The VISES of Garage Journal

[KMScott]

Wow GETRIDAONE, Really nice job. Winding your own spring in the threaded hole really impresses me. I bet that was not easy, I can envision winding it on a bolt and installing that way. Impressive lock down, can get a good grip on it and even tapping it with a rubber hammer will not hurt it. Fabricating pipe jaws from 1/2" steel plate with out a mill, Wow. Great job.

 

[garthg]

That's kind of the point of the bullet being a totally enclosed screw to keep debris out.

Probably easiest to just take the front collar off, then unscrew it all the way out (but leave the jaws closed). Put some grease on the screw and put it back in, then put the collar back on.

Like I said, it was a "duh" question.

Gonna go give it a shot of grease right now. I think the grease has gotten hard and gummy after 22 years.

 

[EOC_Jason]

Like I said, it was a "duh" question.

Gonna go give it a shot of grease right now. I think the grease has gotten hard and gummy after 22 years.

I would also do like drivesitfar said, one you unscrew the handle all the way out, just pull out the dynamic. Then you can clean & re-grease the keyway and the slide some and check the mainscrew nut.

Don't forget to grease the surface between the handle & dynamic good too, all that clamping force can wear those surfaces if not kept well greased. Good to grease the groove the collar sits in too to prevent wear.

 

[wrenchguy]

Wrench: that qualifies and nice looking vise. have you landed any other big guys lately or just those huge farm machines this summer?

laying low, only if its over 6" and i ain't got it. trying to wrap up some small projects so to bring the "prentiss 58 heavy chipping" in 4 a restore to period looking. no custom look 4 that super traditional looking 8 1/2'er. thanks 4 asking.

 

[wrenchguy]

So my 1 1/2" table top with attached 6" leg vise doesn't count??

what i meant is if this gets serious about 1000 pages and all the criteria should be stated. someome state different categories other than "no chains and locks".

jake ol'buddy ????

i got post vice too but not bolted to 1 1/2" plate bench. thanks 4 ur thoughts.

 

[Saiga]

 

[jakemac]

what i meant is if this gets serious about 1000 pages and all the criteria should be stated. someome state different categories other than "no chains and locks".

jake ol'buddy ????

i got post vice too but not bolted to 1 1/2" plate bench. thanks 4 ur thoughts.

Only clampy thingies in the shape of a vise should count. Post vises - YES. Tables, benches, Truck bumpers, chains, padlocks, anvils, coyotes, desert fowl - NO.

 

[EOC_Jason]

laying low, only if its over 6" and i ain't got it. trying to wrap up some small projects so to bring the "prentiss 58 heavy chipping" in 4 a restore to period looking. no custom look 4 that super traditional looking 8 1/2'er. thanks 4 asking.

What wha?!?! You have a Prentiss 58!??!!?!? Where did you get it???

Uh Oh... Did someone take some bolt cutters and go "shopping" at va.grouseman's place?

 

[wrenchguy]

nice, real nice.

 

[FMC1959]

What wha?!?! You have a Prentiss 58!??!!?!? Where did you get it???

Is he the lucky SOB to get B100's?

 

[FMC1959]

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That's a great way to test a suspension (loading up patio tiles also)!

 

[Trey T]

LoL... nice. Where did you get it? How much for the whole basket?

 

[wrenchguy]

What wha?!?! You have a Prentiss 58!??!!?!? Where did you get it???




Uh Oh... Did someone take some bolt cutters and go "shopping" at va.grouseman's place?

sitting next to a r i 577.





Post about it last november.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222961

 

[alinc100]

Hi All,
While perusing local ads I found a listing for a Men's Garage Sale and within the photos was a cart with vises on it. I emailed the seller asking for more info and the response was:
"There are four vises large one is made by ridge tool it opens up about a foot and the price is 150"

Compared to the others on the cart this thing looks like a beast!!
Is it collectible/desirable/rare?
I have no real indication of size or model number but I plan to go to the sale on it's opening day (Saturday) and do some shopping.

