The VISES of Garage Journal

[bigcaddy]

That's a Hollands. I can't tell you about the quality because I've never had one.

Is it true? You don't have a pair of Hollands 28 vises on your front porch like decorative statues to greet your guests?


Hollands are seemingly well made and the fit/finish is pretty nice overall. Not to many voids or defects from the factory.

 

[ShadowRuleZ]

Check this one out that's in an upcoming estate sale, looks like it's made out of plate.

 

[jsokoly]

Good find on the Reed. Just be careful about snatching up Reed vises in EOC jasons area. Hes liable to come drive his forklift through your garage in a fit of rage

EOCJason is hunting my old stomping grounds. Plenty to keep him busy down there. I suspect his old iron is already creating a magnetic anomaly. No shortage of iron in Houston!

 

[oldldh]

Reed 209????


Oh, it's a midget Reed...


You still ****, though...


If it had been a 209 for $15.00, you'd wished the Mafia had issued a contract on you!!!

 

[CudaChick1968]

Good find on the Reed. Just be careful about snatching up Reed vises in EOC jasons area. Hes liable to come drive his forklift through your garage in a fit of rage

Ruh rohhhh, I didn't know about that. I figured if he posted the link then he'd already taken his pick.

 

[CudaChick1968]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-PAIR-OF-G...1?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item5af3db3bb9

I've bought many of these copper jaws that are Wilton and 6 inches wide for $30 shipped. i could trim them down for smaller vises, but have yet to do so and they work great. also my paypal barely gets processed and the package arrives at my door 3000 miles away. the sellers are awesome so giving them a big thumbs up too.

Cuda: also just an FYI. when i am cutting, sanding, grinding or whatever on something in the jaws of my vise i usually put a rag over the slide to keep the shavings out of my vises. it is easier to shake a rag off that might take some of your lubrication from your vise than to re grease or oil than to have to do a full cleaning when it gets gummed up with the crud.

Fretters don't change a thing and we'll get used to some of the words you throw at us. also just saw your post and these jaws are maybe an eighth inch thick. they are not flimsy, but the wings will bend down nicely down over your vise to hold them in place.

Nice, thank you! Thanks to "That's how dad taught me to do it," I've always been in the habit of laying a clean rag in the valley between the jaws to minimize metal damage -- most of the time it also helps with grip.

Keep those tips coming gentlemen! It's all appreciated.

 

[wrenchguy]

Uhhh? what might a parker 108 weigh?



************False alarm******** This turns out tobe a 106 with 5" jaws************** got it anyway.

Pics of the yost 207 coming soon.

 

[EOC_Jason]

EOCJason is hunting my old stomping grounds. Plenty to keep him busy down there. I suspect his old iron is already creating a magnetic anomaly. No shortage of iron in Houston!

LOL... You would think there would be plenty down here, but it is pretty slim pickings... Either it's junk or it's crazy overpriced...

I'm holding out for an 8" or 9" Reed, and a 6" or larger Athol 926 (or whatever the equivalent combo model number is)...

Don't get me wrong, if I come across a deal on something good I'll probably grab it...

I don't know why I want such large vises... They are such a back-breaker to work on and clean up. When you work on a little one you realize how nice and easy they are... lol...

 

[Filson]

After a bit of dry spell on my vise hunting, I struck pay dirt! This was listed on CL as a "vice grip" for $15. I saw it last night and immediately recognized the screw knob as a Reed. The owner insisted that the vise had no manufacturer info on it and he told me he had been corrected and it was actually a vice and NOT a vice grip...and wanted to know if I was still interested!

I couldn't go get it until after work today so I was sure it would be gone but amazingly, he held it for me. He gladly accepted the $15 (I didn't try to haggle) and he said he was surprised there was so much interest because he had several calls! So, if I snagged it out from under one of you guys, I'm sorry, but not TOO sorry.

Reed 204 1/2. Lots of nasty paint and tape residue. It's headed for the electro bath tonight!

Happy hunting!
Jeff

Dear Jeff,

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Sincerely,
Filson.

 

[bl00]

Is it true? You don't have a pair of Hollands 28 vises on your front porch like decorative statues to greet your guests?

I was thinking that I didn't need any more big vises, but you have shown me the way. I come here for wisdom like that.

 

[wrenchguy]

Re: Yost 207

Cracked slide and brazed back in the day. Couldn't get it out of the static, used cutoff wheel to relieve the the crack. With clamp it slid right out. Broken foot.
thanks 4 looking.

