Need advice on dismantling my viSe.

[toomanytoyzz]

I bought this diamond in the rough a few months back to restore and keep. Today was the day that I decided to do a three minute tear down to hit a roadblock on the dynamic jaw. I got the allen heads out without a problem, but couldn't seem to pry the jaw loose. The static jaw come off fairly easy with a little wiggle work to get the jaw removed from the splined pin seen in the pic. I'm 99.99% sure that this is why I can't get the dynamic jaw off.

It's currently soaking in a molasses bath along with all the other parts. I still want to separate the jaw and hope the de-rusting process will help me out. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

[toomanytoyzz]

Anyone??

I'm sure the molasses will break down the rust bond, but it still seemed to be fused together. I'm sure the splined pin in the center doesn't help any either. Were they common on a lot of Bullets?

 

[evintho]

Can you get to that area with the pin to soak it with PB Blaster? I would soak it, tap around it lightly with a small ball peen hammer, let it sit overnight, repeat the process the next day and try to pound the jaw off with a deadblow hammer. Keep repeating the process until the jaw seperates.

 

[CNGsaves]

Full immersion bath in diesel fuel.

Check on it after a few days.

 

[toomanytoyzz]

It's currently submerged in a vat of molasses. It's worked for removing rust bonds in the past on leaf sprig shackles with seized pins which usually can only be removed by getting said parts cherry red via a heating tip or even worse firing up the sparkle wrench to perform aggressive surgery. I'll let you know how I make out.

 

[greaseswabber]

I just acquired a 1989 Wilton 1750. I've been searching the boards for rust removal techniques. How did the vise restoration work out? Did you get the jaws removed? Was the molasses bath sufficient or did you have to use other means?

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[toomanytoyzz]

I just acquired a 1989 Wilton 1750. I've been searching the boards for rust removal techniques. How did the vise restoration work out? Did you get the jaws removed? Was the molasses bath sufficient or did you have to use other means?

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Turned out great. It also let me break free the jaw with ease after a ten day soak. Here's a pic of the final product. It's been sold.

 

[drivesitfar]

just curious how many vises or how long the molasses lasts before you throw it out? do you put it in a 5 gallon bucket with a lid and did you dilute 7 to 1 with water (7 parts molasses and 1 part water)?

did you bake nice rusty cookies with it after it did it's job or was it a hazardous waste drop?

nice job as usual on your vise

 

[CNGsaves]

WOW, that turned out terrific !!

How about some more pics here to show off your work !!

Also, post your best pics in the Vises of GJ Thread along with a link back to this build thread. Great job.

 

[usmc_noma]

Damn that's nice. What paint did you use for the resto? Did you spray or brush it on?

 

[drivesitfar]

just an FYI. this vise restore thread TooMany started was about 3 months ago so he may not get back to us with our questions quickly or at all if he has done 20 more vises since that one.

 

[toomanytoyzz]

just an FYI. this vise restore thread TooMany started was about 3 months ago so he may not get back to us with our questions quickly or at all if he has done 20 more vises since that one.

No. Not twenty, but the way they keep stocking up I'll be restoring them until this summer. A buddy I work with who cleans out estates just got me a large and very old Charles Parker I can't wait to redo. I'll post pics once he brings it in on Friday.

The paint is Bosny (European line). You can get it off of ebay. I love the way it sprays and they have alot of nice colors.

 

[drivesitfar]

good luck with your new Parker find and the other vises. did you end up getting that antique welding table that was so cool for less than $200 or was it too far and too heavy to ship?

i'm heading to the feed store to get some animal grade molasses for a couple vises that might have been left outside for 50 years to see how it works. since i'm buying 10 or 20 gallons just curious how you mixed yours or did you just use pure molasses. how long can it sit in the bucket and wait for another vise or do you need to dump it after a couple vises?

dumping at hazardous waste or you can PM me with another idea besides baking cookies.

thanks

 

[tjmonsen5]

Awesome restoration! He does good work!

 

[ZRX61]

just curious how many vises or how long the molasses lasts before you throw it out? do you put it in a 5 gallon bucket with a lid and did you dilute 7 to 1 with water (7 parts molasses and 1 part water)?

I use about 10:1 water to molasses.

