CudaChick1968
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I blame Cudachick for setting this train of thought off....
Heh hehhhhhhhh ... at least I'm good for somethin.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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Outlawmws
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I'm sure it was, since it was cast. Not many have access to casting facilities...
wrenchguy
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definitely cast, thats what i believe, thats a option and vise i'd like to have.
balane
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Maybe Reed made those in response to the popularity of Wilton's protected slide vises. Just a thought.
joe.striper
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So I think I got a pretty good deal on this one. Late yesterday I saw this posted on Craigslist , a Wilton Power Arm Jr with the black vise attached, $50.00.
I really liked the Wilton Power ARM but it had been cleaned up and was bare metal. The vise I figured for a throw away pacific rim junk vise, BUT, when I got to the guys house I realized this was an exceptionally clean Millers Falls Co miniature bench vise. I've only seen these as clamp ons. This one is PERFECT and looks unused. The seller had repainted it but I saw it was originally red, regardless I am super jacked that this vise is as nice and tight as it appears, so for $50.00 i think I did very well.
He also had a 4" jaw Wilton in a dark burgundy with the square body and tube, not the bullet shape. He offered it for $100 but it wasn't a very big vise at all, it just had wide jaws. Maybe 9-10" tall. Should I have snatched it up?
I really liked the Wilton Power ARM but it had been cleaned up and was bare metal. The vise I figured for a throw away pacific rim junk vise, BUT, when I got to the guys house I realized this was an exceptionally clean Millers Falls Co miniature bench vise. I've only seen these as clamp ons. This one is PERFECT and looks unused. The seller had repainted it but I saw it was originally red, regardless I am super jacked that this vise is as nice and tight as it appears, so for $50.00 i think I did very well.
He also had a 4" jaw Wilton in a dark burgundy with the square body and tube, not the bullet shape. He offered it for $100 but it wasn't a very big vise at all, it just had wide jaws. Maybe 9-10" tall. Should I have snatched it up?
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McBrownie
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If you don't, Fretters will. It's already the right color.
Nice find on the Pow-R-Arm!
GETRIDAONE
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great white tj
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Nice buy.....
AndrewH
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I wish I lived in Philadelphia!
ShadowRuleZ
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Got a Wilton 1740 missing jaws for $10. Bolts are broke off in the jaw, getting tired of these.
AndrewH
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lol, the obvious question is, why did you buy it then, your addiction wouldn't let you pass it up eh?
ShadowRuleZ
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I'm a foster parent for the vise, I couldn't let it get tossed. Probably will end up on CL as is.
GETRIDAONE
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AndrewH
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This time.
Very true. Last night it was New York City, I saw a Wilton 450S in nearly new condition for $25!!! Plus a Rock Island 577 for $225, and a multitude of others. There's so many good deals in NYC I couldn't believe it. Apparently no members here live there because they'd have a collection that would rival any of ours AND they'd have amassed it cheap!
oldldh
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The Big Apple has lots of vices---
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Vises....
Yeah, that's what I meant to say....
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Vises....
Yeah, that's what I meant to say....
Outlawmws
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Joe, the M-F is actually from a clamp on, but with a swivel base. My son's model making vise is one of those, also sans base/clamp. Dang near everyone back on the day made that style vise. A week ago I got one branded Stanley and Pat Pend., so Stanley may have been the originator of that design...
Outlawmws
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I can't believe the link is still up 24 hours later. That is a ****** no brainer to anyone in range...
AndrewH
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Well guys, I'm the proud new owner of this beautiful Morgan 80, I will be calling Morgan tomorrow and ordering new jaw pads ($105) and sometime soon the swivel kit ($275) which will bring the total weight up to 212 lbs. I'm not going to lie, I paid dearly to buy this vise, I was probably bidding against another member on here. (if so, sorry bud, I knew from day one this vise was coming home to me!)
Well guys, I'm the proud new owner of this beautiful Morgan 80, I will be calling Morgan tomorrow and ordering new jaw pads ($105) and sometime soon the swivel kit ($275) which will bring the total weight up to 212 lbs. I'm not going to lie, I paid dearly to buy this vise, I was probably bidding against another member on here. (if so, sorry bud, I knew from day one this vise was coming home to me!)
Congrats, Andrew! You'll have to show pics of her when she's all fixed up with the new parts.