 

[Mark in Indiana]

Re: Yost 207

Cracked slide and brazed back in the day. Couldn't get it out of the static, used cutoff wheel to relieve the the crack. With clamp it slid right out. Broken foot.
thanks 4 looking.

Thanks for using the Old Style can in your pictures. Brings back memories of my wasted youth in Northern Illinois and Southern Wisconsin.

 

[wrenchguy]

Re: Yost 207

Thanks for using the Old Style can in your pictures. Brings back memories of my wasted youth in Northern Illinois and Southern Wisconsin.

I'm sure it wasn't wasted, i bet u learned alot back then, like school of hard knocks.

my kids can't stand my beer, there all growed up and go 4 those mod fad beverages.

 

[balane]

Re: Yost 207

my kids can't stand my beer, there all growed up and go 4 those mod fad beverages.

Like those drinks with Red Bull in it? I see a lot of young people drinking those.

 

[bigcaddy]

Does anybody on here have a working Wilton universal turret vise? I've got one that needs some work but the drawings online don't help much.

Mine won't close and I suspect it something to do with the floating rear nut not working properly or a possible missing e clip

 

[Mark in Indiana]

Re: Yost 207

I'm sure it wasn't wasted, i bet u learned alot back then, like school of hard knocks.

my kids can't stand my beer, there all growed up and go 4 those mod fad beverages.

I've often said that if I was allergic to alcohol, tobacco, perfume & gasoline, I'd be a billionaire by now…but damn, it was great to grow up when the music was cool and the cars were hot!!!

 

[wrenchguy]

Re: Yost 207

Like those drinks with Red Bull in it? I see a lot of young people drinking those.

my youngest (27) partakes that sometimes, but his brothers and sisters mostly do these new small startup breweries. i'm not sure what they're really called.

 

[Outlawmws]

Is it true? You don't have a pair of Hollands 28 vises on your front porch like decorative statues to greet your guests?


Hollands are seemingly well made and the fit/finish is pretty nice overall. Not to many voids or defects from the factory.

OHhhhhhh! I LIKE this Idea! Hmmm I have a pair of Reed 104-1/2 fixed base Reeds!

 

[bubinga2]

$125

http://binghamton.craigslist.org/atq/4375452448.html




Did Parker take Smith over? cause those jaws are definitely Parker!

Hmmm I wonder if Smith is linked to LC Smith (Another shotgun MFG.)?

Does anyone have info on Emmert mechanics vises? Even just a date range would be awesome. I've searched around a few times and could never really find much hard info on their "Tiger" series vises. Thanks to this tread I've been inspired to do some painting. Hopefully I can get it done this week. Any info would be appreciated.

I have one of those Tiger vises, made by Emmert but not sure when. Not much in the catalogs about them. I believe the original color was green.

Please show more photos.....

 

[Outlawmws]

If it is close to the pin in this drawing then PM me (Private Message). I have a couple.
The taper pins are a ****** to measure, I have a #20 Prentiss to go by but have struck out getting correct measurements from others for different sized pins.

Hello to all - new to this, but an old hand around the Wrangler Forum, so I have a few clues about how to participate.

Anyway, I have an old Reed vise I recently put back to work. I've had it for years and lucky for me it had a brand-new nut with it. The old one was stripped out so I replaced the nut. Now I face another problem - I need the tapered pin that holds the swivel jaw in place. I haven't had any luck finding one anywhere on the net. I no longer have access to an engine lathe or I could turn one and fit it in an hour or two.




The pin looks and measures up to about the size of a #12 tapered dowel pin. You can't buy them off the shelf either, though you can order one from a couple of places for an exorbitant price. To get to the point, does anyone have one or know where I can get one? It is for a Reed NO. 406.

Thanks for reading this!

AFAIK, the Reeds also used a 6 deg taper pin. The one someone measured for me was about 1.09 on the business end., and about .600 on the big end.

KM, nice that you scrounged the drawing, or did you make it up yourself?

The best pin implementation I've seen is the normal pin on one end, and a short 6 deg taper on the other so after you pull it, you flip it over and plug it back in (Less likely to misplace it) and since it doesn't engage the base, you can move the jaw.

 

[Filson]

Re: Yost 207

my youngest (27) partakes that sometimes, but his brothers and sisters mostly do these new small startup breweries. i'm not sure what they're really called.

Microbrewery.

At 28, I have to say I do like my Widmer Hefeweizen but I just don't really drink much period.

