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(Yet Another Request for) Lighting Input, Please

Which Lighting Configuration Would You Implement

  • Lighting Each Bay Longitudinally Despite Obstructions

    Votes: 4 80.0%
  • Lighting Across Each Bay

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I Have a Better Idea I'm Suggesting Below.

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • Total voters
    5

Remford

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I'm preparing for the imminent lighting of my 36' x 27' garage and workshop which, for all intents and purposes, has a 12' ceiling throughout.

Effectively, the left two thirds consist of two oversized single-width parking bays. Each contains a four-post stacking lift behind a 10' x 9' door. The remaining third contains space for a workshop. Enough clearance exists between the doors to ensure cars on both sides can fully open doors without touching. The additional clearance can accommodate a fifth car in a pinch, albeit not very comfortably.

Normally, the lighting configuration would've been relatively straightforward and I would've run tandem T5 fixtures longitudinally along each side of each bay. I also would've included a final column over the workshop and used additional site-specific fixtures to fill-in any holes or remove any inadvertent shadows. Unfortunately, one aspect of the garage's construction makes this proposition challenging. Two longitudinal beams protrude about 1' from the ceiling and effectively separate the garage ceiling into three distinct sections.

Flanking each bay with lights would place them too close to the beams and essentially obscure one side of each row. Other rows, and a single tandem fixture traversing each bay to provide lighting for open hoods and foot paths, should effectively eliminate shadows, but not without enough light going to waste throughout to make me reluctant to light the garage this way notwithstanding the configuration's other inherent benefits.

This configuration would require 13 tandem T5HO strips casting about 20,000 lumens each or about 250,000 in total (before diminishing factors). Spread over about 900 sqft, that's a damned well lit space. Tandem T8 HO strips would cast about 10,000 lumens per and still yield a more-than-acceptable total amount of light throughout. With this configuration, how much light isn't as much of a concern as how well it illuminates.

See scale depiction below:

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An obvious alternative would be to orient several tandem rows across each the entire depth of each bay as pictured below.

This would reduce the fixture count by two. With tandem T5HOs, the amount of light still would be staggering. The garage still would be very well-lit using T8 HO tandems at about 100 lumens per square foot overall. Of course, this trades to obtain better overall lighting by sacrificing the longitudinal lights running down the sides of each bay.

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With the support beams leaving no ideal solution, I'd appreciate any insight others may have about the particular benefits or drawbacks they see for both configurations and any suggestions for improving either design to hopefully overcome both scenarios' shortcomings.

Many thanks in advance.
 
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Sachseguy

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Some actual pictures of the garage might help us visualize your situation. :)
 

rocco

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my professional opinion is to use the first layout, the second will create nothing but shadows while working on your vehicles.
 

sands35

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#1 Lights will be along the side of the car - where you need it. Sorta worthless to put light on the roof.

That said, my garage is a 26*32 with twenty five 100watt equivalent CFLs. Plenty bright for general car work. Debating if it will be bright enough for detailed layout work on woodworking, but I think it will be just fine.
 
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Remford

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#1 Lights will be along the side of the car - where you need it. Sorta worthless to put light on the roof.

I think that would be more true if these were three discreet spaces where the beams were walls and each light effectively only would cast downward and front to back. Although the support beams effectively would obscure the middle rows of front-to-back lighting from shining directly upon the side of the adjacent vehicles to mitigate shadows, most of the light from the arrays of perpendicular strips would seem to extend far enough away from the support beams to yield substantial amounts of both direct and ambient light between the cars, not just cars in the same bay.

The garage door hardware is another concern for creating its own shadows. The biggest downside is the absence of longitudinal tubes whose reflections are so useful for detecting body panel contour changes. Ironically, I suspect a longitudinal set of tubes near each centerline would be even more beneficial for the adjacent vehicle than front to back rows situated as far apart as possible over each bay. I've considered suspending the strips just below the beams to enable the illumination to clear them, but that opens up a different can of worms with potential clearance issues and other problem being ceiling mounted avoids entirely.

What I really need is optically neutral support beams. Those damned things are more insidiously obstructive than most people ever would imagine.

Thanks for the input.
 

Gerald O

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Why not mount single rows lengthwise directly to the bottom of the beams?

Like this:
 

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sands35

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Yes - with pictures - support beams.

Hang them from chains by the doors so the lights are between or beside the tracks.

Your call if you surface mount them away from the doors or hang them from chains.
 
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Remford

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I've several iterations with beam-mounted strips - or strips suspended beneath them.

One ****** is that affixing them directly to the beams is considerable wiring challenge without being very unsightly, but that can be dealt with. The bigger challenge comes from lowering them (and the others) even by the foot-or-so from the normal ceiling height places them between and behind cars when the lifts are loaded. Light to the immediate areas beneath would be fine, but there's be very little ambient light from other directions to eliminate shadows. There'd be shadows anyway, but not nearly so pronounced as if all lights were well above at least the fenderlines of the lifted cars. Ive seen portions of garages configured that way and each garage's owner mentioned it as a distinct tradeoff.

It also would all but exclude T5HOs which are bright enough at just 12', let alone 11' or 10'. It does make HO T8 ballasts work better, but also not without somewhat diminishing coverage.

Clearly, these beams are a challenge that will result in needing to choose the configuration with the least drawbacks. The moral of the story is never to trust s homebuilder that doesn't also have too many cars and too little space. :)
 
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