bigcaddy
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It shows the same characteristics of a Morgan vise. It might be an economy line they made or an off brand.
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It shows the same characteristics of a Morgan vise. It might be an economy line they made or an off brand.
bigcaddy
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I don't think i posted pictures of this little guy on here but it was gift for my dad i found while on vacation in Michigan.
He like to mess around in his blacksmith shop when he has time so this one was perfect for him.
It was missing a few parts but he's already started to make them so it will be finished in a few weeks.
The UMD in the jaws is a typical pack of household matches.
He like to mess around in his blacksmith shop when he has time so this one was perfect for him.
It was missing a few parts but he's already started to make them so it will be finished in a few weeks.
The UMD in the jaws is a typical pack of household matches.
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FMC1959
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Bigcaddy looks to be right on the money. From this link it looks like Milwaukee tools distributes these Star vise as an economy Morgan, possibly an import
http://www.milwtool.com/v_star.htm
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Fretters
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That's very similar to the one I got along with the Parkinson last week. Is there an oblong hole behind the rear jaw to take a little anvil?
indianbullet
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Here is an old Yost Vise I found and rebuilt last week. Shot a little Pontiac Blue on her as it was a close match to the Original color. Jaws were in good shape, for $40 I couldn't go wrong.
I must say this SITE *****! I can't hardly get anything done from going through the compressor thread, then this Vise thread. Not to mention the work bench thread and welding bench saga.
There are so many amazingly talented people on this forum it blows my mind.
I must say this SITE *****! I can't hardly get anything done from going through the compressor thread, then this Vise thread. Not to mention the work bench thread and welding bench saga.
There are so many amazingly talented people on this forum it blows my mind.
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Craptain
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Looks good. Not a color I would ever have considered before seeing it. Is that a Versa Vise at the left of the picture?
Craptain
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Craftsman drill press vises, steady growing!
And knowing nine4 he has a drill press for each one.
I'm curious if that is the only drawer?
indianbullet
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I have a Versa Vise but that is a gunsmith vise to the left. Its funny before I found this site I thought I was the only odd person that liked Vise's 
CudaChick1968
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Wowwww, thanks for all the terrific input on my anti-seize question! I can't get through the day without learning something here, and I love it.
indianbullet, let me be the second to welcome you and the first to tell you that YOU ****! I've got Poncho Blue (my metallic version of your Pontiac Blue) in stock and had been kicking it around in the back of my head for my old Reed. Ya beat me to it hun LOL!!
http://phoenixspecialtycoatings.com/uploads/2/8/2/5/2825131/6486376.jpg?391
I'm with you though -- I love this place!!
Each of you is a veritable god in your own right and everyone's contribution is valuable.
indianbullet, let me be the second to welcome you and the first to tell you that YOU ****!
I've got Poncho Blue (my metallic version of your Pontiac Blue) in stock and had been kicking it around in the back of my head for my old Reed. Ya beat me to it hun LOL!! http://phoenixspecialtycoatings.com/uploads/2/8/2/5/2825131/6486376.jpg?391
I'm with you though -- I love this place!!
Each of you is a veritable god in your own right and everyone's contribution is valuable.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the Star vise was the economy Morgan back when. I had one.
FMC1959
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From what I saw on Milwaukee Tools site, confirming the Star as an economy Morgan, I would say your memory is very good!
Cadillac fan
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That vise was a bust. Welded to the metal and the chain wouldn't come out, rusted solid.
jakemac
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That's a shame. I hope you didn't have to drive too far.
Hingebird
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That is one cool design paint scheme for a vise!
Itinerant
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Craftsman drill press vises, steady growing!
Nine, do you know who makes or made those for Craftsman? The quick release on the top right of the photo looks like a carbon copy of a Palmgren.
epossum
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Thanks zkling! I have the humidity problem here as well. I also got a small jar of the Renaissance Wax some years back - $15.95 for 2.25 oz. I got it because it looked like something to try out on some wood projects. Still have most of it - too expensive to use! As for the paste wax I also have an old can around the shop - maybe I'll start using it.
epossum
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A thought or two on graphite - it is used as a lubricant for locks, and works really well. I've used it for years. Sold in a little tube these days. It's messy and is hard to get off your fingers. You can't just wipe it off.
Going back to the solid form I've machined quite a bit of it. It's kind of hard, definitely brittle, and super messy. We called it carbon and were machining it into packing rings for steam-powered machinery, probably small steam turbines (I made the stuff but didn't install it). I don't think it was supposed to contact the spinning shafts but probably did. So, in the form we were using it may not have been abrasive.
