The VISES of Garage Journal
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Outlawmws
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bmxdad
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Picked up a new, to me, Vise ... a #24 Holland. Pretty abused, but no cracks and looks complete. Screw is very worn, and the way it's held in place is a little hokey.. Looks like someone slipped a piece of pipe over it and put a set screw into the pipe it to hold it in place.
The Swivel was jammed, but after loosening the center bolt up it came free. Again, kinda jury rigged. There is a piece of threaded rod, with what looks to be a hacksaw blade wrapped around it to build up the collar of the rod. Then a nut is tightened down. Nothing to stop the nut from clamping the swivel down. I'd bet there was a stepped shoulder bolt that was tightened down, and the collar shimmed to keep the slack out.
Overall, not bad for $15
The Swivel was jammed, but after loosening the center bolt up it came free. Again, kinda jury rigged. There is a piece of threaded rod, with what looks to be a hacksaw blade wrapped around it to build up the collar of the rod. Then a nut is tightened down. Nothing to stop the nut from clamping the swivel down. I'd bet there was a stepped shoulder bolt that was tightened down, and the collar shimmed to keep the slack out.
Overall, not bad for $15
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Flavc3.---Here is some page references that might help you some.---Just other members with RAE vises.
Page 36,----post 710
page 40,----post 785
page 168,----post 3350
page 198,----post 3944
page 413,----post 8244
page 908,----post 18147
Demo.---There is an Athol #41 with the lift and slide capacity on page 413,----post 8260.
va.grouseman
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Originally Posted by 454ragtop View Post
Demoman, I have one of those quick set Athols, pics here http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...46#post3110446
Unfortunately, as I posted a few days later, the swivel jaw is broken where the retaining collar holds it in the main body. I'm going to try to repair it someday, when I get a round tuit.
Jim
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454---here's you another one.---I'm not using it right now.---Actually most everybody has one that they seldom use.
Originally Posted by 454ragtop View Post
Demoman, I have one of those quick set Athols, pics here http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...46#post3110446
Unfortunately, as I posted a few days later, the swivel jaw is broken where the retaining collar holds it in the main body. I'm going to try to repair it someday, when I get a round tuit.
Jim
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454---here's you another one.---I'm not using it right now.---Actually most everybody has one that they seldom use.
Rewind97
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Need a new vise in the shop. What do y'all recommend for around $50 to $60?
Hot Chop shop
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Just picked up this little guy.... It's only 3" but turns smooth and you don't see too many on Craigslist around here so when you see one you race there before JasonJ gets there.
oldldh
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Well, it would appear that I was wrong...
OSU vs Oregon for all the marbles!!!
Should be a good one...
(A friend of mine wanted to play OSU instead of FSU...I told him he was wrong...)
Blue Frog
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Well, it would appear that I was wrong...
OSU vs Oregon for all the marbles!!!
Should be a good one...
(A friend of mine wanted to play OSU instead of FSU...I told him he was wrong...)
Love the way Bama dismantled the Buckeyes - and the way Auburn dismantled Wisconsin. Go Big10
Just picked up this little guy.... It's only 3" but turns smooth and you don't see too many on Craigslist around here so when you see one you race there before JasonJ gets there.
I have an extra tilt base for one of those, but I don't see the attachment holes in yours.
Hot Chop shop
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Yeah I notice that too? not sure why it doesn't have feet/tabs to lock it down so it doesn't move around on the drill press or bench... But it does fit perfect inside my 6inch Yost DP vise... A vise within a vise think about that? Mind blown right?... But figured I could use it to hold small stuff when I TIG weld... I would be scared with Mig I would get splatter on the main screw (even with a coating of some PAM spray)
454ragtop
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Check for threaded holes on the bottom. I have a similar vise, a Millers Falls I think, that came with a stud with what looks like a faucet handle to attach the vise thru slots in the drill press table.
Jim
Great, Thanks for solving that mystery![/URL][/IMG]
Both of my Parker vises have that notched area too....you do have to make a cut out on whatever it is you're mounting it to or it won't slide onto your mount far enough to line up the front holes. Here's how I did my 106. I found out about how to mount it and its purpose from others on here as well. You came to the right place for sure for all your info needs.
I also have one of those Athol "lift and slide" or "quick adjust" vises. Mine is a Athol 32.
Does anyone have a sale sheet or advertisement or any other paperwork on these vises?? I would like to see the original sales info on it.
Here is the thread on my 32:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154824
Does anyone have a sale sheet or advertisement or any other paperwork on these vises?? I would like to see the original sales info on it.
