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FMC1959

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FMC, I hate paying final evaluation fees to Ebay, almost 18% for all the fees not including having a store and it's cost (24$/month). For me E-bay is a advertisement cost, I hardly sell any jaws there but get plenty of traffic to my two sites. My sites charges me 4% per sale and operating fees that amount to another 3%.

I can't say, I have never sold anything on eBay, or much elsewhere, being the packrat type, I gotta start selling!

So correct me if I am wrong, but the heavy %fees you are talking about has to do with setting up an eBay storefront? My brother, the total opposite of me, sells all kinds of stuff. I thought he told me to just sell like most people do, without any storefront, it is something in the 3-4% range? I figure this is how Balane and others do it?

You have your website, which is great for your vise parts business, to get top dollar for the vise you want to get rid of, my guess that eBay gives you a ton more opportunity, provided the fees are not exorbitant.
 
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Even with a store, high volume and Top Rated Seller discounts my eBay fees average 13% when combined with PayPal fees. This changes a little bit depending on what section of eBay your item is selling in but 13% total fees is a pretty solid average for me across the board.

It isn't cheap but I have absolutely no doubt that I have a better bottom line than if I chose not to use eBay. It's actually really cheap when you look at the cut typical auction houses will take from sellers and even buyers at times.

Some aren't aware of this but both eBay and PayPal now take a similar percentage of shipping fees. This was done because people were abusing the system, selling things for ten cents with $100 shipping charges. Those people ruined that aspect of things for everybody. Now those costs are passed to the buyer who don't understand why they can't pay face value for shipping.
 

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Even with a store, high volume and Top Rated Seller discounts my eBay fees average 13% when combined with PayPal fees. This changes a little bit depending on what section of eBay your item is selling in but 13% total fees is a pretty solid average for me across the board.

It isn't cheap but I have absolutely no doubt that I have a better bottom line than if I chose not to use eBay. It's actually really cheap when you look at the cut typical auction houses will take from sellers and even buyers at times.

Some aren't aware of this but both eBay and PayPal now take a similar percentage of shipping fees. This was done because people were abusing the system, selling things for ten cents with $100 shipping charges. Those people ruined that aspect of things for everybody. Now those costs are passed to the buyer who don't understand why they can't pay face value for shipping.

For domestics, Ebay take 10% of both final sale price and postage. Paypal takes around another 4% or so on top of that.

Didn't realize the fees were so high, good to know
 

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Balane, on the paint; if Satin Italian Olive, sells well have you tried army olive drab? I wonder if it's similarity to OD is a factor?
 

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You have one of the later production of the general type or configuration of vise commonly known as a 'pipefitters' or 'steamfitters' vise.

These were meant for the heavy work in the fitting-up of various types of piping associated with large, heavy steam equipment, as might be found in power plants or in shipyard work.

Whilst that particular one is relatively new-ish, as that pattern of main screw retainer wasn't used by the Reed works until the (approx) 1938-'40-ish time-frame, the basic design is quite old.

Some of the older ones of that style will be found with the fixed jaw casting incorporating 'bending notches' to hold different sizes of pipe for bending. Some versions had a three or four bolt mounting, others had the early style swivel-base, in which the vise was held by a central screw, with a large 'butterfly' wing-nut under the bench.

The idea was that vise equipment for job-site piping fitment would include chain-vises of multiple sizes to hold pipes, and the fitters' bench vise to hold the flats on valves, and/or hold smaller pipes for bending. If you look at the steam and air piping on a steam locomotive, for example, or in the engine room and auxiliary equipment spaces of ships, you will see a lot of rather precise pipe bending and fitup.

This was a high-order skill, actually, those old steamfitters had a lot of piping to fit neatly into limited space, and were expected to 'make it look good'.

Some of these vises will be found marked 'GFE' for 'General Fire Equipment', a supplier of piping systems for large buildings, or 'Grinnell', a major 'full-line' supplier of piping system components.

Your Reed seems to be a later improvement on that general 'style' of vise, with the easily replaced bronze nut, and the greater opening distance than was common with the older ones.

The old steamfitters' vises are sought after, these days, by people who do smithing, as they are much less 'fragile' than are the 'machinists' pattern of vises, when given the 'brutal' treatment involved in hot work.