 

[Fretters]

Only clampy thingies in the shape of a vise should count. Post vises - YES. Tables, benches, Truck bumpers, chains, padlocks, anvils, coyotes, desert fowl - NO.

It's a bit bad when you have to explain the difference between a vice and everything else, ain't it. You missed vice stands from that list, btw.

 

[oldldh]

alinc100---

Get there real early!!!

He who hesitates is SOL!!!

 

[drivesitfar]

Wrench: I had the 58 and 577 picture as my wallpaper on my laptop for a month or two after you posted it. Glad you are getting some time to spend on the 58.

I might have to change screensaver to a pallet full of vises or the van full looks better.

Alinc: probably a ridgid brand vise and they are stout if in good shape. Wrenchguy's with the flags is an 8 incher.

So I guess my little cabinet is ok to count? I'm way short of competing for 10 tons but I might have a couple now.

 

[jakemac]

Hi All,
While perusing local ads I found a listing for a Men's Garage Sale and within the photos was a cart with vises on it. I emailed the seller asking for more info and the response was:
"There are four vises large one is made by ridge tool it opens up about a foot and the price is 150"

Compared to the others on the cart this thing looks like a beast!!
Is it collectible/desirable/rare?
I have no real indication of size or model number but I plan to go to the sale on it's opening day (Saturday) and do some shopping.

If it's cheap enough, go for the parts washer as well. That's one of the good ones. It looks like it's a GrayMills Handi-Kleen #PL-32. I haven't cleaned or set mine up yet, but I got the same one for $20 (missing the parts tray) a couple months ago. It sold for $400-$600 (can't remember) when it was new.

 

[Fretters]

So I guess my little cabinet is ok to count?

Nope. Whatever the vices may be attached to, stored within, sat on or bolted onto don't count.

 

[wrenchguy]

Wrench:
I might have to change screensaver to a pallet full of vises or the van full looks better.

i agree, looks like someone is going to the co-op getting vise weighed.

 

[joe.striper]

Oooh, I just picked up my first 100+lb vise, a Parker 825 swivel base machinist vise. 5" jaws, 135 lbs.. heres a pic next to my Parker 974 1/2. I need to tear this one down as it is stiff. My info tells me this was a RR or Naval yard vise. Paid $100.

Also picked up a C1 Wilton. Needs refinishing and one pipe jaw, othrrwise in un abused condition. $150. Pics when I pick it up.

 

[Outlawmws]

Alinc, assuming there is no collateral damage, go get that puppy, you might want to bid on the whole litter!

It gets a bit fuzzy @ 400%, but the "small" black one next to it may be english...

 

[EOC_Jason]

I think the Ridge Tool is a 61CPN (6" Combination), I don't think they made a 5" Combo... For $150 I would be waiting there before the sun came up...

The black one looks like those usual chinese vises. I can't tell what the other two are, they are hidden behind the first two....

Hi All,
While perusing local ads I found a listing for a Men's Garage Sale and within the photos was a cart with vises on it. I emailed the seller asking for more info and the response was:
"There are four vises large one is made by ridge tool it opens up about a foot and the price is 150"

Compared to the others on the cart this thing looks like a beast!!
Is it collectible/desirable/rare?
I have no real indication of size or model number but I plan to go to the sale on it's opening day (Saturday) and do some shopping.

 

[drivesitfar]

Jason: nice picture and i didn't have Ridge in my memory banks so saving that picture to help.

Joe: the Parker 974.5 and the Wilton C1 would be probably 2 options if anybody asked me what they should put on each side of their bench. unfortunately you are a member of GJ so you'll probably want a Parker 978 and a Wilton C3. nice purchase on both vises.

by the way how do you like the colored finger savers. i think you said you picked them up at Napa or can you get them at any parts store and what exactly are they called so i don't have to search back 100 pages?

Fretters: it wasn't like i was going to win anything by including my 500 pound cabinet, 1300 pound surface plate and my rolling 3/4 inch thick steel on a rolling 4 x 8 bench. there just isn't enough money in my vise funds to buy more than maybe 1 8 incher much less a group.