 

[toomanytoyzz]

good luck with your new Parker find and the other vises. did you end up getting that antique welding table that was so cool for less than $200 or was it too far and too heavy to ship?

i'm heading to the feed store to get some animal grade molasses for a couple vises that might have been left outside for 50 years to see how it works. since i'm buying 10 or 20 gallons just curious how you mixed yours or did you just use pure molasses. how long can it sit in the bucket and wait for another vise or do you need to dump it after a couple vises?

dumping at hazardous waste or you can PM me with another idea besides baking cookies.

thanks

I just sent him half the $$ via paypal. Gonna headup Sat. to pick it up. Can't wait.

The last batch I dumped was over a year old. You will notice it takes a lot longer to get the metal clean once it starts to break down. ZRX61 is correct. I go 10 parts water to 1 part molasses.

Awesome restoration! He does good work!

Thanks Tyler!!

 

[toomanytoyzz]

Here's two I just picked up a few weeks ago for $60 (that's for the pair of 'em) off of CL. The No. 206 Parker is a keeper, and I gave the other one (I think it's a Reed or maybe a Prentiss) to my father-in-law who wants to restore it. I guess I'm rubbing off on him.

 

[drivesitfar]

$60 for 2 nice old vises? YS is a term I don't like using, but you did on this one big time. both look like they have great parts under the rust.

just to be clear the molasses breaks down the longer it sits and so the de rusting process takes longer? in that year did you have a top on the 5 gallon bucket the entire time or was it sitting open to the air? how many vises would you say you cleaned in that time before it slowed down to a slower pace than molasses before you had to dump it?

again thanks for the help and have fun with your new and very unique welding table.

 

[ZRX61]

since i'm buying 10 or 20 gallons just curious how you mixed yours or did you just use pure molasses.

At 10:1 ratio, 10 gallons is enough to make 100 gallons of mix.... I bought a 5gallon bucket at the feed store for about $15. It you're using a 5gal bucket for the vise & mix that's only 1/2gallon of molasses each time you make a mix.

 

[drivesitfar]

ZR: glad you pointed that out because I thought it was the other way around and closer to a real molasses mix. If that is true i'm not so concerned about the length of time before throwing it out.

just curious how many times you have tried this and does it work ok even though quite a bit slower than Electrolysis?

thank you

 

[toomanytoyzz]

I'm guessing since the molasses comes from nature it breaks down with time. It seemed to me that at the end of the year it would take twice as long to do a similar sized vise. Once I dumped it and started a fresh pot it was like night and day.

I always covered it since it does have a strong odor, and will bring the fruit flies. I also store it in a tote since I'll have multiple items in there at once. Right now I have a bunch of hinges off of the 1972 Toyota Landcruiser I'm restoring along with a REALLY old 3" Reed vise I scored over the summer as well as a bunch of vintage metal farm implements I scored at an auction for $5. I'll clean that stuff up and sell it for really good money on fleebay. The "hipsters" eat that kind of stuff up even though they probably don't have a clue as to what it is.

Check out this vid.

He also has a couple others as well. This is where I decided to give it a whirl. I swear by it.

 

[drivesitfar]

I was planning on using a good size plastic storage box with a lid for my Electrolysis i'm close to setting up so with the mix being 10 parts water to 1 part molasses I think I'll use a similar container.

can you verify that solution mix because I had it the other way around and ZR just corrected me? thanks for the idea so I can do more than one rusty vise or tool at a time too.

 

[toomanytoyzz]

10 parts water to 1 part molasses. So, if you are only looking to do vises I'd buy one maybe two (at the most) gallon(s) of molasses and mix it with either ten gallons of water and add one of the gallons of molasses or twenty gallons of water to the two gallons of molasses.

The way I mix it up is to empty the gallon of molasses into the plastic tote and then fill the same empty molasses container using my trusty garden hose ten times dumping each gallon into the container. A five gallon jerry can would also work, but that's in my other shed so I just use the gallon container.

 

[drivesitfar]

sounds good. I might use one of my empty 5 gallon plastic buckets too for the water. in any case that really helps and I appreciate the help.

I hope you like that fancy welding table. even if you don't weld on it just having a small table that looks that cool in you shop should bring a smile to your face just looking at it.