3 hour hot concrete poor

[600SL]

Hello

Looking for some advice and ideas of what I'm up against.

Friday I had 30 yards of concrete pad poured. first truck arrived at 7:00 AM, second truck arrived at 8:00 AM and the contractor arrived alone at 9:15AM. I estimate 2:45 hr for the first truck and about 2:15 hr for the second truck. with only one guy to work it. His crew showed up at about 10:30. Consequently the job cam out looking like **** especially in the area of the first pour. He spent all day yesterday smoothing out the areas near the first pour and will be coming back with a grinder next week when the rental places open. I do believe he will get it looking very good however as of yesterday afternoon it started to crack all over even in areas where the third pours were done. I would estimate there are about 6 cracks of 10 to 20 ft length.

So as it stands right now, what is the future of this pad. I have no pictures of the cracks yet as they are too thin to photograph.

 

[58Yeoman]

Holy ****. I could've done better, and I don't do concrete. I'd say that you should get a do-over. I wouldn't be satisfied with it.

 

[raiderhillbilly]

Crappy Job. They should have even put plastic against the building to keep it clean. I say get another contractor.

 

[Thezapper]

Honestly if I were you i would get him to pour it again. That is totally unacceptable, but I guess it depends on what kind of job you were after/or what the deal was..... As far as the cracks go they are only going to get bigger/worse , how about alittle more info on the substrate? Rebar? Either way I would want it poured again as this slab will be nothing but problems in the future. Always one of my biggest fears when pouring a slab is having cement trucks waiting for a crew to show up..... I would rather turn back the trucks then pour burnt cement. It's happened to me and I found it was cheaper just not todo the pour than pour it, upset the customer, break it, haul it away and pour it again....

 

[signcrafter]

Only option is to rip it out. He should have never of poured it like that.

 

[600SL]

Holy ****. I could've done better, and I don't do concrete. I'd say that you should get a do-over. I wouldn't be satisfied with it.

No doubt I should get a do over but that isn't going to happen.

 

[signcrafter]

No doubt I should get a do over but that isn't going to happen.

You will have nothing but problems with that for the rest of the life of the pad. You will be redoing it one way or another.

 

[Garage Coffee Roaster]

Did the contractor set up the delivery?

I am no expert just a handyman who has placed a few slabs and sidewalks.

That said, I would be worried about the strength of the concrete. 2:45 + minutes. It also looks like they overworked the concrete which weakens the surface.

I would allow the contractor to smooth the slab if he gets it tested for strength at a certified lab.

If it does not meet specs. I would not accept the work and require him to redo it.

JMHO

Jim

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[600SL]

Honestly if I were you i would get him to pour it again. That is totally unacceptable, but I guess it depends on what kind of job you were after/or what the deal was..... As far as the cracks go they are only going to get bigger/worse , how about alittle more info on the substrate? Rebar? Either way I would want it poured again as this slab will be nothing but problems in the future. Always one of my biggest fears when pouring a slab is having cement trucks waiting for a crew to show up..... I would rather turn back the trucks then pour burnt cement. It's happened to me and I found it was cheaper just not todo the pour than pour it, upset the customer, break it, haul it away and pour it again....

There is no rebar or mesh. its just 3000PSI 4" pad with polypropylene fibers. poured over clay. I called the concrete company at 9:15 and asked if they could turn back the first truck but they already started pouring. At this point I'm stuck with this. He's getting it to come out pretty good looking but what is its future?

 

[DPG]

We used this http://www.euclidchemical.com/fileshare/ProductFiles/techdata/thin_top_supreme.pdf
in a parking garage 8 years ago. I was in that garage a few months ago and you cannot tell where it was used. Great stuff. Another product we have been using is - http://www.ardexamericas.com/en-us/Products/engconrep/Pages/EngineeredConcreteRepairSystems.aspx this is good stuff also.

 

[600SL]

Did the contractor set up the delivery?

I am no expert just a handyman who has placed a few slabs and sidewalks.

That said, I would be worried about the strength of the concrete. 2:45 + minutes. It also looks like they overworked the concrete which weakens the surface.

I would allow the contractor to smooth the slab if he gets it tested for strength at a certified lab.

If it does not meet specs. I would not accept the work and require him to redo it.

JMHO

Jim

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Yes the contractor set up the delivery and I know right now that getting him to do it over is not going to happen. I also know that I could sue him win the case and get nothing but lawyers fees. I have been down that road before. This is $7000 down the toilet.

Only thing I can do right now is any preventive maintenance that will slow the destruction.