Oldie: I know your thinking is probably on something else and not sure exactly what that is at the minute, but i can take a guess. isn't the pallet of vises that Saiga bought from that auction you were bidding on several months ago?

Saiga: what can one say, but which ones are you going to sell and i hope you have those in your van still so you can take a road trip to see the Pacific Ocean while we still have 85 degree weather and no humidity. Pleeeeeeeeese.

thanks for sharing those awesome pictures and if you get a minute (or maybe an hour) to take a bunch of pictures and post them with information on what they all are that would be awesome.

 

[joe.striper]

Drivesitfar, They are called glad hands and they use tthem on truck airline connectos. Ive seen them in red, black and blue. I like them ALOT. Every place that sells truck parts has them.

Here's the killer, the seller tells me "oh, I had a bigger one, a Wilton, 8" jaws, I sold it yesrerday for S275" AAARRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

 

[oldldh]

Drivesitfar---

You could be right...

But I remember some Wiltons in the batch...

But, I've been wrong before...

 

[bigcaddy]

I think the Ridge Tool is a 61CPN (6" Combination), I don't think they made a 5" Combo... For $150 I would be waiting there before the sun came up...

The black one looks like those usual chinese vises. I can't tell what the other two are, they are hidden behind the first two....

I think Jason is correct on the vise to the right being Chi-com but the one behind is another combo vise. The slide has an unusual profile so it might be a Oswego or some other uncommon American made brand.

Like others have said, get there before the sun comes up and bring something to read. I have no problem waiting 3+ hours for something good

If it's company run, ask about their list policy. See if they will allow you to start one the day before or, iF that's not an option, have them start one with your name as the first. It would never hurt to ask

 

[jakemac]

Joe -
Oooooo that Parker 825 is a beauty !

 

[drivesitfar]

Joe: it was probably a Chinese made Wilton Tradesman with an 8 inch wide jaw. strange to say, but I've bought several 4, 5 and 6 inch old Reed, Prentiss, and Rock Island vises from old guys that liked their Chinese 8 incher the best. or the one that does all the swiveling and rotating that is usually broken too.

thanks for the information on the finger savers.

Oldie: you might be right, but the pallet of vises had a certain familiar look to it from a post in our past.

BC: i don't think Alinc needs any more help because he probably already has filled up an old empty Sears store with what he has bought the last couple months at the sales. have you seen the garage sale thread lately. Alinc could open his own "real" store if he hasn't already.

i know your Craftsman 519x series vises are probably at the back of the museum, but do you remember when the ones with Craftsman badges had dated on their slides? i guess i could look at the old Craftsman catalog pages if they are too hard to find if you didn't mark them down somewhere.

 

[joe.striper]

Joe: it was probably a Chinese made Wilton Tradesman with an 8 inch wide jaw. strange to say, but I've bought several 4, 5 and 6 inch old Reed, Prentiss, and Rock Island vises from old guys that liked their Chinese 8 incher the best. or the one that does all the swiveling and rotating that is usually broken too.

thanks for the information on the finger savers.

No Problem. Thanks for trying to assuage my frustration but the seller told me that they had to take the vise apart because it was so heavy and move it in two pieces. Also he said the 'shaft' was round.

I've attached the ad for the Parker 825 listing it's weight. Thing weighs more than my first girlfriend! I'm thinking of painting the 825 in Hammerite green and keeping it as my workbench vise which means I would move my 5" swivelin' Wilton down the road. My new quote about swiveling vises "If it doesn't jiggle, it's not alive. - DateHookup"

 

[bigcaddy]

Joe: it was probably a Chinese made Wilton Tradesman with an 8 inch wide jaw. strange to say, but I've bought several 4, 5 and 6 inch old Reed, Prentiss, and Rock Island vises from old guys that liked their Chinese 8 incher the best. or the one that does all the swiveling and rotating that is usually broken too.

thanks for the information on the finger savers.

Oldie: you might be right, but the pallet of vises had a certain familiar look to it from a post in our past.

