The VISES of Garage Journal

[jakemac]

I would like to have a Vanderman but a No. 3. There was one in New Haven CT at the first of the week ($100) but it looked like it had a piece broken off the rear base. I would like the find a Walworth also. I have seen what I think are Miller Falls vises while we are talking about big open screw vises.

Here you go :
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/tls/4805116084.html

VINTAGE WALWORTH bench vise made in BOSTON...5" jaws....large mounting bolt...early 1900's....good working condition, no slippage.....heavy!!...guessing 75lbs plus....$125.....questions welcome

 

[va.grouseman]

Here's that Japanese Pentagram vise.---86,6 lbs.,---5 inch jaws.---Pretty good quality for an import.
















Correction.---It's a Sexagram in the Greek, and a Hexagram in Latin.---Thanks Jake

 

[va.grouseman]

Here's a few more of the Pentagram vise.











Correction.---It's a Sexagram in the Greek, and a Hexagram in Latin.---Thanks Jake.

 

[jakemac]

Here's that Japanese Pentagram vise.---

Not a pentagram, it's a Star of David (sexagram).

pentagram = 5 points
sexagram = 6 points

 

[va.grouseman]

You are correct sir.---Thank you.

 

[NJ Marty]

Marty, the reed sure ia a beauty. I see you got the piece of government property too.

Yes, good eye you have. It is very heavy and well built. looks to be 1" steel.

 

[threepiece]

ALL:

I did buy an early 1900's or late 1800's Vanderman open screw vise similar to this one a couple days ago. i'll post the real pictures over on the Vise Repair 101 thread. it is sort of an open screw, but it has 5 inch jaws and easily weighs 100 pounds. it has the single bolt through the bench to mount it plus a couple other holes to keep it from swiveling. we on the left coast don't all swivelers, but we do have a few.

I have a Vanderman vise that has a similar shape however mine is much bigger. I believe my Vanderman is actually heavier than the Parker No. 207 I bought last weekend. The 207 weighs about 150lbs. Do you know anything about the slots in the anvil area? I have wondered about them since I have owned the vise.

 

[jakemac]

Do you know anything about the slots in the anvil area? I have wondered about them since I have owned the vise.

Blood grooves ??

 

[drivesitfar]

Threepiece: i'm guessing the slot was made for pipe, but not certain. from my research Vanderman made 3 models. #1 is 5 inch jaws and 100 pounds, #2 is 150 pounds, and #3 is 200 pounds and haven't found the jaw width size anywhere posted on the bigger ones. since you have a bigger one can you tell us the width of your Vanderman and how much it weighs.

also please post a few pictures of your because these vises aren't exactly common?

VA: must be your year to get some Christmas presents. nice assortment. did you say you have a stainless steel Morgan vise? any chance you have pictures or if you might know the post # of that vise? are there any other stainless vises that were made that you know of?

 

[rusty65]

Drives yost still makes a stainless steel vise. It's for food prep areas.


Sent directly from the Snap On Kool Aid factory.

 

[va.grouseman]

Yea Drivesit,---I'm in the process of getting 3 or 4 together for a visible comparison.---The 140 Morgan is stainless but not what I call True stainless.---It's more like a 304 stainless than a 318 or a 400 series.---I have some pipe and valves and fittings of the 304 and some of the 318 series I got from salvage.---Magnet will stick to the 304 but not to the 318 stainless pieces, yet the 304 will not rust.---Kind of like the shinny moldings and trims they used to put on real cars.---Haven't got any pics of it anywhere because I was kind of waiting to see if it would rust.---Been setting there for 2 1/2 years, no rust.---All the vises around it I have had to reoil 2 or 3 times.---The fellow I got it from said it had been setting in a shed for 3 years but I just knew it was painted.---But it was a nice one so I bought it anyway.

The 4 inch Yost's Rusty mentioned will run you $75.00 a lb..---They weigh 12 lbs.---I can't say for sure but I will venture that they are true/nonmagnetic stainless.

 

[joe.striper]

Threepiece: i'm guessing the slot was made for pipe, but not certain. from my research Vanderman made 3 models. #1 is 5 inch jaws and 100 pounds, #2 is 150 pounds, and #3 is 200 pounds and haven't found the jaw width size anywhere posted on the bigger ones. since you have a bigger one can you tell us the width of your Vanderman and how much it weighs.

also please post a few pictures of your because these vises aren't exactly common?

VA: must be your year to get some Christmas presents. nice assortment. did you say you have a stainless steel Morgan vise? any chance you have pictures or if you might know the post # of that vise? are there any other stainless vises that were made that you know of?

These Vandermann vises were made in Willimantic CT for the steamfitter industry. At this moment i can put my hands on 6 of these for between 150 to 200 bucks each. I know of a dozen between my family and friends. Who wants one? They are HUGE but they don't swivel and are exposed screw so they are dead to me.

