General Geoff
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impact sockets are usually made from a slightly softer steel (that's often thicker) than chromed hand sockets. They last a lot longer under impact wrenches, and when they do fail, they just crack instead of shatter.
6 point socket on 12 point bolt?
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BDT/NWMN
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Hold the horses...... You just ordered ProTo J7412MT 1/2"drive 12mm 12 point impact........... This socket will not be skinny like the socket in the Amazon """""generic""""' picture.....
the drive end has a diameter of 15/16"
the nut end has a diameter of 11/16"
little different than what you already have...
Wakefield
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thick is usually stronger than thin-unless made of Lobsterclaw chinesium potmetal
but to make thin strong when it has to be-more expensive! (that's my opinion)
sometimes has to be thin to fit
I see something on Snapon website expensive-have no idea if it would work! S6160
but to make thin strong when it has to be-more expensive! (that's my opinion)
sometimes has to be thin to fit
I see something on Snapon website expensive-have no idea if it would work! S6160
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shockwave
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Interesting did u try and find 1/4 drive or a deep well
Wamsutta
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Would that Subaru be 1995 or newer by any chance?
http://image.snapon.com/international/pdf/s6214_npa.pdf
http://image.snapon.com/international/pdf/s6214_npa.pdf
purplezr2
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KnurledNut
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These are what he is after.
Here's a good write up if ya need a walk-thru:
http://www.rs25.com/forums/f105/t74366-tearing-down-ejxx-block-pictures-head-removal-splitting-block.html
Here's a good write up if ya need a walk-thru:
http://www.rs25.com/forums/f105/t74366-tearing-down-ejxx-block-pictures-head-removal-splitting-block.html
skylinegtr20
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Here is the socket you need... 100% know this is the one as I used it wednesday on a EJ 
If you put ARP's in, you will need a 3/8 drive 12 Point 1/2 socket.
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item..._ID=631688&group_ID=674837&store=&dir=catalog
If you put ARP's in, you will need a 3/8 drive 12 Point 1/2 socket.http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item..._ID=631688&group_ID=674837&store=&dir=catalog
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nicksnothereman
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You're gonna round the stuff out of it. Probably be better to go at it with a pair of pliers (which you shouldn't do). Go buy a set of craftsman universals for 12 bucks or just buy the single 12 point socket for like 4 bucks.
If you don't want to...maybe you can get a 12 point wrench on there?
Unmarked Bill
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I am surprised I didn't see anyone already say to just grind the one you have down till it fits in the hole and leave it in a junk drawer for when you have to get at that bolt. I have drawersfull of sacrificial junk tools for stuff like that.
skylinegtr20
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nicksnothereman
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Construction should be different. Typically thicker walls on the cr-v impacts. Maybe your "impacts" aren't actually impact sockets, maybe they're just "black" (black nickel sockets). Take a look at the thickness of the wall if they're cr-v.
I don't know if the crmo impacts are as thick as the crv impacts I'd assume they'd be similar.
MattPersman
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How can a lowes Home Depot ace hardware true value etc not have a 12 mm 12 point socket in 3/8 drive chrome in a town near you, get a shallow if that's all that's avail and an extension you could be done with this already that 1/2 proto is probably not going to fit. Heck a neighbor might have one in there crummy craftsman set in there garage that is really not an uncommon socket. Many cheap sets came with 12 point only.
monkeyspanners
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I have no use for one of those but really want one now!
mailpup
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I've have seen some impact sockets made with CR-V instead of CR-Mo, at least they were marketed as impact sockets. While I don't know, it is possible the percentage mix of CR-V in the impact sockets is different from regular chrome sockets giving it different properties.
I understand you want a 12 pt. impact socket for your project. Since you have already ordered one, you'll find out soon enough whether or not it will be suitable for your purposes. If not, you'll just have to choose another.
It may work for this case, may not. But for anyone reading this, ive ground down the sides of a socket in order for one to fit. A small sacrifice and a great time saver. If they spilt a little weld and their good to go again.
I just hope this trick helps someone somewhere.
I just hope this trick helps someone somewhere.
my fault for not taking a picture before I returned the socket back to Advance auto but the gearwrench socket they had in 1/2" the neck where the socket connects to the wrench was much larger, had I taken a picture of it when showing the area I was trying to get to it would of been pretty apparent that the socket was not going to work.