I'm curious now and I'll see if I can find out more about this stuff. Also, I've found there are many kinds of anti-seize products. I believe some are made without graphite. We used to use a brand that contained lead. Probably can't get it anymore.
OK - After a little research on graphite it seems the powdered form is a very good lubricant per Wikipedia. It is sold in many forms as a lubricant.
After doing some more reading, etc., I've come to the conclusion that my personal usage of anti-seize on threads and other moving parts over the years has been absolutely correct. It is OK to use on any low-speed moving part and is probably a plus for vise screws and other parts subject to high pressure. I would never use it on any high-speed parts or bearings as it is not designed for that. If you want to play it safe there are quite a few anti-seize products available that are labeled as "lubricants".
Keep in mind that the primary purpose of anti-seize products is to keep two metal parts in contact with each other from galling or corroding to the point where they can't be freely moved. Bolt and screw threads are the obvious primary places to use the stuff. It would also be good on the tapered retaining pin in a swivel-jaw vise among other things.
Just my two-cents worth.
Going back to the solid form I've machined quite a bit of it. It's kind of hard, definitely brittle, and super messy. We called it carbon and were machining it into packing rings for steam-powered machinery, probably small steam turbines (I made the stuff but didn't install it). I don't think it was supposed to contact the spinning shafts but probably did. So, in the form we were using it may not have been abrasive.
I'm curious now and I'll see if I can find out more about this stuff. Also, I've found there are many kinds of anti-seize products. I believe some are made without graphite. We used to use a brand that contained lead. Probably can't get it anymore.
OK - After a little research on graphite it seems the powdered form is a very good lubricant per Wikipedia. It is sold in many forms as a lubricant.
After doing some more reading, etc., I've come to the conclusion that my personal usage of anti-seize on threads and other moving parts over the years has been absolutely correct. It is OK to use on any low-speed moving part and is probably a plus for vise screws and other parts subject to high pressure. I would never use it on any high-speed parts or bearings as it is not designed for that. If you want to play it safe there are quite a few anti-seize products available that are labeled as "lubricants".
Keep in mind that the primary purpose of anti-seize products is to keep two metal parts in contact with each other from galling or corroding to the point where they can't be freely moved. Bolt and screw threads are the obvious primary places to use the stuff. It would also be good on the tapered retaining pin in a swivel-jaw vise among other things.
Just my two-cents worth.
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va.grouseman
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Speaking of graphite as a lubricant pro or con, check out the second pic from the left in the description of the powrarm.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wilton-Vise...4?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item3cdeb6422c
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wilton-Vise...4?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item3cdeb6422c
epossum
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Mark in Indiana
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If you count the projects and ones for sale, yes
That's the only drawer full of Craftsman Drill Press Vises but, uh...
Unfortunately the Quick Release vise is made in China. It was a recent purchase and I have not yet had to use it so no word on quality. It feels decent and looks ok, just wish the logo was cast in like the older one bottom right in that drawer. It would be nice if it's made by Palmgren except that would mean Palmgren was made in China, probably just a knock off...
Speaking of Palmgren, here is my Palmgren x/y table, poor thing is all alone in there, anyone got a lonely Palmgren they'd like to see go to a good home?
My Atlas table, again...all alone
and the misc drawer with a Simplex, Yankee, Wilton and unknown probably overseas job...
McBrownie
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Long time reader and first time poster. First off, here is my 1962 Wilton 9300 that I picked up off of ebay years ago. I don't have the before pictures, but it looked like it had been dunked in bucket of red paint. Here it is in "hammered blue" on a bench where the top rarely sees the light of day - as it should be.
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it is sporting a set of KMScott smooth-faced jaws, which were a perfect fit and really made this vise as useful as originally intended.
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The original clamping ring was broken and had been badly brazed, but a friend and a case of beer solved that problem. The new "ring" will probably outlast the vise.
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However, I get nervous doing anything ******** on the Wilton. It just wasn't designed for heavy lifting. Enter the solution to that problem - a lightly used Parker 974 that is in the process of being repainted in "hammered gray" and is waiting for it's new handle from RitzBlitz. I'll post pics when it is complete.
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it is sporting a set of KMScott smooth-faced jaws, which were a perfect fit and really made this vise as useful as originally intended.
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The original clamping ring was broken and had been badly brazed, but a friend and a case of beer solved that problem. The new "ring" will probably outlast the vise.