 

[zkling]

I have one of those Tiger vises, made by Emmert but not sure when. Not much in the catalogs about them. I believe the original color was green.

Please show more photos.....

Awesome, thanks for chiming in bubinga. I've had a heck of a hard time getting info on the old Emmert non wood vises. Thanks to another member who can identify themself if they would like, I was informed that they were made in the early 1900's. Say teens, 20's and possibly 30's.

As for color I have no idea, mine had many a coats of paint when I got it, so...
If it's not raining tomorrow I'll get some full pics. It's a "Tiger 40" , 4" jaws and a swivel base. What number is yours? Jaw width and fixed base?

 

[Outlawmws]

Jeff, you surely **** for the $15 Reed!

 

[Outlawmws]

Does anybody on here have a working Wilton universal turret vise? I've got one that needs some work but the drawings online don't help much.

Mine won't close and I suspect it something to do with the floating rear nut not working properly or a possible missing e clip

Hopeless cause - PM me for the disposal site address for hopeless causes.

 

[KMScott]

AFAIK, the Reeds also used a 6 deg taper pin. The one someone measured for me was about 1.09 on the business end., and about .600 on the big end.

KM, nice that you scrounged the drawing, or did you make it up yourself?

The best pin implementation I've seen is the normal pin on one end, and a short 6 deg taper on the other so after you pull it, you flip it over and plug it back in (Less likely to misplace it) and since it doesn't engage the base, you can move the jaw.

I made the drawing Outlaw, in fact I guess you can say I collect drawings. I have a drawing of over 125 jaws and pipe jaws. Working on handles and swivel clamps now.

I have at least 3 parts made of each drawing and now have taken over my wife's laundry room that is full of Tupperware type boxes with all the jaws and parts organized. The shop is plum full of vises for reference. The funny thing is I have a day job and I make these parts after work. I guess you can say I have the vise bug. Thanks to a few of you here.

The tapered pins are hard to measure unless I have the vise in front of me or a good pin as reference. Some day I will get a few more pins to measure and stock them to. I need the Prentiss # 21 and #22 pin or vise to measure. You had a great idea by making a shorter taper to fit in the swivel jaw while using the vise. It would have to have a pretty good under cut so you can grab it. I add a hole so the owner can put a round bar and twist the pin free.

 

[Groundscrapers]

Check out my Athol!
...no really... check it out lol. I found this in my garage one day sitting with some scrap stuff. I pulled it aside and it sat for another 7 years until now. I recently moved and now have the need for a vice about this size. I started cleaning it up and plan on restoring it to its former glory. The handle is bent so I was tossing around the idea of making a new one and polishing it with threaded ball ends. Final color is undecided but I am hoping to find out what the original color was and going in that direction.

 

[zkling]

found this in my garage one day sitting with some scrap stuff.

What the heck kind of scrap pile do you have that you just find vises in your garage? What else happens to find its way into said scrap pile?

You can just unbend the handle. 3 point bending in a press and a little patience will get it straight.

 

[Groundscrapers]

What the heck kind of scrap pile do you have that you just find vises in your garage? What else happens to find its way into said scrap pile?

You can just unbend the handle. 3 point bending in a press and a little patience will get it straight.

I'll get you a pic of my big vice. Its at least 8" wide in the jaws and has more then a foot of stroke. I had to move it with my tractor since its a bit much for 2 big guys with the base attached.

 

[Groundscrapers]

I also need to figure out how to get the screw out. There is what appears to be a retainer plate that holds it in place with a flat head and I have NO idea how they got a screw driver in there to tighten the damn thing.

 

[Filson]

I'll get you a pic of my big vice. Its at least 8" wide in the jaws and has more then a foot of stroke. I had to move it with my tractor since its a bit much for 2 big guys with the base attached.

Do share!

 

[va.grouseman]

Hello to all - new to this, but an old hand around the Wrangler Forum, so I have a few clues about how to participate.

Anyway, I have an old Reed vise I recently put back to work. I've had it for years and lucky for me it had a brand-new nut with it. The old one was stripped out so I replaced the nut. Now I face another problem - I need the tapered pin that holds the swivel jaw in place. I haven't had any luck finding one anywhere on the net. I no longer have access to an engine lathe or I could turn one and fit it in an hour or two.

The pin looks and measures up to about the size of a #12 tapered dowel pin. You can't buy them off the shelf either, though you can order one from a couple of places for an exorbitant price. To get to the point, does anyone have one or know where I can get one? It is for a Reed NO. 406.

Thanks for reading this!