BC: i don't think Alinc needs any more help because he probably already has filled up an old empty Sears store with what he has bought the last couple months at the sales. have you seen the garage sale thread lately. Alinc could open his own "real" store if he hasn't already.

i know your Craftsman 519x series vises are probably at the back of the museum, but do you remember when the ones with Craftsman badges had dated on their slides? i guess i could look at the old Craftsman catalog pages if they are too hard to find if you didn't mark them down somewhere.

2-55, 10-54, 5-53, 9-55 and the last one is 50 but I don't remember the month

 

[unashamedlaborer]

So this is my first wilton, I sent my wife to an estate sale based on a picture I saw on the web and all I knew is it was a wilton bullet and that I had been looking for one for a long time. After a bit of research I now know it is a swivel jaw model. What I can't seem to figure out is the exact date of manufacture. It is Schiller park, but after careful examination the date code looks to me like it reads GUAR 5YR 12-31-63 so I am assuming that the printed date is the exact manufacture date not the expiration of the warranty. Anybody have any input? I got everything freed up and working well except the swivel jaw. I cannot for the life of me get it off or get the pin out. Any ideas?

 

[bigcaddy]

So this is my first wilton, I sent my wife to an estate sale based on a picture I saw on the web and all I knew is it was a wilton bullet and that I had been looking for one for a long time. After a bit of research I now know it is a swivel jaw model. What I can't seem to figure out is the exact date of manufacture. It is Schiller park, but after careful examination the date code looks to me like it reads GUAR 5YR 12-31-63 so I am assuming that the printed date is the exact manufacture date not the expiration of the warranty. Anybody have any input? I got everything freed up and working well except the swivel jaw. I cannot for the life of me get it off or get the pin out. Any ideas?

The guarantee stamps were usually marked 5 years from date of manufacture but there has been some confusion over this,

As for getting it apart, just take out the pivot bolt and lift off the entire jaw. Mine did the same thing and it's a pretty easy fix.

Once off, hit the tapered pin with some penetrant and heat, then press it out or strike it with a brass hammer. I supported mine with a small section of 1" steel pipe so I wouldn't damage the castings

 

[FMC1959]

Joe -
Oooooo that Parker 825 is a beauty !

This 825 is sweet! We see tons of Parkers but 800 series Superiors in 5"+ rare.

 

[unashamedlaborer]

The guarantee stamps were usually marked 5 years from date of manufacture but there has been some confusion over this,



As for getting it apart, just take out the pivot bolt and lift off the entire jaw. Mine did the same thing and it's a pretty easy fix.



Once off, hit the tapered pin with some penetrant and heat, then press it out or strike it with a brass hammer. I supported mine with a small section of 1" steel pipe so I wouldn't damage the castings

I have removed the both the set screw and the pivot bolt and have penetrating oil seeping out between the two pieces however it will not budge. I can see the joint is free as the upper plate or jaw will flex apart from the body but still no dice. Does your vise have a bolt or pin in the side where it looks like there is a pin or broken screw in mine?

 

[wrenchguy]

Oooh, I just picked up my first 100+lb vise, a Parker 825 swivel base machinist vise. 5" jaws, 135 lbs.. heres a pic next to my Parker 974 1/2. I need to tear this one down as it is stiff. My info tells me this was a RR or Naval yard vise. Paid $100.

broke or machined off slide support? i can't believe it is though... its huge and hd.

 

[Fretters]

Tapers can be an absolute cow of a joint to crack when they're tight. Tapping the front of that jaw sideways in alternate directions with a large wooden/rubber mallet should likely work the jaw and pin free. Just don't go too silly on it or use lump hammers etc.

 

[Fretters]

The black one looks like those usual chinese vises.

That was my first thought too when looking at that enlarged image, but I'm not so sure now. It's definitely one which is worth checking out.

 

[joe.striper]

broke or machined off slide support? i can't believe it is though... its huge and hd.

No, the slide support is there, just blocked in the pic. Found the stiffness is that the slide is 2mm wider at the back due to it being used as an anvil. Have to belt sand it down a little and It will be perfect

 

[KMScott]

Joe very nice Parker, does it have a swivel base? Are you going to restore it. Gonna have to start wearing steel toes shoes with the heavy iron you are picking up.