 

[600SL]

We used this http://www.euclidchemical.com/fileshare/ProductFiles/techdata/thin_top_supreme.pdf
in a parking garage 8 years ago. I was in that garage a few months ago and you cannot tell where it was used. Great stuff. Another product we have been using is - http://www.ardexamericas.com/en-us/Products/engconrep/Pages/EngineeredConcreteRepairSystems.aspx this is good stuff also.

Thanks that's the kind of info I'm looking for. Is this something I should apply ASAP or should I give it time for more cracks to develop. Seams like late fall may be the time to do this.

 

[sr71]

First off..sorry to see this ...the future is lots of cracks....I'm guessing it will break apart sooner than later.

 

[fnieto]

600SL,
your slab is not gonna work for you. We don't need the details of the agreement you have with your "contractor". This "contractor" is no professional and you got screwed. No mesh, no rebar,no do-over? Not sure what you want from us. BTW, you might want to get that mess off your wall.
Good luck

 

[GRN96WS6]

I don't care how much grinding he does and how good it's looking I wouldn't pay for that job, it looks like **** pardon my french and you shouldn't be "ok" with that.

 

[drwheels]

Do over

 

[600SL]

600SL,
your slab is not gonna work for you. We don't need the details of the agreement you have with your "contractor". This "contractor" is no professional and you got screwed. No mesh, no rebar,no do-over? Not sure what you want from us. BTW, you might want to get that mess off your wall.
Good luck

Yes I will be pressure washing that today. Right now I'm just hoping to get by for 5 years with some PM.

 

[SeanConklin]

What kind of slump was the concrete poured at? Was it a bag mix or a performance mix? (Straight portland cement or cut with ash/slag)

 

[600SL]

What kind of slump was the concrete poured at? Was it a bag mix or a performance mix? (Straight portland cement or cut with ash/slag)

I have no idea. I know it wasn't a bag mix. the receipt just say 3000 PSI Air Polypropylene Fibers.

 

[MG44]

You didn't pay in full did you

 

[Leaflessshadetree]

Cut plenty of joints, especially since it is just on clay. They will make it easier to take it out and replace sections if/as needed.

 

[bczygan]

It sure is more of a "Poor", than a pour, actually more of a concrete dump.

I know you are looking for solutions. and you know that none will be as good as the proper job to begin with.

Concrete work should never be paid for until the job is finished and checked.

And even then you can be in the hole for the removal cost, unless you require a cash bond for that cost.

There is no solution for this problem short of getting good expensive contractors.

 

[600SL]

You didn't pay in full did you

Paid for the concrete and about 3/4 labor. The guy knows what he's doing but also knows that he did F it up. About the best I can do out of this now is to get him to do some future work with labor on him. He wont be able to pay for concrete.

So I have two small jobs 1 is a culvert that will require rebar and about 7 yards and the other is a driveway extension that will require about 2 yards. It can all be done with 1 truck load and all by 1 guy if needed so I wont have to worry about labor getting out of bed. Kind of low risk tasks that he can do himself. That's about the only deal I might be able to make with this guy. Still ***** but its the least of the ****. A $7000 job has just turned into a $20,000 job.

 

[MG44]

I know the frustration. Did he have insurance? If so he may be wise to make a claim on it.


If not have him keep grinding. I doubt it will be weak, just ugly. If he can grind it to a somewhat decent looking surface all may not be ruined.

It is hard to find good tradesman. I live in ohio and have a hard time hiring out work because even though the contractor seems okay they hire hillbillies for everything. They half *** everything, complain, show up stoned or drunk. I've turned away hillbilly crews before, not worth the headache.

 

[94yj]

i would tell the contractor to get some heavy equipment and rip it out and start over and at his expense my 8 yr old could do a better job and she is a girl

 

[c39er]

Ugliest pad pour of the year award!!!!
I wouldn't want anyone to see that mess.

I'd cover it with a layer of dirt

 

[Nighttrain]

Are you planning in building on this or just parking pad ? $7k. ? Three trucks are about $3k here. Please don't tell us you paid the "contractor" $4k for this? Sorry you have to go through this.

 

[DPG]

Thanks that's the kind of info I'm looking for. Is this something I should apply ASAP or should I give it time for more cracks to develop. Seams like late fall may be the time to do this.

Go to companies web sites and read the recommendations. Do it exactly as they recommend.
If you have a White Cap supply in your area, they can get anything you want. Look in your area phone book under concrete supplies. Buy one bag and do a small test area.

 

[gregtwojeeps]

So sorry to see especially with your lovely location and nice building. You know you are between a rock and a hard place. The guy would surprise me if he even had insurance. May want to read up on laying solid brick pavers in mortar on a slab. Would make a nice coverup. Yes, more money, but for a diy project maybe with the help of buds, and another $1K, may be worth not having to look at that painful pour. good luck. jmo

 

[600SL]

It sure is more of a "Poor", than a pour, actually more of a concrete dump.