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However, I get nervous doing anything ******** on the Wilton. It just wasn't designed for heavy lifting. Enter the solution to that problem - a lightly used Parker 974 that is in the process of being repainted in "hammered gray" and is waiting for it's new handle from RitzBlitz. I'll post pics when it is complete.
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GETRIDAONE
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McBrownie welcome, two great vises you have there !
Seeing more Parker 970 series vises lately with remnants of greenish-gray paint. Does anyone have a guess or better a picture of the original paint color. I'm going to start on some of my Parkers one day
Seeing more Parker 970 series vises lately with remnants of greenish-gray paint. Does anyone have a guess or better a picture of the original paint color. I'm going to start on some of my Parkers one day
McBrownie
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My Parker 974, without the "Patent 1930" so I assume it was made in the 40's or 50's, had a couple of patches of what looked like a dark slate gray color. This had been covered with black and "institutional green". The black and green came off easily, the gray is on there. So, I decided to leave it on and paint over it. I used Rustoleum Hammered Gray, but it came out lighter than I expected. Looks almost like the color of the bare metal. Actually, I like the way it looks. I'll post pictures of that when it is done.
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Fretters
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Is one of the mounting lugs on that Simplex damaged nine4?
Top man. That's definitely how a bench should be.
Nice couple of vices you have there.
On a tangent, now that my memory has been jogged seeing that Parker, what size is a Parker 2X? Saw one listed for sale across our side of the pond the other day, so was merely curious.
Top man. That's definitely how a bench should be.
Nice couple of vices you have there.
On a tangent, now that my memory has been jogged seeing that Parker, what size is a Parker 2X? Saw one listed for sale across our side of the pond the other day, so was merely curious.
McBrownie
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Nice couple of vices you have there.
On a tangent, now that my memory has been jogged seeing that Parker, what size is a Parker 2X? Saw one listed for sale across our side of the pond the other day, so was merely curious.
Thanks! I found this other thread that shows a Parker 2X as having 4 1/2" jaws and about 60lbs.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69285
I think Parker's are all about the condition of the jaws. If they are beat up, it's not cheap or easy to get them fixed. It's like the old saying "Cheap, fast, or good. Pick any two."
ShadowRuleZ
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This thread has ruined me. I've got a lead on a Columbian 506 for $150, but I don't know if I need a vise that big.
zoomieport
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That's a "baby bullet" on top of it (2" jaws).
The 800S (8" jaws) weighs about +/- ~ 220lbs.
I have a 3-1/2" and 4-1/2" swivel jaw, just looking to fill in the gap. I'm not sure how many different SJ's they made... I'd like them all in the "newer" style.
As far as the Reed's go, I was just looking to get the "C's".... 1C, 2C, 3C and 4C. I'm picking up the 2C Monday to complete that "set".
But who knows what I'll collect now, maybe I'll try to get all the Reed's too...
I've also got Morgan's #'s 130, 135, 140, 145, 150, 160 and 180. I thought it was a complete set but someone (Bigcaddy maybe?) showed me a picture of a Morgan #170...
So the hunt continues...
Take care!
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gavinator
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I've been needing a vise for a long time and picked up this Morgan Milwuakee 40A on craigslist for $50. Don't know what these are going for, but the price was right for me. Hoping to get it cleaned up and painted within the next week.
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Itinerant
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If you count the projects and ones for sale, yes
That's the only drawer full of Craftsman Drill Press Vises but, uh...
Unfortunately the Quick Release vise is made in China. It was a recent purchase and I have not yet had to use it so no word on quality. It feels decent and looks ok, just wish the logo was cast in like the older one bottom right in that drawer. It would be nice if it's made by Palmgren except that would mean Palmgren was made in China, probably just a knock off...
I see, thanks for the response.
Speaking of Palmgren, here is my Palmgren x/y table, poor thing is all alone in there, anyone got a lonely Palmgren they'd like to see go to a good home?
My Atlas table, again...all alone
and the misc drawer with a Simplex, Yankee, Wilton and unknown probably overseas job...
Good looking collection of equipment you've got there.
Outlawmws
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9Four, can't the Palmgren and the Atlas room together; or will they fight?
At least your Atlas has the jaws, mine are missing...
At least your Atlas has the jaws, mine are missing...
Marcos45/70
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I'm really liking that finish on your vise. What, if any is the coating on it? I have a spare that I'd like to restore with that type of finish.
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ZRX61
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ZRX61
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I use Lubri-Plate.
gavinator
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Thank you for the info! I shall paint it Ford engine blue!
Outlawmws
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Which Ford Blue? The dark one or the near baby blue?
ZRX61
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Pipe jaws on this one are factory paint:
