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Carla

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:+1: "Gems", I think you mean worn out junk No it was a few days apart. The slide was brazed back together, I didn't realize it till I started scraping the paint off. Then someone tried to weld (lots of porosity) the swivel jaw in place and when that didn't work they put a U clamp around it. :sad:
At least it will be a learning experience/skill builder. Aka time sink hole. Just measured 4" dead on. The swivel base seems large in diameter for the rest of the vise size. It will be a fun project I think. I don't have a parker or a swivel jaw so Really though I'm currently a few hundred miles from my shop and needed a vise for farm repairs. It clamps just fine with the U bracket, but without it won't hold at 90 degrees and the swivel jaw wants to lift up. At any angle it clamps solid. Due to a fractured retaining surface... pics below.Uhm, not really? My plan is to weld it up solid and then remachine the groove, IF I can get it attached to a face plate somehow and spin it. What I'm worried about is the weldment in use, that is a pretty high stress location to be filled up with weld, especially a nickle based filler. I've welded up a good bit of cast iron, even vises, but not that much build up for a high stress area. O well at least it will be a learning experience. I'm going to try and also build up the half broken Parker retainer as well.
Then there is the half fractured taper pin on that one. But in the mean time it does what I need it to do to get the equipment up and running.

If I may offer an idea.......

I wouldn't try welding on that part. You can, indeed, get a nice-looking weld with ni-rod, but its all too likely to fail under stress, not in the weld itself, but in the 'transition zone' of the casting adjacent to the weld.

The really best thing to do with that one is to give it to a friend who has only very uncommon need for a vise, and would have no problem continuing to use it with that 'strap' repair.

If you would enjoy repairing it as a 'challenge' or 'learning-curve experience', then I'd suggest this.

Since you've a suitably large lathe, and can improvise some fixturing to get the part on a faceplate, dial it in, as it was originally machined, face to clean up, leaving as much of the original radius cut for the cross-pin as may be, then bore out the 'stub' to approx 3/4 of its diameter.

From a suitable scrap of mild steel, make a stepped-pin, to a diameter on the larger step which would clean up at the diameter of the original jaw part, and a smaller diameter which would allow for a good shrink fit on the bore you've just done, maybe .001 per inch of diameter, maybe just a little less, as you're shrinking cast iron.

When cooled, fixture the jaw again on the faceplate, turn and face, and cut the groove radius to fair into the original part. Having left the steel pin long enough to be a little bit above, or 'proud of', the upper surface of the jaw, using a disc grinder, fair the pin to the cast surface, prime, sand the primer, paint well, colour-sand and paint again, at which point no one would know the part was repaired unless they disassembled the vise.

Copying the taper pin is obvious, but I'd suggest drilling/tapping for a small forged eye-bolt, and running a clean, pretty weld to retain the eye-bolt. This allows for easily twisting the taper-pin to free it when one needs to move the back jaw, and for hanging it on any convenient hook so avoid mis-placing it.

cheers

Carla
 
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Speaking about spelling, punctuation and long sentences, I have to say, one thing that's always impressed me about the GJ site is its grammar. :thumbup: I visit a few car websites and I can't tell you how terrible the writing is. Many times its hard to figure out what the question or the response is. Sad!
 

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Picked up a Woden 7" carpenters vise today. For £1 off ebay and only 4 miles off the daily route who wouldn't

I sure as hell would have too. :D Nice vices, Wodens. You got a good bargain there. :)

I picked up a Parkinson wood vice today. 9" jaws. Pretty much the same thing. Plonked a bid on a 99p start vice on Ebay and got it, so called round for it today, as we were roughly out that way anyhows. Needs a good derusting session, but been after one of these for a while. It's the older style, with the rectangular slide rather than the two rods.

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A couple of comments:

First, if any of your Garage Journal gang are looking for a particular Parker vise please pm me with the model# as I am seeing every make and model and I will gladly assist you in your acquisition.

I went out to get my new buffer and grinding wheel today :bounce: While I'm loading it in the truck the seller walks out with a GORGEOUS condition Parker 204. The action is perfect, it swivels great and smooth, the jaws are smooth and without a mark. In the pics I haven't even cleaned it yet...$50.00.

It seems my friends and family now know I collect these things and I have calls EVERYDAY with someone offering me these damned vises. It must be because I live 30 miles from Meriden and these vises are in every old home. I just rebuffed a $75 dollar offer on that Parker #2 that I posted yesterday because I just have no more room.:(
 

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mcmlvif100

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Yes, I've gotta start being realistic, I'm running out of room. I'll be selling at least these ones:

Wilton HD (4" swivel base)
Wilton 450N (4.5" non swivel)
Parker 88 (4.5" swivel w/ wrench but missing pipe jaws)
Parker 105 (4.5" non swivel)

Selling those 4 should fund some larger purchases! :)

Andrew

Did you happen to see this "additional incentive to sell"?

http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/tls/4563775172.html


LARGE 31" VISE ON METAL STAND - $175 (ST. JOE, IN)

I HAVE A LARGE 31" LONG VISE WITH 7" WIDE JAWS ON A METAL STAND. I DO NOT SEE A MAKE.
 

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I got my pipe jaws from bluebolt (thanks!) and just did a quick check - they fit! I tried to get the aluminum jaws off but the screw heads are half stripped, so I'm going to soak them in penetrating fluid for a few days...
 

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I got my pipe jaws from bluebolt (thanks!) and just did a quick check - they fit! I tried to get the aluminum jaws off but the screw heads are half stripped, so I'm going to soak them in penetrating fluid for a few days...

Looks great! Glad I could help!
 

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A Columbian 2060 6" vise is listed on a local C/L. Is this particular vise vintage or recent? I would like to know before going to see it.

Thanks for any info on this vise.
 

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Here is my 2.5" wilton 'toddler' bullet. I tore it down this morning and Baldor buffed all the shiny bits. Paint is original.isnt she cute?

My new computer screen image.
 

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Very nice Joe! and that one is terrific original shape! So I never noticed on the baby's, the "anvil" block is bolted on? from the inside?
 
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Very nice Joe! and that is on terrific original shape! So I never noticed on the baby's, the "anvil" block is bolted on? from the inside?

That is a good question Outlaw, our local weld shop has one and I looked pretty close when I was fitting jaws and thought I seen braze. but looking at the pictures I have there seems to be a clearance hole that might be a access to a screw driver or allen wrench if they had socket products back in the 40's.
 

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90zcar

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Can somebody tell me about this vise? I'm not real knowledgeable in the vise department. I picked it up at a sale today. It's a Wilton and the jaws measure 3.5" wide.
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Can somebody tell me about this vise? I'm not real knowledgeable in the vise department. I picked it up at a sale today. It's a Wilton and the jaws measure 3.5" wide.
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You have a Wilton mechanics vise. I believe that it was made in the early 70s. An added benefit is the y-jaw shape for added strength. IMO It's a good general purpose vise.
 

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You have a Wilton mechanics vise. I believe that it was made in the early 70s. An added benefit is the y-jaw shape for added strength. IMO It's a good general purpose vise.


Thanks a lot! It seems to work great and I got it for next to nothing. Might restore it and sell it. Not sure yet


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Mark in Indiana

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Thanks a lot! It seems to work great and I got it for next to nothing. Might restore it and sell it. Not sure yet


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These vises are an easy restore. However, if you need a good vise for yourself, you should keep it until you get a better one. Can't beat having a good, quality vise.
 
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I know I'm going to hear it for this...:lol:

But...

A Prentiss 356 has appeared on Ebay...:drool:

I don't know if this is a repost, or not, but I've attached a photo...

The seller has been smoking his shoelaces, because his BIN in $ 1,850.00!!!:shocking:

It appears to be in pristine condition, needing only a cleanup, and about four coats of "Arrest-Me-Red"!!!:evil::evil:
 

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And a Prentiss 22 has magically appeared, also...

Big swivel jaw vises are thin on the ground...:sad:

This is BIG!!!:beer:
 

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He put it up on Philly craigslist a few days ago with no price, but "best offer." I kinda figured he was looking for big bucks. There was another one on DC craigs for a few months that started at $1200 and got down to $700. I don't know if it sold or he just stopped relisting it.
 

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I know I'm going to hear it for this...:lol:

But...

A Prentiss 356 has appeared on Ebay...:drool:

I don't know if this is a repost, or not, but I've attached a photo...

The seller has been smoking his shoelaces, because his BIN in $ 1,850.00!!!:shocking:

Agreed.

He was either: smiley-coke.gif

or: stoned-smiley.gif

or: bong_smiley.gif

When he came up with that price for a 6" Prentiss. Wow!
 

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It makes me feel good about my 356. I ended getting it for 40% of the original asking price. Mine has seen a little more use than those two have.
 

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Just picked up a Wilton bullet with 4.5" jaws and a 4-46 date code at the Flea market. This is an oldy that dwarfs the 4" Wilton I just sold. This 4.5" vise is a lot longer even though the jaws are just half an inch wider than the 4".

Trying to figure out what is embossed near the base, it looks like maybe No. 4 but it is hard to make out.
 

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GETRIDAONE

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Found two oldies, Prentiss - Lewis pattern #938 4"
GM Yost #75 swivel jaw 4 5/8" Check out the backwards "D" :dunno:
The good news was that I got the pin out & the jaw wasn't rusted in place.
Bad news, it was a bolt and not a tapered pin.



More projects :willy_nil
 

90zcar

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So I'm taking this thing apart. I am new to the Wilton vise scene.

What is my best bet to have a nice swivel clamp bar again? I guess that's what you call the bar that tightens the swivel base.
On this one the bar is all bent to hell. The bolt that went up from the bottom is also bent but that doesn't look like anything any different than a simple carriage bolt.
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How big do you think this parker is? Looks like it has a two screw collar on it.
 

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Thanks guys. Now to figure out if I should take a day off to try and get it or just live with my 955....

You can always live with it, but why if you don't need to? However you should really get a definite model number before going a long ways for it. Our opinions mean squat if you take a day off and it's not what we/you thought. Plus there's a lot of 6" stationary models besides the 956, there's the 806 and 79X just off the top of my head.
 

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GETRIDAONE-------You did good on your Prentiss and Yost, if you didn't pay an arm and a leg that is. I didn't know that Prentiss ever borrowed the Lewis pattern. The old swivel jaw G. M. Yost rarely show up and could date back as far as 1907/1908, When he put his whole name on the vises. I have a 6 incher that I got by mistake from a gentleman from Ohio. Saw it on Craigslist, called him up, and he said he had a Prentiss #22 and it was in good condition judging by the pictures. We worked out a deal and he shipped it to me. It was the same weight and size as a # 22, and had like a dozen cotes of paint on it, so you couldn't hardly read it. Yours is only the third one I have ever seen. I'll have to drag mine out now and take pictures, because, no picture, never happened.
 

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va,
The Yost has a lot of features similar to to the Prentiss. The rounded front slide support looks like an Athol. The rear top of the swivel jaw has been left jagged like the Prentiss. The model number is in the same place on the top rear housing. I thought at first it had one of those pressed on finger screw retainers like Prentiss but I found a set screw after degreasing. The swivel pin taper is more the size of a Parker than a Prentiss. It lost one of its mounting feet along the 100 year journey :sad:
 
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