In short, you've an elegant bit of history.....I've never seen a steamfitters' vise in such amazingly well-preserved condition......maybe that one was 'surplus' as 'unsold stock' when a supply house was closed down??? (edit.....that grey paint looks 'original', and would suggest 1950's production.....I don't know exactly when the Reed works changed from their earlier black paint, to that grey, but early/mid '50's seems probable)

Added on edit......nothing stops the screw from being backed all the way out of the nut.....that is how it is meant to be dis-assembled, and its 'taken for granted' that the user will know to keep the screw 'full nut' when holding a workpiece as large as the vise will allow.....that said, old ones may be found which had a washer welded to the end of the main screw, to make it impossible to dis-assemble the vise.....a precaution against 'on the job sabotage' which a disgruntled worker might do by removing and discarding the sliding jaw assembly of the vise.

(this was but one aspect of 'never make an old boilermaker or steamfitter angry'.....they were some 'rough' men, or so the old stories are told.)

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Carla

Wow, oh WOW! What a spectacular bonanza of information. Thank you very, very much. It is outstanding that you know so much and it's equally spectacular that you deign to take the time to spread that knowledge. Thank you!

PS - I find this forums policy of "let's put every post about vises into one thread" awkward. I missed BOTH Carla's response AND OUTLAWMWS "did you read Carla's answer?" Today I searched for "hobkirk" and found them. Next time I will know to do that.
 

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Yes, I've done two vises in a more camouflage hue of olive. One Craftsman and one Parker. Both did OK and they photographed well. But that Italian Olive Satin strikes me as having a broader appeal. These things are really hard to quantify because so many variables are involved such as vise brand, size, style and timing. It's easy to figure out what colors don't have a lot of popularity (Gold for example.) but much harder to determine what, if any color, is best for generating interest. I only noticed those Italian Olive vises always seem to surprise me with their final values.
 

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Dave: also just curious if you see a production date stamped on the top of the back half of you dynamic slide?

Regarding this old CM vise, does anyone know what goes in this hole. It's the main nut but it's manufactured with a slit and there's a small threaded hole for something. What the heck is it used for?

P.S. upon cleanup, looks like date code is 3-50

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That's a bolt for adjusting the tension of the nut. If you tighten it then the thin, rear portion tilts forward applying pressure on the main screw. Any bolt that fits will work as long as the hex head fits within the circular recess. Personally I find the idea kind of silly since most vises work just fine without them. I always left that bolt just snug enough to not move but apply no pressure on the screw.
 

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Regarding this old CM vise, does anyone know what goes in this hole. It's the main nut but it's manufactured with a slit and there's a small threaded hole for something. What the heck is it used for?

P.S. upon cleanup, looks like date code is 3-50

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It takes a filister head slotted screw. It's for adjusting tension to remove slop from the vise
 

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It takes a filister head slotted screw. It's for adjusting tension to remove slop from the vise

That's a bolt for adjusting the tension of the nut. If you tighten it then the thin, rear portion tilts forward applying pressure on the main screw. Any bolt that fits will work as long as the hex head fits within the circular recess. Personally I find the idea kind of silly since most vises work just fine without them. I always left that bolt just snug enough to not move but apply no pressure on the screw.

^^^Thanks guys!!
 

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DaveF: you sure know how to post pictures and i always like what you seem to find. here's a picture of the vise nut from my 5196 with the screw in so you can see what it looks like. nice looking vise
 

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McCartney said "money can't buy me love", and others would add happiness.

To me happiness is family, friends & health, although a new car, a new tool, or any new toy rank up there pretty high. Actually happiness can be just about anything, including seeing someone else's dream (obsession) of a 5198.

See attached picture... :lol:

So correct me if I am wrong, but the heavy %fees you are talking about has to do with setting up an eBay storefront? My brother, the total opposite of me, sells all kinds of stuff. I thought he told me to just sell like most people do, without any storefront, it is something in the 3-4% range? I figure this is how Balane and others do it?

I think storefronts might have an additional %, but for basic users (like me and your brother) ebay will take 10% off whatever the final price is (I think there might be a few exceptions in a couple sections). PayPal fees is another 2-3%... So yeah, that adds up...
 

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984 for 984!
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.... But that Italian Olive Satin strikes me as having a broader appeal. These things are really hard to quantify because so many variables are involved such as vise brand, size, style and timing.