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Welcome epossum to the forum.-----Welcome to a fellow Virginian.
If you have already gotten help in this matter then disregard.------I have a Reed 406 swivel jaw with pin of the which I can give you the specs if you like.
I'd also like to add that it's not that hard to make a pin without a lath although you might not get down to the thousandths in tolerances that you could with a lath.-------Here is page # and post# of 4 that I have made with a grinder and a drill. I use the old Marine motto. "Improvise, adapt, overcome." Something I learned from my Dad.

#18 Prentiss------page-488-------post-9758

Rock Island #136-------page-441-------post-8811

Rock Island #51--------page-510--------post-10184

Morgan #345B--------page-543--------post-10859

That 106 ain't no slouch. Good luck

 

[Fretters]

Hey Fretter's: We in Southern Indiana have always admired the British for having a master's skill on the English language.

In all honesty, half of our natives seem to have a very tenuous grasp of it these days. We old school types appear to be a dying breed.

LOL... You would think there would be plenty down here, but it is pretty slim pickings... Either it's junk or it's crazy overpriced...

Tend to find the same where I'm located. Ironically, seeing as most industry tended to be based around this end of England, (the Midlands and North), most of the decent stuff seems to be down South, and I'll be damned if I can figure out why. They've always dealt with the poncy stuff and had little heavy industry down there, as far as I know. If it wasn't for farmers and Lancastrians having a stash, I'd be almost without tools unless I could travel to the **** end of the country constantly.

I also need to figure out how to get the screw out. There is what appears to be a retainer plate that holds it in place with a flat head and I have NO idea how they got a screw driver in there to tighten the damn thing.

Any photo's?

 

[Fretters]

I'd also like to add that it's not that hard to make a pin without a lath although you might not get down to the thousandths in tolerances that you could with a lath.-------Here is page # and post# of 4 that I have made with a grinder and a drill. I use the old Marine motto. "Improvise, adapt, overcome." Something I learned from my Dad.

A pillar drill and a file would be another possible option. Even with the lathe(s), I still resort to files far more than I likely should. There's just something relaxing about filing.

You can just unbend the handle. 3 point bending in a press and a little patience will get it straight.

The rod straightening press setup. Works well. Perfect application for a fly press. Sometimes use that method in a standard vice too. Doesn't need vast amounts of pressure, a lot of the time, so they're quite happy with it. Two upright rods either end of the jaw and then a third upright rod in the middle on the opposite jaw, pressing against the bend/kink. Used that method for the damper aduster on the Rapidor, and got it straight as a die.

 

[bigcaddy]

I also need to figure out how to get the screw out. There is what appears to be a retainer plate that holds it in place with a flat head and I have NO idea how they got a screw driver in there to tighten the damn thing.

If you a referring to the operating handle of your Athol's vise, they can be a bit tricky to get out. The cotter pin has a washer held tight by spring pressure

A simple homemade tools works best. I use a Short lenght of PVC pipe with a notch at one end. It allows me to relive the pressure and slide the cotter pin out

If you want me to take a picture of my custom tool, I'll take one later this afternoon

 

[Fretters]

I use the same method, but using copper plumbing pipe. A notch at either side for the pin to sit in so that the washer can be pushed down to compress the spring, whilst leaving the pin free. Saves a lot of farting about.

 

[wrenchguy]

A pillar drill and a file would be another possible option. Even with the lathe(s), I still resort to files far more than I likely should. There's just something relaxing about filing.



A pillar drill.....

i love reading all this stuff, i read more last 6 months than last 65 years.

 

[Fretters]

What you would call a drill press, I believe. We refer to them as pillar, pedestal or bench drills.

 

[oldldh]

Ah, the English language...


Great Britain and America are two peoples separated by a common language...

 

[Groundscrapers]

If you a referring to the operating handle of your Athol's vise, they can be a bit tricky to get out. The cotter pin has a washer held tight by spring pressure

A simple homemade tools works best. I use a Short lenght of PVC pipe with a notch at one end. It allows me to relive the pressure and slide the cotter pin out

If you want me to take a picture of my custom tool, I'll take one later this afternoon

I never saw a cotter pin just this retainer plate held in with a machine screw. I can unscrew it to the point the operating handle will spin free. Am I missing something or is there somewhere else I should look on this thing. BTW would any of you be able to date this thing by the marking on it?

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Take the screw out, pull the clip up & out. You should be able to unscrew the handle all the way out of the slide. If it binds up in the main nut you might check the threads on the end of the screw for a nick or bad spot ?