The VISES of Garage Journal

[mike_paxton]

Was looking over the vises on CL near the Cleveland Ohio area and came across a pair of vises, with one being a Columbian and the other being an unknown maker http://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/4831440828.html

What caught my eye was the unknown maker vise, as it sported a No. 140 and the Star of David.

Sent an email off to the seller and he graciously sent additional pictures of the Star of David No. 140 and I've attached them as documentation regarding it's existence.

Knew that we had a Star of David No. 150 documented on GJ at http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235750

Just as footnote, I'm not the seller or know the seller, as my interest was to document via pictures an unknown maker.

 

[autopts]

Hello Vise Friends,

For your review is a vise that was formally a Lakeside vise (someone correct me if needed), restored into a Harley Davidson themed vise. Please see before & after pictures.

This restoration was a challenge because of the poor condition in which I received it. Although the vise worked, the jaw tops & anvil needed to be belt sanded down and I had to machine new jaw faces. Normally, I polish up the light damage because that's the vise's character.

BTW: The last 2 pictures show my "poor man's surface grinder" because I don't have ready access to a surface grinder & a spin jig to adjust the jaw face screws, and the jaw faces before attaching them to the vise.

It's up for sale with the hope that someone will buy it for a unique Father's Day gift.

Happy Trails.

Hi Mark
Another great restoration. I hope you did well with it. I stumbled across a Harley themed Morgan today on Ebay. I hope some Harley enthusiasts catch it. By the way, its not mine

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Mor...605?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f7619b25

 

[va.grouseman]

Mike_Paxton---The Star of David vise is made in Japan.---Not sure how old they are but pretty good quality for an import.---You can find examples on---page 360, post 7182,---page 607, post 12127,---page 1157, post 23131 of this thread.

 

[alan camby]

Mike_Paxton---The Star of David vise is made in Japan.---Not sure how old they are but pretty good quality for an import.---You can find examples on---page 360, post 7182,---page 607, post 12127,---page 1157, post 23131 of this thread.

I saw one in a machine shop up in Indianapolis on Monday.

 

[KMScott]

KMS.---Just looking at your parker jaws on post 24341, and was wondering how you remove the excess metal down to grade?

va, I am guessing you mean cutting the top radius of the jaws. If I have the originals to copy then I measure points along the profile and re create the arc on my computer, I use a microscope mounted in my CNC to find the points and align the cross hairs along the edge and duplicate the points in my CAD software. It is all about numbers. If I do not have a example to follow then I fake the numbers in depending on how deep the top pocket was cut so the jaws are a little proud or above the vise just a little. I then create a 3-D model of the top radius so my software can follow the arc with a round cutter called a ball endmill. First I rough the arc with .025 step downs and .05 step over settings and then for the finish cut I shorten the step over to .007 per pass. With a 1/2 inch ball mill the step overs leave a small bump or rise that can be easily smoothed down with a file or sanding disc. I hope this makes sense, much easier to do then to explain how.

 

[va.grouseman]

Wow.---You're not charging enough for C.P. jaws.---Outlaw will tell me to delete this post, but before I'm forced to, let me just say that is very labor intensive and impressive.

You can always judge an artist by the tolerances.

Thanks for explaining KMS.

 

[JasonJ]

Just because I am proud father of a 5196. I think I payed $40 or $60 plus the guy delivered it to me because he needed the money.

 

[oldldh]

Just because I am proud father of a 5196. I think I payed $40 or $60 plus the guy delivered it to me because he needed the money.

Nice vise...

And some really nice attaching hardware!!!

Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!

 

[chevychuck]

There is a craftsman 519x for sale on Craigslist in Plano Tx. for 60 bucks if anyone is interested. I see alot of guys talking about them on here jst figured I'd give a heads up

 

[Blue Frog]

OK fellows, all you who have interest in BIG vises may skip over this one - an unused 2 1/2". The pictures are taken immediately after removing it from the shipping box.























Not bad for one 30 years old. The seller told me that he had kept it on a shelf since purchasing it new.


Blue

 

[bluebolt]

Blue Frog, all I gotta say is

 

[drivesitfar]

Blue: if i didn't already own one a baby would be on my short list right next to a big 8 incher. very cool you found an older NOS. i wonder which year that Wilton finally ran out of the original Chicago in the casting of the Baby B's. I've seen some in the 70's so somewhere between there and Blue's new baby that was stamped in 1984. anybody have a good idea or a baby bullet with a date stamped in the 70's that has Schiller Park or Chigago on the side?

CC: you might want to go look at the Craftsman vise yourself because i bet you'll like it as much as any other vise you own or have seen.

 

[chevychuck]

I would If it wasn't a four hour drive and I've already bought two other vises this week.