Here is the thread on my 32:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154824
jakemac
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I picked up a little Cman vise this morning. It's a 3-1/2" jaw #391.5180, made in Japan. Depending on how I divide up the bundle, I either paid $3 or $1.67 for it.
There is about 1 turn of slop in the main screw (fixable with a spacer), and a bent locking handle (fixable with a hammer). Otherwise it's in good shape. It will make a nice little vise for someone (someday).
There is about 1 turn of slop in the main screw (fixable with a spacer), and a bent locking handle (fixable with a hammer). Otherwise it's in good shape. It will make a nice little vise for someone (someday).
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That's a great stand you have. I wish I had the option to move this vise outside if I needed to.
joe.striper
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So I've been working on a hot lead for the last 60 days and today it came to fruition.
I spoke to the daughter of a New England manufacturer who closed the family factory. She has stuff to sell but she is cautious. Anyway, I spoke to her tonight, she has no Wiltons but she said that she has Athols and Parkers, all pre 1950. She claims to have a number of 6" and 8" vises in excellent original condition . My source to her told me she has a ton of stuff.
Going to see her on Wednesday. Wish me luck.
For those of you looking for big stuff you better be nice to me the next 7 days...
I spoke to the daughter of a New England manufacturer who closed the family factory. She has stuff to sell but she is cautious. Anyway, I spoke to her tonight, she has no Wiltons but she said that she has Athols and Parkers, all pre 1950. She claims to have a number of 6" and 8" vises in excellent original condition . My source to her told me she has a ton of stuff.
Going to see her on Wednesday. Wish me luck.
For those of you looking for big stuff you better be nice to me the next 7 days...
TOZYP: You're doing a nice job there. I'm thinking you wouldn't have any issues mounting it the way you have it now. I only notched mine because I can't leave anything alone and started from scratch on building the stand. I'm also sure the notch isn't anything important on the stand I made and is more for a bench type mount. Enjoy your new addition!
Outlawmws
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Depending on how hard you plan to work that vise, I'd notch and move, which will give the vise extra support.
YMMV
Ideally that angled piece should rest on something to give added support, but that would require a wood bench (The original expectation back in the day) or some serious added fab.
YMMV
Ideally that angled piece should rest on something to give added support, but that would require a wood bench (The original expectation back in the day) or some serious added fab.
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KMScott
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Actually the base on the non swivel vises are not very flat, the casting company did not do very a very good job removing the miss match and casting high spots. If mounting to a steel bench then the base should be flattened either by hand filling or machining. There will be less stress on the ears this way if mounting to a steel table. The wood benches do give some. This is how I fix a few of mine.
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Outlawmws
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Good advise from the master! Another option is to get a compliant material between the two. (Assuming the high spots aren't mountains...)
balane
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That's really great work Kevin. I've run into a few of those and wished I had that ability.
KMScott
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balane
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That works! I'm not doing nearly as many vises these days as I used to but, yes, I'm painting. I keep the paint inside overnight to warm it up. I also bake the cast iron pieces to 200 degrees and then spray then back into the oven for 30 mins, three times total. Pieces are turning out fine but the shop is frigid and I can't stand to be out there for long.
Since the mission is to not break off the mounting ears, you can look at other means to prevent this as well, such as using springs on the mounting bolts or limiting how far you tighten them.
When I mounted my Paramo #6, I didn't want to risk cracking its giant swivel base (Outlaw knows how big they are), so I fabricated metal sleeves with washer heads for each mounting ear. They could have simply been some bits of cutoff tubing and separate washers, but I made mine one-piece since I had a lathe. Then when I installed the vise to my maple top bench the sleeves limited how far the bolt heads could tighten down on the ears.
Outlawmws
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Good point! You might get some rocking however.
I had the opposite issue with my vise/bench top. The top is a Formica kitchen counter-top with a back splash and a drip roll on the front edge. I didn't want to cut through the Formica to make it flat so I simply added a washer at each of the three bolts as a spacer. At that size bolt they are near an eighth of an inch thick, and the vise cleared the drip roll. It's been that way for over 25 years without an issue.
Outlawmws
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Rev Scott, I see you are drying vises and the little lady is drying clothes! So you can also point out, "equal time"! 
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Good morning to be in a heated shop working on the Pittsburg...
