What is considered vintage for this section?

[C96]

Is there a specific age for the tool or equipment that puts it in this category?

I was just wondering for future use.

Maybe something like an age requirement could be added under the heading so the newer or non vintage tools and equipment don’t mistakenly get mixed in.

Just a thought,

Thanks

 

[drivesitfar]

96: i'd say pre 1970's so let's see what others say.

 

[larry_g]

I'll leave it to the collectors . I would offer up that tools out of production or tools from defunct company's would qualify. In other words most of the tools in my possession.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[beatcad]

as of now i dont think there is a hard rule.

if i had to choose i'd say pre-Woodstock(1969) but that's just me.

if you look at page one of the vintage tool box thread i think the guy that started it suggested at least 20 years old so that could put boxes in the early 90s.

i wouldnt concider the 90s "vintage"
not even the 80s, but some of the young guns might if they were kids in the 80s

maybe someone here(smarter than me) could set up a poll/vote to see what we can all agree on what is "vintage"
or at least a democratic way to decide what we or the majority of us call "vintage"

 

[woody 73]

No need for a poll vintage is anything 50 years or older from 1965 and before; 100 years or older is antique.

 

[Fretters]

96: i'd say pre 1970's so let's see what others say.

That's the type of period I'd go with as the changeover point. Another thing I usually use to denote the difference is brass versus aluminium tags. Brass tags almost always imply vintage era gear automatically, in my book.

On the point of when, as important is what. Age doesn't necessarily infer quality, whereas the word vintage does. It's on a slippery slope to define.

 

[Fretters]

No need for a poll vintage is anything 50 years or older from 1965 and before; 100 years or older is antique.

I always thought you defined antique at a lesser age over there, at around the 75 year or so mark?

 

[woody 73]

Fretters as a general rule of thumb anything fifty years or older is Vintage...

 

[beatcad]

No need for a poll vintage is anything 50 years or older from 1965 and before; 100 years or older is antique.

i'm ok w/ 50 years old.
before i said pre-Woodstock i was gonna say Pre-beatles coming to america(1964).

i dunno whats more rational. to put a date on it or put a "rolling" year limit.
aprox 30 years ago my state put a label of a "vintage" car as 20 years old. now there are 80s turds on the road w/ vintage tags.
i could tell you how/why i feel so strongly against this, but this isnt the place for that, so i wont.

50 years old-vintage?
100 years old antique?
i'm not apposed to that.

if someone asked me(no one did) i'd say "antique" is pre-war(1941)

not arguing w/ ya pal. just tossing out an idea

 

[zkling]

Fretters as a general rule of thumb anything fifty years or older is Vintage...

Can you provide a globally recognized source that states so? Vintage is yet another word that recent times has misused into a one word adjective. Technically by definition anything can be "vintage" and without a year to precede or follow it is just a random word thrown in.

 

[drivesitfar]

Beat: i agree with pre 1970's as vintage and pre WWII as antique and pre WWI as just damn old.

we'll save the arguing for the other section. ok?

ALL: I think to help Jake and some of the rest of us by maybe pulling over the Garage sale and vise thread would help. yes??

 

[woody 73]

Zkling I can not provide you with any rule heck you could pick any set of numbers like 10/90 10 years old vintage/ 90 years old antique etc.

The 50/100 is a starting point or any number you feel is better, but I have been always told to rely on the 50/100 rule.

 

[dpaton]

Hmm..antique vehicle plates in IL start at 25 years. That'd make the cutoff 1990. Ugh.

I'll vote 1975 or before at this point, with the understanding that the real cutoff is 30 years back from 'today'.

 

[woody 73]

Cars are different in the whole picture of things, not sure who came up with that formula???

Not sure about everyone else but I for one will stick with the 50/100 number, feel free to come up with your own formula.

 

[lbgradwell]

Vintage is yet another word that recent times has misused into a one word adjective.

You mean like on eBay or craigslist?

According to sellers on those sites, "vintage" means some time prior to July 2014.

 

[beatcad]

woody- i aint against 100 years old to be antique. but heres where i'm coming from.
we all dig the industrial age. when stuff was built to last.
but a lot of car and tool manufactures shut down production for the public and only produced for the war effort.
than they got back to work for us buying public.
yes this is the cliffs notes version, but y'all get what i sayin'
i could be partially wrong. i'm no history major, its just a hobby.
my point is everything in industry was done different pre 1941.
it's just an easy date to cut off.

i can see where you or others are coming from.
i dont want you to think i'm a jerk, but i think most folks will agree that a 1904,1927,and a 1933 ford is an antique.
does that fit the 100 year old catagory? not really.

oh,well. like i said. i aint no historian or authority.

we'll figure it all out

 

[Fretters]

my point is everything in industry was done different pre 1941.

That would be pre 38/39 for the rest of the world then?

 

[beatcad]

That would be pre 38/39 for the rest of the world then?

dammit! your right!

 

[Faisal]

i think anything 100 years or older is an antique. And that anything 50 years or older is vintage

but sorry to say that ,we have to agree now that any tools made in USA are vintage tools because most of manufactures they switched over to china

 

[Faisal]

Faisal, I have tried to reach you on your contact without result. I have vintage Craftsman you might like. Can you contact me?

So anyone who cares knows, I am getting old, so getting rid of most of my tools. My son was killed in a car accident, I have no one to leave them to, so rather than let them go at auction, or whatever happens when I die, I am trying to make sure they get to homes that appreciate them and want them. Overlook any indiscretions of protocol, if you can. I will be posting for sale as I feel better. Thanks.

i didn't receive any PM from you just now i PM you

check your massages pls

 

[Strouty]

If you guys want to get technical, "vintage" was totally inappropriate in this situation. If you wanted to have a 1970s vintage section you could do that, but vintage without a year is really not correct.

 

[Outlawmws]

Since tools, generally, are for cars, I'd say anything that required working with points is vintage, anything working with flatheads is antique, with very sloppy overlaps.

This approach is actually quite accurate.

"Antique" is dependent on the item. Yes the rule of thumb used to be >100. But cars hadn't been around that long in recent memory, so something like 50 or 75 was more accepted as "antique" for cars.

Carpenters tools? I stick with 100.

Power or automotive? probably the car rule above...

Furniture? definitely >100

Computers? Wow, a WAG might be any older than the first PC would be antique...

Vintage follows the same general rules, BUT many figure anything no longer in production qualifies for Vintage.

But almost EVERYBODY will bend or break any rule they disagree with.

Heck I'd call this thread reason enough to merge the two forums back, and start a Forum on something you CAN define with some clear definition...

I think the bottom line is that it is a rubber ruler...

 

[Fretters]

but vintage without a year is really not correct.

Recheck your dictionary. Prerequisite a date is not.

 

[Fretters]

Heck I'd call this thread reason enough to merge the two forums back, and start a Forum on something you CAN define with some clear definition...

Tart.

 

[Outlawmws]

Tart.

Lemme get this straight: you want a PIE forum?

 

[Fretters]

Damn it. You've got me wondering now whether that's one of those expressions which is lost in translation. I would say the other tart, but have you seen how many meanings there are for that word?

 

[Strouty]

Recheck your dictionary. Prerequisite a date is not.

Then if there is no date required, vintage means nothing except old and in decent shape. This then means that it is all in the eye of the beholder, because something old to me may not seem old to someone else.

Basically the forum should have been "19XX and older vintage tools".

If you are 65 something from your childhood may be "vintage", a 30 year old may feel the same way about something that is from the 1990s.

My point is that it is a meaningless phrase in this situation.

 

[Strouty]

Damn it. You've got me wondering now whether that's one of those expressions which is lost in translation. I would say the other tart, but have you seen how many meanings there are for that word?

Kind of like **** means nothing to us.

 

[Fretters]

Kind of like **** means nothing to us.

Aye, that type of thing. Such a simple word, but one has to be very clear on the context in conversation with that one.

 

[drivesitfar]

All: did we change the subject again with Tart and **** and how old something is?

if we all sort of agree that we need a date then a tart and a **** might actually be a good thing.

or we can have the Mods put a date in the Vintage tool heading.

some members are having a discussion in the old general tool section wanting the vintage or old tools back in that forum. they say that side will turn into the HF and Sears debate which i for one and pretty tired of hearing and reading about so hopefully this will grow.

if i want to look at a garage i'll go to the garage gallery forum. if i want to see a strange picture i'll probably ask Jim to mail one of his thousands or check out free parking. it isn't hard to move around even if you are on a phone especially for the younger crowd that have that IPhone #6 that looks awesome.

let's give it a try and stop trying to thing of ways why it won't work??

 

[Fretters]

Then if there is no date required, vintage means nothing except old and in decent shape. This then means that it is all in the eye of the beholder, because something old to me may not seem old to someone else.

Basically the forum should have been "19XX and older vintage tools".

If you are 65 something from your childhood may be "vintage", a 30 year old may feel the same way about something that is from the 1990s.

My point is that it is a meaningless phrase in this situation.

I quite agree with that in general. One of its meanings is simply old fashioned or dated though. Couple that with another of its meanings in that something is a good example of its kind, and you do have a generalisation of something with a bit of age of half decent or better quality actually falling within the bounds of those descriptions.

It's a word which is rarely used correctly these days, but the intent is recognised by most, so better just to roll with it IMHO. I tend to be a bit of a pedantic devil on occasion with regard to use of language, but even I tend to let this one slide. It's a losing battle with a word which can be interpreted in many ways.

 

[Fretters]

if we all sort of agree that we need a date, then a tart and a **** might actually be a good thing.

If you read through that sentence DIF, I think you may find that collection of words you chose to use has given that sentence a wholly unintended meaning.

 

[Strouty]

Maybe we could have a section about shagging tarts on a bonnet but use vintage spanners instead of a knob?

Heck the bonnet could even be vintage, but I like the tarts a little newer.

Did I get that right?

 

[Fretters]

Maybe we could have a section about shagging tarts on a bonnet but use vintage spanners instead of a knob?

Heck the bonnet could even be vintage, but I like the tarts a little newer.

Did I get that right?

Apart from the unnecessary k on nob, sounds right.


Edit: This must be something of a record for a complete derail. Less than two pages to get from discussing the meaning of vintage to being flirty with a floozy.

 

[C96]

Didn’t mean to throw a wrench in the works here, but you have to admit, the title for this new tool section raises the question as to what is considered “Vintage” in regards to our tools and equipment.

Without something more specific listed in the heading regarding what is to be deemed an appropriate age will leave it forever questionable and open. That said, it will be confusing for some not sure where to post a new thread and frustrating for others having to once again sift through threads of tools that are in their opinion not old enough to be considered “Vintage”.

Since it seems there is no definitive definition for the term “Vintage” regarding tools, my suggestion would be to add an appropriate age to the “Vintage” part of the title.

50 years and older would be my vote.

 

[montanafordman]

Honestly it depends on the tool. For wrenches and screwdrivers, not a lot has changed in 30 years other than notched open ends on some of the higher end stuff, some softer grips etc. Get into ratchets and toolboxes though and suddenly something from the mid 80's seems "vintage." Snap-on and Mac ratchets from the 80's would have far to coarse teeth to compete with even most import ratchets of today and if someone posts a Snap-on, Mac, or Craftsman toolbox from the 80's even it gets attention as "Vintage" so really its pretty subjective to the person and the tool. What I consider "vintage" as a 34 year old may not be the same as someone who's 75.

 

[EdT]

Does it really matter that much? I think the definition is fluid and somewhat in the eyes of the beholder. There is little value to anyone in getting into P*&^ing contest over whether something is "vintage" or not. The moderators don't need a bunch of requests to move something to another area because it's not truly vintage in someone's opinion. If you see something posted that doesn't fit your definition, you are free to ignore it and move on to something that appeals to you more. Just my humble opinion and no more valid than my opinion of what's "vintage".

 

[Craptain]

I for one don't give a damn. I have no idea the age of many of my tools. And if I consider them vintage I might post here......or not. Some stuff I definitely know is vintage and again may or may not post here. If it is worth posting I will post where I think people will find it.
Some tools simply defy age. Think of a Lincoln "Tombstone" welder for example.

 

[drivesitfar]

All: we've never had an issue about posting 80's tool boxes in the vintage tool box thread like Montana says or even that age grinder in the vintage grinder thread if it was a really well built one from that era. i had a Proto rolling toolbox that was built like a tank from 1985 that i posted and probably still would if i get another one, but there a lot of other tools that simply wouldn't make it from that era when our quality of a lot of things lessened. like others have said if it gets posted here and isn't vintage just simply ignore or let the poster know politely that he or she posted it in the wrong section.

Fretters and Strouty: now back to posts regarding tools made out of steel and let's quit messing with Old English where i'm (we are) likely to upset somebody with a mis placed word or two.

 

[pendragon1998]

I have a 1978 block grinder that I would call vintage...of course that basic design dates back to the 1960s or earlier if you consider pre-blocks.