The socket I ordered should work.
You can see the socket I was talking about.. manged to at least get it on video before I returned it since they have no picture of it on the advance site.
The part were it gets hung up is the part where the socket connects to, if that hump was not so large then it would fit.. I guess it's just a cheap socket thing.
The part were it gets hung up is the part where the socket connects to, if that hump was not so large then it would fit.. I guess it's just a cheap socket thing.
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BDT/NWMN
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Yep that 1/2" drive socket, and the one you pictured in post #17, are typical of1/2"drive, 12mm sockets..
the ProTo socket you ordered has a drive end diameter of 15/16" or .9375"
here are a few others12mm, 12 point sockets; according to my ProTo micrometer:
Craftsman 1/2" drive, standard depth... .867"
Stanley 1/2" drive, standard depth....... .858"
Harbor Freight Pittsburgh Pro 1/2 drive,
standard depth................................... .863"
Craftsman 3/8" drive, deep well........... .689"
Craftsman 3/8" drive, standard depth... .679"
That ProTo impact will have a drive end diameter wider than the three """"typical"""" 1/2" drive sockets I just measured.... It is possible that the Parts store socket you tried was even "extra" wider than these,,,,,, buuttttt,,
.... And that is possible... At least that appears to be what you hope for..
If the ProTo is too large on the drive end? Grind for a proper fit so it fully seats on the bolt head;;;;;straight....... I would not attempt to remove those bolts with a socket caulked at an angle... Remember,,, that engine also has to go back together, and you will want the bolt heads and the socket to be in good condition to insure that they can be properly retorqued to specs... If I recall, your socket will arrive tomorrow.... Keep us posted..... If you need one of the 3/8"drive Craftsman sockets mentioned above; just yell,,, I'll e-mail you one
Yep that 1/2" drive socket, and the one you pictured in post #17, are typical of1/2"drive, 12mm sockets..
the ProTo socket you ordered has a drive end diameter of 15/16" or .9375"
here are a few others12mm, 12 point sockets; according to my ProTo micrometer:
Craftsman 1/2" drive, standard depth... .867"
Stanley 1/2" drive, standard depth....... .858"
Harbor Freight Pittsburgh Pro 1/2 drive,
standard depth................................... .863"
Craftsman 3/8" drive, deep well........... .689"
Craftsman 3/8" drive, standard depth... .679"
That ProTo impact will have a drive end diameter wider than the three """"typical"""" 1/2" drive sockets I just measured.... It is possible that the Parts store socket you tried was even "extra" wider than these,,,,,, buuttttt,,
.... And that is possible... At least that appears to be what you hope for..
If the ProTo is too large on the drive end? Grind for a proper fit so it fully seats on the bolt head;;;;;straight....... I would not attempt to remove those bolts with a socket caulked at an angle... Remember,,, that engine also has to go back together, and you will want the bolt heads and the socket to be in good condition to insure that they can be properly retorqued to specs... If I recall, your socket will arrive tomorrow.... Keep us posted..... If you need one of the 3/8"drive Craftsman sockets mentioned above; just yell,,, I'll e-mail you one
Well I wont be putting this block back in service because of a spun bearing and crankshaft damage.. It's more of learning how to but I will let you know how it goes tomorrow.
No good with that Stanley, it sure as hell did not look like the socket pictured online.. not sure how they call it thin wall..
interesting that a 3/8" 12 mm 12 pt are really only in tool sets and not sold separate.
I'm not buying a set for one socket that's going to be a one time use.
interesting that a 3/8" 12 mm 12 pt are really only in tool sets and not sold separate.
I'm not buying a set for one socket that's going to be a one time use.
devoncoolman
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Just buy a cheap socket and grind it down. Simple fix.
BDT/NWMN
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That is the point I stressed in post #44; that the Amazon photo you posted was a """""generic""""" photo, and would not represent what the socket you ordered would look like.......
I don't know who fed you the BS that a 3/8" drive-12mm-12 point socket cannot be purchased separately,, I won't swallow that turd!!
If you want some sources and order numbers,, just yell,,,, No problem..
You can buy 3/8 12mm sockets by themselves a lot of places. Lowes, Sears, kmart, online. 12mm 12 point is not a rare creature.