Since I need to choose a color for my next Reed resto, I shall do it Italian Olive Satin!!!

And if it looks like ****, I'll blame you! :lol_hitti
 

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Here is my newest find of the day from the flea market. It's on the small side but still was interesting enough for the price

Grand QuickCet. 3" spring adjust vise. Just pull the lever and it springs open about 1 1/2" on its own. Pretty neat little guy
 

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Is this an old Wilton?
If so, someone near Fredericksburg, VA grab it - Listed as Large and Older - $40.00
Blue

and missing a jaw. It's a Cadet model from the 80's or '90's I'm guessing. Put a $40 set of jaws on, repaint it, and you'll have something worth $40-$50. I would pass and wait for a real bullet.
 

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^^^Thanks guys!!

Just to add, it is technically called a backlash adjustment. That thing is awesome. :thumbup:

Here is my newest find of the day from the flea market. It's on the small side but still was interesting enough for the price

Grand QuickCet. 3" spring adjust vise. Just pull the lever and it springs open about 1 1/2" on its own. Pretty neat little guy

I had one of those, odd little vise, but pretty stout for a clamp on. IIRC they are just copper washed so careful if you wire wheel.
 

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If Oldie gets his 5198 and it gets relay shipped along Interstate 20 through Louisiana I will try to be part of the relay!
 

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and missing a jaw. It's a Cadet model from the 80's or '90's I'm guessing. Put a $40 set of jaws on, repaint it, and you'll have something worth $40-$50. I would pass and wait for a real bullet.

Not to mention that it looks like the handle has been "repaired" by someone jamming a nut on one end in place of the peened ball.
 

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and missing a jaw. It's a Cadet model from the 80's or '90's I'm guessing. Put a $40 set of jaws on, repaint it, and you'll have something worth $40-$50. I would pass and wait for a real bullet.

That's a Tradesman vise actually. It's also missing the pipe jaws and has a bolt for a handle but depending on the model and other issues I would pick it up if it was local.
 

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I think storefronts might have an additional %, but for basic users (like me and your brother) ebay will take 10% off whatever the final price is (I think there might be a few exceptions in a couple sections). PayPal fees is another 2-3%... So yeah, that adds up...

I wasn't aware the fees were that high, but I guess that is why eBay's stock is doing so well!
 

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BC, that looks a lot like those double dowel clamp-on vises almost everyone has marketed, if not made. Only they cheapened the product by losing the QR. Very cool find!

I'm betting that came before the others. Does it have a pat no./Date?

ps: check the "copper" slides with a magnet. probably cooper washed like ZK said.
 
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Nope...

No updates...:sad:

The vise will get inspected, and then we'll talk money...:thumbup:

I'm worried about the hole and the insides/underside...:dunno:

All will be revealed...

Have patience, my "Grasshoppers"...:evil:

(Query---What are we going to use for page 1,000???)
 

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Here's mine...

I've been looking for a long time for a decent vise for my new shop... I've got a nice post vise- But No good place to mount it yet. I need a bigger bench vise eventually, but this one will do for now. It was a little rusty, But after a good bath in Evaporust, some paint stripper, and a couple coats of paint it's ready to go!
 

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A 1000lb railroad vise ! :drool:

By Jiminies!!!

Now, there's an idea...:thumbup:

Now, where to find one???:dunno:

I wonder if it's "chained down" somewhere???:lol:

Although, at 1,000 pounds, I don't see why you'd have to chain it down...;)

But you never can tell with the "Vise Fetish" crowd...:evil:
 

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A 1000lb railroad vise ! :drool:

By Jiminies!!!

Now, there's an idea...:thumbup:

Now, where to find one???:dunno:

I wonder if it's "chained down" somewhere???:lol:

Although, at 1,000 pounds, I don't see why you'd have to chain it down...;)

But you never can tell with the "Vise Fetish" crowd...:evil:

Maybe not a 1000 lb vise, but 1000 lbs of vices? You KNOW someone here has that much.
 

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Here's mine...

I've been looking for a long time for a decent vise for my new shop... I've got a nice post vise- But No good place to mount it yet. I need a bigger bench vise eventually, but this one will do for now. It was a little rusty, But after a good bath in Evaporust, some paint stripper, and a couple coats of paint it's ready to go!


Nice job love the two tone!
 
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