KMScott
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Has anyone seen one of these German Vises, 12" jaws, weights 700 lbs. A good friend of mine Tom from Texas sent me these pictures.I have more to share from Tom but not tonight. He is a member called Sandman54 but had problem loading the pictures. I wish I knew more about this System Kensche. Just looking at it you can tell it is a big guy.
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KMScott
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oldldh
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AndrewH
Big vises have a tendency to be mucho bucks...
When the Reed 209 is found, I wouldn't be surprised to see a comma in the price, regardless of it's condition...
When I posted "your" Morgan, I thought a GJ'er would jump on it...
Glad you got it...
Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
(Brother Scott, I was going to suggest he call you, but you beat me to it...Are you going to whittle some new jaws for the German Behemoth??)
Big vises have a tendency to be mucho bucks...
When the Reed 209 is found, I wouldn't be surprised to see a comma in the price, regardless of it's condition...
When I posted "your" Morgan, I thought a GJ'er would jump on it...
Glad you got it...
Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
(Brother Scott, I was going to suggest he call you, but you beat me to it...Are you going to whittle some new jaws for the German Behemoth??)
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joe.striper
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Thanks for the info Outlaw. MF, if I remember right, had a flirting relationship with Stanley. This vise was made about 20 miles from my house.
Outlawmws
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In the wild? No, but vises like those have been posted a couple of times.
Going to build one of those Mr Scott?
Outlawmws
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Picked up my first vise today at the scrap yard. 25 bucks brought it home where I cut the custom mount off, cleaned it up some, and lubricated the slide.
That vise looks lots better after removing that ugly base! Nice score what jaw width?
KMScott
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That 80 does not appear to take the C-type of jaw?Am I missing something?
No, not missing anything Outlaw, One thing for sure is the Morgan 80 needs a rectangle set of jaws. I was misled when I picked these jaws up from the Golden Pile in Colorado, they were tagged Morgan 8" unless Morgan built two different vises. Check the Morgan sketch, their jaws are the T style. Andrew you might want to clear this up when ordering.
Outlaw, I have enough on my plate without building a complete vise, I would love to replace his jaws though. Serrating a 12 inch set would be challenging.
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AndrewH
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Kevin,
You were actually going to be my first call until I realized that this Morgan is only a few years old, it's not 'vintage' by any means. Unlike my Morgan 140 & 150 it takes a conventional rectangle jaw. The jaws that you have are indeed for a Morgan 80, an older 'vintage' one. That's the reason why I can buy a swivel kit for the Morgan 80 I just bought, it's still currently in production.
joe.striper
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http://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/for/4501389598.html
New Wilton 600. 6" jaws. upstate NY. Big vise, too big for me.
$600, also too big for me.
New Wilton 600. 6" jaws. upstate NY. Big vise, too big for me.
$600, also too big for me.
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I've never actually seen one of that model myself, altho I've seen a number of vaguely similar big vises as shipyard surplus......well-battered surplus, to be sure.
Some aspects of the Kensche pattern have merit, in terms of weight and rigidity, but it still has the major failing of leg-vises, generally, in that the jaws are not parallel except when nearly fully closed.
The sad thing is that it could have been a much better vise with a little bit more first-cost investment in tooling for its production.
Imagine, if you will, that vise set up as a 'chain-vise', with a slot broached in the lower area of the fixed jaw, engaging tongues cast/machined in the movable jaw. The two screws and chain would then keep jaw parallelism, and, with a relatively fine pitch Acme threading of the screws, would have tremendous holding power, as well as the weight and rigidity of that basic design.
I'd not be surprised that, should you make the first-cost investment in patterns and tooling, such a vise would sell in small but worthwhile quantities today, for the remaining little bit of heavy production and maintenence work still being done in this country.
(I thought seriously of purchasing the old Oliver pattern vise line from Kindt-Collins, when they wanted to sell the line, meaning patterns, tooling, spares, etc., but I'd have run into too many legal problems trying to make anything like that here in California. Bill Kerfoot was the one who bought the Kindt-Collins vise, and is likely doing well with it, selling parts, and complete new vises under his 'Hopewell' brand. This is another example of a high quality, but specialised product item, very useful for those who will see the long-term recovery of the original capital cost.)
cheers
Carla
datsbooksleia
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Is it true that craftsman professional vise are being discontinued? At one time they were $99 each, now they are over $200 each on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261496711269&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261496711269&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
4 inch.