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/manvel-nd/58256/daily-weather-forecast/339912
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/manvel-nd/58256/daily-weather-forecast/339912
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KM: looks like you are making headway on the next batch of vises nicely. some of the guys i know have installed a pellet stove in their garages or shops. i'm getting ready to buy an old oven something like this for mine. i know space is an issue in your shop, but i'm assuming heat is needed with the low temperatures you have in the winter too. nice work again by the way.
Crete: I'm not sure I've ever seen another Pittsburg vise except for the 695 pounder in a catalog picture. that is very interesting base on yours. i'm guessing it had a swivel base at one time, but why would it have that piece in the middle?
if it were mine i'd make a nice stand for it and drill out the other hole, grind that base flat either on a mill or with a hand grinder and mount it with two bolts. it looks in decent shape besides the base issue.
Get: how's retirement? best of luck making 3 of your 4 wheel friends disappear to make room for your new benches and vise family. if you haven't seen this picture before I finally have all the material to make 3 of these and if my welder friend gets healthy he'll end up with one and i'll keep 2 of them. that way i can sort of have some awesome sawhorses for huge projects without having a 4000 pound table planted in the middle of my shop. i'm also going to put a few clamp holders on the white tables sort of like the one i'm posting. best of luck with your retirement and you'll probably be busier than when you were working some days.
All: by the way i don't have the equipment or skill to weld yet so any recommendations on what to buy and how to learn??
Crete: I'm not sure I've ever seen another Pittsburg vise except for the 695 pounder in a catalog picture. that is very interesting base on yours. i'm guessing it had a swivel base at one time, but why would it have that piece in the middle?
if it were mine i'd make a nice stand for it and drill out the other hole, grind that base flat either on a mill or with a hand grinder and mount it with two bolts. it looks in decent shape besides the base issue.
Get: how's retirement? best of luck making 3 of your 4 wheel friends disappear to make room for your new benches and vise family. if you haven't seen this picture before I finally have all the material to make 3 of these and if my welder friend gets healthy he'll end up with one and i'll keep 2 of them. that way i can sort of have some awesome sawhorses for huge projects without having a 4000 pound table planted in the middle of my shop. i'm also going to put a few clamp holders on the white tables sort of like the one i'm posting. best of luck with your retirement and you'll probably be busier than when you were working some days.
All: by the way i don't have the equipment or skill to weld yet so any recommendations on what to buy and how to learn??
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Thrumcap
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Outlawmws
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Cretdog, is that a quick close vise? Or can you tilt the main screw and move it both ways, if not actually gripping something?
Outlawmws
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Trumcap, that weld was probably a "fix" for a broken swivel jaw... That can be done, but not to easy and not too clean.
So here's a question....
Being largely a hand tools guy, has anyone had success removing the weld from a welded swivel jaw vise?
A Parker 386 and its issue attached.....
Thrumcap
Unfortunately (for you), some one did a pretty good job of welding that together. As outlaw said, it was a fix for a broken swivel jaw. see if you can hammer the retention pin out and look up from the inside of the casting. There is probably a piece broken off and to fix it they welded it solid. It could still be used as a standard vise, as long as it is square, but not quite as solid as a non swivel vise.
Thrumcap
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Hmmm. Well, I decided not to purchase it
($75) - I have enough patients in the operating room. I figured that it was welded just to freeze the action, not as a break repair. I was thinking the weld looked pretty solid.Thanks all!
Thrumcap
My recommendation for a beginner would be to sign up for an introductory class. We have a local welding supply store (General Air) that offers one-day classes at a low cost, and not only do you get a morning of classroom instruction but the afternoon is spent hands on using the equipment. I have sent a few friends over there and they all gave me positive feedback. They supply the safety gear so it is a great way to get a basic idea of what welding is all about with just a very small investment. Else possibly check on classes offered a the local junior college/technical school.
For general purpose welding I will suggest a MIG (GMAW) welder. They are great for just about everything that doesn't require either stick or TIG welding, and many of them are either dual- or multi-purpose machines that can do more than just MIG. Mine does MIG and stick. I would avoid buying a super-cheap welder though, kind of like buying super-cheap vise; you get what you pay for. I use a Miller 211 for MIG and really like it. Final recommendation is to use inert gas MIG (C25 gas which is CO2 + AR) vs. flux core (no shielding gas) MIG. Generally far less fumes and better welds.
Hope this is helpful.
joe.striper
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Has anyone ever seen a three legged vise stand with a rotating adjustment that allows a 5" vise total independent movement? I was told that the factory I'm going to on Wednesday has these stands on their 5" Athols and Parkers but I've never seen such a thing.
jakemac
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Bring you're camera. Take LOTS of pictures for us.