 

[Outlawmws]

Wow.---You're not charging enough for C.P. jaws.---Outlaw will tell me to delete this post, but before I'm forced to, let me just say that is very labor intensive and impressive.

You can always judge an artist by the tolerances.

Thanks for explaining KMS.

Naw, that one is fine!

Some of the others recently...

 

[Outlawmws]

OK fellows, all you who have interest in BIG vises may skip over this one - an unused 2 1/2". The pictures are taken immediately after removing it from the shipping box.





Not bad for one 30 years old. The seller told me that he had kept it on a shelf since purchasing it new.


Blue

Un-Freaking believable!

 

[mike_paxton]

Mike_Paxton---The Star of David vise is made in Japan.---Not sure how old they are but pretty good quality for an import.---You can find examples on---page 360, post 7182,---page 607, post 12127,---page 1157, post 23131 of this thread.

Thanks for all the info and references on where the Star of David vise was made.

Did notice one difference in the Star of David between the No. 150 and the vise No. 140 for sale in Cleveland, with no "N" shown inside the Star of David on the No. 140.

 

[Mark in Indiana]

Hi Mark
Another great restoration. I hope you did well with it. I stumbled across a Harley themed Morgan today on Ebay. I hope some Harley enthusiasts catch it. By the way, its not mine

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Mor...605?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f7619b25

Autopts: Great looking vise that you showed me.
Looks like the seller pulled the vise.

 

[jrobb316]

Who was the manufacturer of the craftsman 519x vises? I know rock island made the ones before those and Columbian afterwards.

 

[Outlawmws]

Who was the manufacturer of the craftsman 519x vises? I know rock island made the ones before those and Columbian afterwards.

I think Columbian, but honestly there are features from a number of mfg's, and some that are unique... It would be nice if someone found a MFG prefix on one of these...

Reed had a couple of models in the late 30's to mid 40's. Craftsman have been found with Reed casting ID's on the nut, and placed side by side its clearly a Reed.

 

[zkling]

Who was the manufacturer of the craftsman 519x vises? I know rock island made the ones before those and Columbian afterwards.

Columbian, they carried the style (specifically grooves) over to their later pressed steel slide vises.

Reed, Rock Island, Columbian all made vises for Craftsman over the years. One more maybe :

 

[shanny19]

Okay this is a shot in the dark, but seems like the right place to ask:

Anybody with a YOST 33C willing to scan w/ a ruler the pipe jaws so I can make my own?
I'd even be happy with a tracing if you don't have a scanner.

We could work something out over PM to make it worth your time.
I don't mind buying new parts for most of my projects but $116 from Yost is just ugly.

 

[oldldh]

Okay this is a shot in the dark, but seems like the right place to ask:

Anybody with a YOST 33C willing to scan w/ a ruler the pipe jaws so I can make my own?
I'd even be happy with a tracing if you don't have a scanner.

We could work something out over PM to make it worth your time.
I don't mind buying new parts for most of my projects but $116 from Yost is just ugly.

Calling Reverend Kevin Scott----Calling Reverend Scott....

www.benchvisejaws.com

www.wiltonviseparts.net...

I don't know how much they'd be, or if Kevin has any, but he does great work...

 

[autopts]

Autopts: Great looking vise that you showed me.
Looks like the seller pulled the vise.

Mark, I think he pulled the listing to add "Harley Davidson" in his header. I believe its relisted.

 

[KMScott]

Okay this is a shot in the dark, but seems like the right place to ask:

Anybody with a YOST 33C willing to scan w/ a ruler the pipe jaws so I can make my own?
I'd even be happy with a tracing if you don't have a scanner.

We could work something out over PM to make it worth your time.
I don't mind buying new parts for most of my projects but $116 from Yost is just ugly.

Oldie, you are a good man. Just so happens I got a e-mail tonight from a person looking to sell some 34C Yost parts, I believe he mentioned he picked up at least three complete sets of pipe jaws, three complete swivel bases and a couple of Dynamic jaw supports. You might be able to cut them down to fit. PM me and I will give you his e-mail. Another note is that I am surprised that a set of three hardened pipe jaws would be to expensive at $116, but shucks I know what it takes to make them, the tool steel alone would cost $30 before working it and then sending to Heat Treat. I added a drawing of Columbian pipe jaws I made a while back that you could trace and maybe make work for you. Good luck.

 

[shanny19]

Oldie, you are a good man. Just so happens I got a e-mail tonight from a person looking to sell some 34C Yost parts, I believe he mentioned he picked up at least three complete sets of pipe jaws, three complete swivel bases and a couple of Dynamic jaw supports. You might be able to cut them down to fit. PM me and I will give you his e-mail. Another note is that I am surprised that a set of three hardened pipe jaws would be to expensive at $116, but shucks I know what it takes to make them, the tool steel alone would cost $30 before working it and then sending to Heat Treat. I added a drawing of Columbian pipe jaws I made a while back that you could trace and maybe make work for you. Good luck.

Thanks much for the input & pics!! PM coming. Yeah, I know $116 isn't that steep, but the context is that the acquisition cost for this particular project was $0.00 . I've got less than $100 in stripper, oven cleaner, wire brushes, roloc bristle discs, primer, paint, and grease invested so far. New jaws would double the price, for a pretty small return.

So as to contribute something to this awesome thread, here's a pic of the next project, an F.E. Wells & Son #1.

 

[tool_scrounge]

Okay this is a shot in the dark, but seems like the right place to ask:

Anybody with a YOST 33C willing to scan w/ a ruler the pipe jaws so I can make my own?
I'd even be happy with a tracing if you don't have a scanner.

We could work something out over PM to make it worth your time.
I don't mind buying new parts for most of my projects but $116 from Yost is just ugly.

I may be able to get you a tracing. Here is a link to a photo:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1133483&highlight=YOST+33C#post1133483

 

[sgs236]

Not my listing and too far for me to drive. Seller says it has 4-1/2" jaws which I believe is a 5197? Claims it works fine, just dirty.

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/4865878206.html

 

[econotrk]

Not my listing and too far for me to drive. Seller says it has 4-1/2" jaws which I believe is a 5197? Claims it works fine, just dirty.

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/4865878206.html

Already have arrangements to pick that one up. Pics to follow, guess there's no secrets with this vise hungry bunch.

 

[sz0k30]

There is a craftsman 519x for sale on Craigslist in Plano Tx. for 60 bucks if anyone is interested. I see alot of guys talking about them on here jst figured I'd give a heads up

There is no CL listing for "Plano, TX".

 

[chevychuck]

There is no CL listing for "Plano, TX".

I found it on east Texas craigslist and he said he was located in plano.

 

[chevychuck]

I found it on east Texas craigslist and he said he was located in plano.

I just looked its still there. Search East tx type in vise and its listed as tool garage sale

 

[bmxdad]

Worth $20?

 

[drivesitfar]

BMX: easily worth $20 and looks like a 4 inch wide jaw. it looks like it's got a straight handle on both the swivel pin and main handle so if it has all it's mounting feet and no cracks and welds it's a solid vise.

CC: i looked for your mysterious Craftsman in several areas of Texas and no luck. can you post up a link (cut and paste) to your next post? thanks

 

[BFBOB]

Worth $20?

Ummm ... is this a trick question?

 

[balane]

Here's a Columbian 504-M2 4" vise that weighs just under 40 pounds. This one took a lot of work to be nice again. The original handle was really dinged up so I made a new one for it. The old handle was 5/8" diameter and 9.5" long. The new one is 3/4" diameter and 11" long, it's a good improvement. I smoothed the anvil area as much as I dared and just made the whole thing look as nice as I could. liquid smooth action all the way in and out with good jaw alignment. This vise went through quite a before and after transformation. Every time I get one of these Columbians in I'm impressed at how well built they are. That's Verde Green Hammered enamel for the finish. Yes, like a Wilton. This will be a good vise for somebody.

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[ajp89]

OK fellows, all you who have interest in BIG vises may skip over this one - an unused 2 1/2". The pictures are taken immediately after removing it from the shipping box.























Not bad for one 30 years old. The seller told me that he had kept it on a shelf since purchasing it new.


Blue

This was around Cleveland right? I was watching it on Craigslist for a while haha should've pulled the trigger...

 

[DARK AGE 53]

How would you rate this http://mobile.craigslist.org/tls/4869124719.html , I'm thinking it's o.k but not a " you **** " deal.

 

[chevychuck]

BMX: easily worth $20 and looks like a 4 inch wide jaw. it looks like it's got a straight handle on both the swivel pin and main handle so if it has all it's mounting feet and no cracks and welds it's a solid vise.

CC: i looked for your mysterious Craftsman in several areas of Texas and no luck. can you post up a link (cut and paste) to your next post? thanks

I still had the page open on my phone so I wrote the link down and when I refreshed the page it was gone so I typed in the link and it said the listing had been removed by the owner.

 

[blkadder]

How would you rate this http://mobile.craigslist.org/tls/4869124719.html , I'm thinking it's o.k but not a " you **** " deal.

I would pick that one up just because. If it looks good in person, I would think it would be great. If you do get it, of course, you ****.

 

[DARK AGE 53]

I would pick that one up just because. If it looks good in person, I would think it would be great. If you do get it, of course, you ****.

I sent an offer of $10 cash, hope the cash part impress them.