint, with pipe jaws & the hardy still with it. I like the paint scheme on yours. Great Job !
va.grouseman
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GETRIDAONE. I have to make a correction. My combination vise I got from Autopts is not a Red Seal. It is an American Scale #25, same size, has the pipe jaws, but does not have the Red Seal emblem on the side. The more I thought about it the more it nagged at me that I didn't remember seeing the red seal. So I had to dig back in the pile to take a look. You have one upped me my friend. But I still wouldn't take a gold monkey for it.
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GETRIDAONE
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The vise was being used in the welding area of a large motor repair shop. The jaws are trashed and the screws will have to be drilled out because of weld spatter covering them. Just a little spatter on top will clean up easy. It works very smooth even though it looks bad right now. I can't complain for $75.00
It is a bender. I played with it a few times and it works decent. I bent a piece of 3/8 x 3" CRS to 90 degrees using a 15" crescent to turn the screw without straining.
Outlawmws
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Wow! I recently got a American Scale fixed base Red Seal No 66 that is a 6" and its only 136 lbs, (by my bathroom scale); I can't believe the swivel base version is 44 lbs more!
Outlawmws
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Sorry Bob, got no clue on that one. There were so many of that style made, and by virtually every single maker...
drivesitfar
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Since it's seems to be raining vises up here in Washington I thought I'd throw one out that I thought Jammer posted for me a few days ago. I really had to look twice especially since I also paid $60 for mine. I only see one thing different, but then my old eyes are not too good and I don't have nearly the knowledge that some of you have. how many differences in Jammer's Craftsman and my Reed?
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Drivesitfar's Reed
sorry for the poor picture of mine, but I was going to post a before and after restore and haven't had time to set up my shop and "E" tank yet.
I have plenty of rust to remove since it's raining vises if you don't grab them quick the rust begins.
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Drivesitfar's Reed
sorry for the poor picture of mine, but I was going to post a before and after restore and haven't had time to set up my shop and "E" tank yet.
I have plenty of rust to remove since it's raining vises if you don't grab them quick the rust begins.
oldldh
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If it's raining vises up there...
I would suggest a man-hole-cover umbrella, at the very least...
I would suggest a man-hole-cover umbrella, at the very least...