 

[nine4gmc]

Anyone able to identify the vise in these pics? The table is 56"x 66"x 3/4" for size reference. I'm scheduled second in line to look at it, I hope the first guy don't show.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

nine, That is a "Big Foot" model made by the Big *** Vise Company
The writing on the side is just to blurry when enlarged.
Maybe someone can ID it. Good Luck on it.

 

[JeremyBurke]

Anyone able to identify the vise in these pics? The table is 56"x 66"x 3/4" for size reference. I'm scheduled second in line to look at it, I hope the first guy don't show.

Nine I can't make out the number but I can read the "R" on the side. That is a reed 20x R series vise. It's gotta be something north of a 6 inched though. I'm gonna guess 208 R. Get it get it now man.

 

[TreePointer]

Nine I can't make out the number but I can read the "R" on the side. That is a reed 20x R series vise. It's gotta be something north of a 6 inched though. I'm gonna guess 208 R. Get it get it now man.

That's what I'm leaning towards, too. It also has that Reed "squished marshmallow" on the end of the main screw.

 

[nine4gmc]

She said the other guy has until 9am to show and then it's mine so it will be a long 2 hrs...

 

[va.grouseman]

Notice what a foundation Reed put under their vises.---Some would say overkill, I say just right.

 

[wrenchguy]

Threepiece: i'm guessing the slot was made for pipe, but not certain. from my research Vanderman made 3 models. #1 is 5 inch jaws and 100 pounds, #2 is 150 pounds, and #3 is 200 pounds and haven't found the jaw width size anywhere posted on the bigger ones. since you have a bigger one can you tell us the width of your Vanderman and how much it weighs.

also please post a few pictures of your because these vises aren't exactly common?

My no.3, 6" jaws. The slots were for tweaking steam pipe around obstructions, rather than using fittings. There were rules in as much as one could tweak. My daughters house in Massachusetts i,m restoring has all kinds of tweaked steam pipe in the walls. Her house was original heated with coal octopus gravity monster. It was changed to steam radiator oil boiler in 1919. When changed to steam the fitters would tweak all they could to make connections and not have to remove plaster from walls or ceilings. I wonder if the slots are different sizes according to model numbers?

 

[wrenchguy]

She said the other guy has until 9am to show and then it's mine so it will be a long 2 hrs...

may the vice gods be with u, and good luck!

 

[joe.striper]

Anyone able to identify the vise in these pics? The table is 56"x 66"x 3/4" for size reference. I'm scheduled second in line to look at it, I hope the first guy don't show.

good luck.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Joe, If you can find a No. 3 Vanderman as nice as Wrenchguy's I would be interested.

 

[joe.striper]

Joe, If you can find a No. 3 Vanderman as nice as Wrenchguy's I would be interested.

How much?

 

[GETRIDAONE]

"150 to 200 bucks each"

 

[drivesitfar]

Nines: I slept in today and you post that monster. i agree with Jeremy and Tree that its' a Huge Reed. i'm also guessing a 208. good luck and you might want to unscrew out the entire front dynamic jaw to carry it home if it isn't cracked or welded. hopefully the towel isn't covering up some issues.

Good luck

Joe: I'd be interested in a #3 Vanderman too and maybe a #2 if you have a couple nice ones so i could have a set of some brand that was complete. mine was a little sloppy on the bench it was attached to so hopefully that is an easy fix.

Wrenchguy: do you know if your #3 weighs 200 pounds and did work ok? yours looks like it was barely used and it pristine. thanks for posting it.

 

[va.grouseman]

My no.3, 6" jaws. The slots were for tweaking steam pipe around obstructions, rather than using fittings. There were rules in as much as one could tweak. My daughters house in Massachusetts i,m restoring has all kinds of tweaked steam pipe in the walls. Her house was original heated with coal octopus gravity monster. It was changed to steam radiator oil boiler in 1919. When changed to steam the fitters would tweak all they could to make connections and not have to remove plaster from walls or ceilings. I wonder if the slots are different sizes according to model numbers?

How much could you tweak without crimping.---I could never tweak pipe without it folding up on me, when doing it in a vise.---Someone once told me if you fill the pipe with sand, it will bend without crimping.---Wrong!

 

[tool_scrounge]

Well I picked up the reed today. The guy was real nice and a pleasure to do business with. I did buy another vise he had, its a huge milling vise weighs about 70lbs but no name, just what looks like JAS. It got dark quick while taking pictures but here are a few, the Reed is in such great shape I am so happy. I have no use for the milling vise but it was waaaay to cool to pass on. Does anyone know who might have made the milling vise. I will post it also separately hoping someone knows.

The usa made ones are by Universal if memory serves. There were a lot of Asian copies made of it.