I know you are looking for solutions. and you know that none will be as good as the proper job to begin with.

Concrete work should never be paid for until the job is finished and checked.

And even then you can be in the hole for the removal cost, unless you require a cash bond for that cost.

There is no solution for this problem short of getting good expensive contractors.

My past experience with that is for these small jobs you cant get a contract written like that. Most of these guys cant even read such a contract. The only recourse is to go to someplace like Home Depot and get one of there approved contractors with the work backed by HD and consequently pay HD twice the price of the job.

When I had the slab done for the foundation, the smaller guys didn't want to touch it because of the work involved with a full rebar cage and 6" monolithic slab. The only guys that do that kind of work were bridge and mall builders. So this guy did that and did a very good job, of course his guys showed up. But it was the same sort of deal pay for the concrete pay his guys and pay the rest when done.

This may have been a job that I could have done myself and probably the repair will be done by myself. Does anyone have any idea what it cost to break up and remove 30 yards of concrete.

 

[600SL]

So sorry to see especially with your lovely location and nice building. You know you are between a rock and a hard place. The guy would surprise me if he even had insurance. May want to read up on laying solid brick pavers in mortar on a slab. Would make a nice coverup. Yes, more money, but for a diy project maybe with the help of buds, and another $1K, may be worth not having to look at that painful pour. good luck. jmo

Well its about 2000 sq ft. I did a brief look at pavers and they were about $4 sq ft per. I would imaging with labor the job would cost more that removing and replacing the concrete.

 

[600SL]

Are you planning in building on this or just parking pad ? $7k. ? Three trucks are about $3k here. Please don't tell us you paid the "contractor" $4k for this? Sorry you have to go through this.

4 trucks @ $3856, $2500 to grade form and pour and finish. Not for a building, just parking.

 

[kd3pc]

Does anyone have any idea what it cost to break up and remove 30 yards of concrete.

this all depends on how YOU do it and whether you have the equipment, Or you are paying someone and they have the equipment.

The other option is to get in there now with a sledge and chisel or rent a jack hammer and at least cut it up, before it fully cures.

It will cost you to have it hauled off, unless you have a hole and a backhoe.

Why not get your "labor" back and have this guy just start busing it out, he should do it for free, but sounds as if you are not going that route.

IF you have the equipment, it will only cost you fuel

IF you do not have the equipment, you are looking at least a half day backhoe, with Operator and dump truck....in our part of town...$350-500 at least.

 

[600SL]

this all depends on how YOU do it and whether you have the equipment, Or you are paying someone and they have the equipment.

The other option is to get in there now with a sledge and chisel or rent a jack hammer and at least cut it up, before it fully cures.

It will cost you to have it hauled off, unless you have a hole and a backhoe.

Why not get your "labor" back and have this guy just start busing it out, he should do it for free, but sounds as if you are not going that route.

IF you have the equipment, it will only cost you fuel

IF you do not have the equipment, you are looking at least a half day backhoe, with Operator and dump truck....in our part of town...$350-500 at least.

This guys labor is already spent.

I don't have any equipment. I don't even think I could dump 55 tons of concrete here for $500

 

[LB-1911]

This guys labor is already spent.

I don't have any equipment. I don't even think I could dump 55 tons of concrete here for $500

One option is - Concrete Recycling Resources, LLC
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[ChevyEFI]

It's worse than the pool equipment pad I mixed in a wheelbarrow with no training.

Lawyer it up.

 

[N2snow2]

You will have nothing but problems with that for the rest of the life of the pad. You will be redoing it one way or another.

your gonna have problems they should have sent it back it will never be smooth you will have cracks and pop outs the sixe if a pin head to the size of a half dollor believe me I know went through the exact same thing my contractor gave me all kind of excuses but I wouldn't budge he wanted paid and I want a smooth dependable floor went to court and I won .didnt have to pay the bill believe me I would of just had the floor the right way sure glad I move from that place .......

 

[Nighttrain]

For just parking I would not sweat it too much. You already have a lot if money in it. Have him grind it down at his cost like he said he would. Top coat then maybe a dark acid stain to cover the looks.

 

[RivennHewn]

Grinding that will be throwing good money after bad.

The slab is sub-par, and needs to be removed and done right.

You will kick yourself every F'n day if you let this stay.

It's gotta go!

 

[600SL]

Going to try to work out a re-pour. Court is not an option because the guy is broke. Repour is not to risky with the same guy if I can get it scheduled for the afternoon.