Outlawmws
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Dayton is Grangers house brand. Possibly blue point, but those are re-badge tools. You want the actual OEM. I'm thinking Wissota? 
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Thx! I looked at a few others and maybe made by Milwaukee Elec? Granted, the badge rivet holes are easily changed for different branding, but I stumbled on some older Milwaukees' with the same base and same badging rivet holes. The grinder will be delivered tomorrow, so i'm crossing my fingers there is something on it somewhere. I purchased it as an "unknown" listing.
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Dayton is Grangers house brand. Possibly blue point, but those are re-badge tools. You want the actual OEM. I'm thinking Wissota?
Maybe Wissota, but I think it's more likely a Doerr.
Doerr was owned by Grainger from the late 1960s to the mid 1980s, and most of the Dayton-badged grinders made during that time were made by Doerr.
Outlawmws
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WWII! Where've you been? I was beginning to think you had driven that Jeep into something you couldn't drive out of!
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Hi Outlaw. I've been around, just not much need to ID stuff because you and Zkling usually get to them ahead of me.
The jeep has always gone in and out of anywhere I've been brave enough (or dumb enough) to take it.
Geurt
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Been picking these things up around here for a while. Seems like everyone wants to throw them out cause there old. 
Sure can't find anything like them new!
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Wanted to ask if anyone is familiar with this 8in Stanley grinder? Came on the Stanley stand/cabinet and it a great little grinder. Very sooth and powerfull. Cabinet is VERY useful for keeping all the other grinder loose parts in. 
All cast iron covers and rests. Included the blade sharpening rest on right side which I find very handy. Anyone know if Stanley built this grinder or is it re-branded by someone? Anyone guess on the age?
All cast iron covers and rests. Included the blade sharpening rest on right side which I find very handy. Anyone know if Stanley built this grinder or is it re-branded by someone? Anyone guess on the age?Attachments
Wanted to ask if anyone is familiar with this 8in Stanley grinder? Came on the Stanley stand/cabinet and it a great little grinder. Very sooth and powerfull. Cabinet is VERY useful for keeping all the other grinder loose parts in.
Yeah, I've got one just like it, including the stand and plane iron and chisel grinding attachment. I'll bet if you measure the wheels, you'll find it's a 7" grinder (Model 697), not an 8" (Model 638). If yours really is an 8", somebody swapped out the standard right-hand tool rest that came with the 638 for the plane iron and chisel grinding attachment from a 697.
It's 1960s-70s vintage. No easy way to narrow that down because they didn't make any major changes to it during the whole production life of that model (roughly 1958 to 1981).
Stanley didn't make any of their bench grinders themselves. Early ones from the 1930s/40s/50s were made by Kingston-Conley, who also made grinders for several other well-known brands (Walker-Turner, Skil, Millers Falls, Blue-Point and Atlas, to name a few). The maker of the later ones like yours from the 1960s/70s is unknown. It's possible Kingston-Conley made those too, but I tend to doubt that because I think they stopped making grinders in the late 1950s or early 1960s. Wissota is another possibility, as well as Doerr.
Regardless of who the actual manufacturer was, that style of Stanley grinder stands very high on the list of the best grinders made in the US at the time, and is as good as or better than any bench grinder of similar size made today (including Baldor).
Wow, Dave. Excellent work on that Milwaukee!
Thanks!
Yes, I had to improvise and use a base from a generic 8" HF grinder. It turned out to be a perfect fit. I'd like to stumble onto the original base but not confident one will ever turn up.
This stuff matched the original Milwaukee wrinkle finish and worked great. However the directions had to be followed closely because it's not like using ordinary spray paint.
More images here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214701&highlight=milwaukee+grinder
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Wow, Dave. Excellent work on that Milwaukee!
^ +1 on that. Really nice resto Dave.
BTW. Where did you get the replacement eye shields? The reason I ask is that I've got two grinders with broken eye shields. I was thinking about just buying some perspex and having a go at making them myself.
^ +1 on that. Really nice resto Dave.
BTW. Where did you get the replacement eye shields? The reason I ask is that I've got two grinders with broken eye shields. I was thinking about just buying some perspex and having a go at making them myself.
I wasn't too happy about the eye shields and redid them a couple months ago. I bought this set from Zoro Tools and made the mounting brackets.
http://www.zorotools.com/g/00053760/k-G2894455?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&kw={keyword}&gclid=CP-rtreAs7wCFQmCfgodGRgAgw
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TMcCay
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I have been wanting to find an old Craftsman block grinder. Just haven't come across one that I thought was worth the price.
Ok thanks. They like good, but I though the previous ones looked pretty good too.
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Thanks WWII, I didn't know the year. It seems to be in pretty decent shape, and you are probably right on the size. I will have to measure again. Was thinking it was larger than the Delta's, but maybe not. IIRC, 1725 is the speed. The eye shields are in good working order, and though they say Stanley I have seen countless other grinders with this same shield. I have been guessing Wissota, just based on the look of the motor and end bells, but not familiar with Doerr?
I agree with you 100%. I have a couple of Baldor's and I have to say that this Stanley is every bit the grinder that the Baldor is! I purchased this Stanley before the "Delta" fever gripped me, and I have thought to replace it with the Delta's, or Baldor's, but I just can't seem to pass it on. I love it, and really like the stand/cabinet. Very handy. Thanks for the info.
The eye shields are (were) a Stanley product, but they advertised and sold them separately, and they were optional accessories on a lot of other brands of grinders.
I'm pretty sure Stanley held the patent on them.
Doerr Electric Co. was founded by Lee Doerr, son of Emil Doerr. Emil was the "dor" in Baldor (the "Bal" was Edwin Ballman). Grainger bought Doerr in 1969 and sold it to Emerson in 1986.
Doerr made motors and grinders for several brands, most notably for Rockwell-Delta and Dayton (Grainger).
I agree that those Stanley grinders have some similarities to Wissota, but they also have similarities to Doerr, particularly the styling of the base.
Beautiful! That looks exactly like my walker turner.
Thanks WW, that explains a lot. Know that the Stanley shields seem to show up pretty often around here.
Nice info on the Baldor's. Now I am off to check out the Doerr's...
drivesitfar
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Doerr Electric Co. was founded by Lee Doerr, son of Emil Doerr. Emil was the "dor" in Baldor (the "Bal" was Edwin Ballman). Grainger bought Doerr in 1969 and sold it to Emerson in 1986.
Doerr made motors and grinders for several brands, most notably for Rockwell-Delta and Dayton (Grainger).
thanks WWII for filling in the story of the owners and makers of the best grinders ever made. there might be a better grinder or motor than Baldor, but I'm not sure who makes one because they are second to none IMHO.
Doerr made motors and grinders for several brands, most notably for Rockwell-Delta and Dayton (Grainger).
thanks WWII for filling in the story of the owners and makers of the best grinders ever made. there might be a better grinder or motor than Baldor, but I'm not sure who makes one because they are second to none IMHO.
Nelson58
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Would love to find an old base for my Baldor I picked up on fleabay and restore it. The new bases are sky high...
mrbreezeet1
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too bad your not around here, there were a few on CL here for $100.00 each. Think they are still there.
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/4289438637.html
too bad your not around here, there were a few on CL here for $100.00 each. Think they are still there.
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/4289438637.html
The one on the left is a Baldor. The one on the right is a Delta/Rockwell.
They're very similar in appearance, but the bolt pattern dimensions on top are just different enough to prevent interchangeable use by both brands.
Nelson58
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too bad your not around here, there were a few on CL here for $100.00 each. Think they are still there.
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/4289438637.html
Dangit- those are nice! The shipping is a killer usually.
I bought a "cheap" base from Enco for $60, not nearly as pretty as those. Wish I could find one closer.
Steroblan
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Picked up this Milwaukee 8" 3/4 hp yesterday ($50). Not really vintage catagory yet but a "classic quality" grinder. Almost identical to my Dayton. It's missing the tool rests so I'm on the lookout.
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Outlawmws
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Nice! I like it!
drivesitfar
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Pic: nice grinder and stand and good for you going out in all that snow and picking that beast up and taking it home. any chance you can post a picture of the specs or just list them? looks like single phase and is it? did you get to plug it in and hear it run?
very nice and looks like it can be passed on down to the grandkids and their grandkids.
very nice and looks like it can be passed on down to the grandkids and their grandkids.
I can tell you this much about it just from the picture:
1. It's single-phase.
2. It's a Delta 7" grinder. Takes 3/4" wide x 7" diameter wheels (1" wide wheels probably won't quite fit on that one).
3. It's somewhere between 72 and 78 years old (they only offered them with that style pedestal between 1936 and 1942).
4. It appears to be in complete and original condition.
5. Huge SCORE!
drivesitfar
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thanks WWII and i'm betting you are right on again. just curious if you could only have 2 grinders in your garage which brand and year might they be? or which ones do you own if you don't mind sharing?
I do like these old grinders that are built like a battleship, but I've now got a 1964 Craftsman commercial and 2 Baldor 3/4 HP single phase buffers that might be only 10 years old that will all have different wheels on them. anything better to use than the Baldors?
i helped a friend find a Burr King so he could make knives, but man those are spendy.
I do like these old grinders that are built like a battleship, but I've now got a 1964 Craftsman commercial and 2 Baldor 3/4 HP single phase buffers that might be only 10 years old that will all have different wheels on them. anything better to use than the Baldors?
i helped a friend find a Burr King so he could make knives, but man those are spendy.
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Fretters
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Just thought to take a photo whilst in the shed. Not sure if these'll exactly classify as vintage in the general sense.
Outlawmws
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Of course they do.
Fretters
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Makes a change for someone not to call my stuff rusty old tat. Just been looking through the rest of the thread. Notice you have a belt driven too. Nice looking piece. Are you keeping the V belt drive on it or putting it back to it's original flat belt drive?
Just been looking through the rest of the thread. Notice you have a belt driven too. Nice looking piece. Are you keeping the V belt drive on it or putting it back to it's original flat belt drive?Outlawmws
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Thanks. Since the plan was to make if a slow speed grinder with a jack shaft, I was planning to leave the V belt, but I have since bought an older Craftsman self contained slow speed grinder, so not sure what I'll finally do with it.
To many projects, too little time...
To many projects, too little time...
Fretters
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If it were I, I'd be tempted to either go with a small cast iron V pulley else a flat belt pulley on it. I think either would set it off nicely. Aluminium pulleys tend to look a bit out of place on old gear, I always think. You could always use a reduction gearbox for running it if you stay with the slow speed idea.
I can sympathise with you on that score.
Never enough hours in a day.
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