GETRIDAONE
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I just cleaned this one up and reframed from the whole paint and shine deal. I think a lot of you prefer them to have the old patina look. I got the rust off and worked on the finish a little.
I hadn't noticed before but the wrench has PRENTISS stamped on it.
I hadn't noticed before but the wrench has PRENTISS stamped on it.
KMScott
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Carla, I agree with you that the Kensche pattern has the same liability as the leg vises, but imagine having a pivoting Dynamic jaw kind of like this foot actuated vise, I can see the mechanics of a pivoting jaw but with more mass and the pivot being backed radially. The chain idea is also a good idea, the guide posts might have to be massive or at least 1-1/2 dia for a 12 inch vise and what if the Dynamic jaw was on a dovetail setup with out the guide pins, a 6 inch travel is all that is needed on this massive vise. Outlaw was looking into the future and even asked if I was going to build one. I have no funding for a project like this. Ummm could it be a weldment..
Just imagine if you went through with the purchase of Kindt-Collins patterns and tooling. What would you be doing now!! That 16 inch vise is massive, I have played around the Emmert Pattern Makers vise and they pretty handy for woodworking but a little light duty for a heavy piece of iron. The Collins look heavier built.
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drivesitfar
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Getridaone:another quality addition to your vise wing and i really like how you make that old steel shine.
Filson:Just curious if you were selling all those little vises to make room for the 208 you said you bought on Ebay. did you buy the Reed 208 to make a twin to the green one we all have enjoyed pictures of? it's been a couple weeks an maybe longer and thought i'd ask if that was a moving moment that you blurted out that you bought it since you were moving across state or do you now have twin 208's? Any pictures to share or it didn't happen?
Epossum: pretty much exactly my thinking about these old vises values. you have a great point.
Andrew:you mentioned that you can still buy that 8 inch Morgan new so hoping you still ended up getting a good price for the one you bought with so many missing parts. Morgans are a great vise to use and they have great looks too.
Filson:Just curious if you were selling all those little vises to make room for the 208 you said you bought on Ebay. did you buy the Reed 208 to make a twin to the green one we all have enjoyed pictures of? it's been a couple weeks an maybe longer and thought i'd ask if that was a moving moment that you blurted out that you bought it since you were moving across state or do you now have twin 208's? Any pictures to share or it didn't happen?
Epossum: pretty much exactly my thinking about these old vises values. you have a great point.
Andrew:you mentioned that you can still buy that 8 inch Morgan new so hoping you still ended up getting a good price for the one you bought with so many missing parts. Morgans are a great vise to use and they have great looks too.
AndrewH
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The only actual missing parts is the jaw pads. The 80 series is a fixed base version, otherwise it'd be a 180, however they sell the swivel kit in case you want to upgrade. So I feel that I got a good deal, if you want to know how much, just look at the completed listing!
? Don't recall that bud, sorry if I confused anyone. Indeed I only have the one 208. I did post (and leave it as a bit of a cliff hanger) that I was looking into bringing home a larger toy than the 208, but that has fell through.
looking to identify this vise. Just one of my hobbies. To restore old machines and equipment and still use them. This was my grandfathers old vise. I found it after it was left in the woods for over 10 years. I broke it down cleaned it up and restored it. i would like to know the maker of this vise if anyone could help out with this.
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drivesitfar
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Filson:i'll just call it moving madness and leave it at that. selling all your vises can really clear the mind, but not sure i want my mind that clear.
Andrew:I'm not sure how to look up old Ebay auctions and honestly you can spend any amount you want to on any vise you want to own. i'm sure if you new that the new 8 inch Morgans were available while you were bidding you probably made a wise purchase. Since i don't own an 8 inch vise and you and Filson both do i guess I've got a little vise envy. go figure.
i did see a 8 inch Wilton i think it was brand new for $3,600. or was that for a case of vises?
Andrew:I'm not sure how to look up old Ebay auctions and honestly you can spend any amount you want to on any vise you want to own. i'm sure if you new that the new 8 inch Morgans were available while you were bidding you probably made a wise purchase. Since i don't own an 8 inch vise and you and Filson both do i guess I've got a little vise envy. go figure.
i did see a 8 inch Wilton i think it was brand new for $3,600. or was that for a case of vises?