 

[wrenchguy]

Wrenchguy[/B]: do you know if your #3 weighs 200 pounds and did work ok? yours looks like it was barely used and it pristine. thanks for posting it.

i don't know, its gotta b close to 200. since before turning 65 a couple weeks back, i gotta take it apart to move any distance. i wire wheeled it and used soapstone on the lettering 4 photos.

its gotta b past 9am in la.

 

[wrenchguy]

How much could you tweak without crimping.---I could never tweak pipe without it folding up on me, when doing it in a vise.---Someone once told me if you fill the pipe with sand, it will bend without crimping.---Wrong!

it depends on how long a piece of pipe u got. its more like making a long sweep, tweak then move, tweak then move and so on. i wish i took pics of the ones i saw when we gutted the walls. theres gotta b steam fitter info about these vise somewhere?

its gotta b pass 9am down there by now???

 

[wrenchguy]

Re: Howard works vise on c-list

i can't save pics 4 some reason now, go ahead please,

http://nwct.craigslist.org/tls/4804719071.html

 

[drivesitfar]

Wrench: maybe Nines is trying to figure out how to load that vise on that 500 pound bench on his truck. if i was closer i'd help and lift one corner. Nines?

speaking of removing a vise from a metal bench or removing a rusty or welded bolt has anyone brought either there plumbing mapp torch or something a bit bigger to cut a vise loose?

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Re: Howard works vise on c-list

i can't save pics 4 some reason now, go ahead please,

http://nwct.craigslist.org/tls/4804719071.html

Too bad the slide support is broken off. I have seen some that have no markings on them. The screw on top of the retainer gives them away. Also they look a lot like a Parker

 

[joe.striper]

http://providence.craigslist.org/tls/4806819436.html

http://nh.craigslist.org/tls/4783546312.html

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/4778036068.html

http://nh.craigslist.org/tls/4725898411.html

http://westernmass.craigslist.org/tls/4788020062.html

http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/atq/4802099853.html

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/4810594641.html

Here are vises all within two hours of me. The top three are all Vanderman #1s, but I see #2 & 3 vises all the time. The rest are just an odd collection of vises that might pique your interests. The Western MA vise is really nice but too much for me. It is two miles from my house. The 6th link is a Grand Master vise, which is pretty cool and rare, I'm not sure if this has the triangular slide.

The last link is just a brand new GIANT Yost vise that is $$$.

Wish me luck, I'm going to a guys house Saturday to buy a #3 Greenerd Arbor press and he has over a dozen vises including 4 over 100#s that he hasn't advertised but which he is thinking of selling.

 

[bluebolt]

Nine4GMC, I scaled the picture using the dimensions you gave and compared it to my Reed 206R. Where the portion of the slide is 18" on mine looks to be 25" on that one. I then looked at Filson's photos and measurements of his Reed 208 and the same area measured at 24". Since of course there is a bit of error there yea, it's a 208.

 

[BJ42LX]

Nine4GMC, I scaled the picture ... yea, it's a 208.

Seven hours later aaaaaand still no update.

 

[drivesitfar]

BJ: i hope the vise didn't fall on Nines and he's in the hospital. this waiting is almost as much fun as watching a couple guys bidding on a cool tool in an auction. Nines any news or is it gone and you are busy working?

 

[Fretters]

How much could you tweak without crimping.---I could never tweak pipe without it folding up on me, when doing it in a vise.---Someone once told me if you fill the pipe with sand, it will bend without crimping.---Wrong!

The point to remember is that it would be the malleable iron, thick wall pipe being used, so it's far less prone to kinking than most other types of tube or pipe unless you're an ape with it.

 

[bluebolt]

BJ: i hope the vise didn't fall on Nines and he's in the hospital. this waiting is almost as much fun as watching a couple guys bidding on a cool tool in an auction. Nines any news or is it gone and you are busy working?

I texted him at 11 AM, no word back yet.

 

[nine4gmc]

Well, I missed it by "that" much... The ad was for a welding table for $300 and mentioned that everything bolted to it was for sale as well. I text her at 2am askign how much for the vise, she says $100 if the guy that's buying the table doesn't buy it too. The guy showed up and made a "fair" offer and bought it all....He paid less than $100 for that damn vise :O

http://batonrouge.craigslist.org/tls/4811213687.html

HI! This table is approximately 55"x66" and 3/4" thick. It has pipes for legs and braces at each corner. It also has additional brackets to hold clamps and other accessories. I have included pics. The items mounted to it are not included and will be removed. However, they are for sale if you are interested, please just let me know.

Let me know if you have questions. We do consider this price VERY fair, but if you would like to negotiate, please just keep it reasonable.

 

[EOC_Jason]

Seven hours later aaaaaand still no update.

Hopefully that Reed 208 didn't crush him... Risk of death by giant vise is a very real circumstance! Hehe...

Edit - just saw he posted right before I did... Sorry you missed out.