The VISES of Garage Journal

[bluebolt]

So I bought it for $40.

It's a 1760 6" vise. Still in very nice condition. Just missing one of 2 pipe jaws. It has the numbers 121033 on it. Here she is.

For $40 and still having the finger savers I think it deserves a "U ****" LOL. Good all around vise.

For the pipe jaws search by the part # 2904200 and goggle it for best price with shipping. Cheapest I found with a quick look was here but did not figure out shipping.

http://www.centurytool.net/2904200_Wilton_Pipe_Jaws_21500_746_p/wil2904200.htm

 

[Craptain]

So I bought it for $40.

It's a 1760 6" vise. Still in very nice condition. Just missing one of 2 pipe jaws. It has the numbers 121033 on it. Here she is.

Before you go buying pipe jaws let me take a look around. I think I have a single one somewhere.

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[Eric DC5]

My Samson 5218.

I don't know much about this vise. Any info on it would be awesome.

 

[bagged89s10]

Before you go buying pipe jaws let me take a look around. I think I have a single one somewhere.

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That would be awesome. Send me a message if you do.

 

[bagged89s10]

For $40 and still having the finger savers I think it deserves a "U ****" LOL. Good all around vise.



For the pipe jaws search by the part # 2904200 and goggle it for best price with shipping. Cheapest I found with a quick look was here but did not figure out shipping.



http://www.centurytool.net/2904200_Wilton_Pipe_Jaws_21500_746_p/wil2904200.htm

Thank you. I'm happy with my purchase.

 

[zkling]

So I bought it for $40.

It's a 1760 6" vise. Still in very nice condition. Just missing one of 2 pipe jaws. It has the numbers 121033 on it. Here she is.

That should clean up nicely. Congrats.

 

[jreb10]

My patience and persistence on CL got me another vise the other day. It is a Hollands 14, 4" jaw width, fixed base vise that weighs about 45 lbs.



The seller said it came out of the basement of an old Minneapolis hotel. The price was $80 which is not a steal but old USA-made vises are thin on the ground around here. It does operate smoothly and the jaws are OK as well.

 

[bagged89s10]

My patience and persistence on CL got me another vise the other day. It is a Hollands 14, 4" jaw width, fixed base vise that weighs about 45 lbs.







The seller said it came out of the basement of an old Minneapolis hotel. The price was $80 which is not a steal but old USA-made vises are thin on the ground around here. It does operate smoothly and the jaws are OK as well.

Nice find. I stopped on my way home from work to see a guy who said he had tons of vises from $25 and up. I got there and he started digging ones similar to that one out if the snow. He dug out 3 or 4 and said more were buried. He wanted $100 each and couldn't find the cheaper ones. Maybe this is a craigslist morons worthy post.

 

[Garageguy54]

Exmaxima1
Thank you I'm proud of the collection.I have the rock island 574 and the vise jaws are actually 4 1/2 inches, you are correct. I was trying to remember of the top of my head, guess I'm rusty. The wilton is stamped "guar exp" 6-30-64 steve

 

[jreb10]

Last night I got "Vise" lucky. I was checking CL for about the fifth time that day and lo and behold, I see an ad for a Wilton Baby Bullet for $40. I look up at the top of the ad and see that it has been posted for 26 minutes. I call the phone number and get in touch with the owner, telling him I can be there in 30 minutes with the cash.

When I arrive he says "You're the lucky one. I had 5 more calls after we spoke. I had to take down the ad to make them stop." That is the way it is around here. If you snooze you lose.

I always wanted one of these but never thought I would find one cheap. Here it is, slide date stamped 11 30 60:






I will post the info and photos again on the Date Stamping thread.

 

[va.grouseman]

Eric DC5[/B];4705768]My Samson 5218.

I don't know much about this vise. Any info on it would be awesome.
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Eric DC5,---Here is some posts you can check out.---Might help.


Page, 299,---post, 5978

page, 395,---post, 7882, and 7883

page, 879,---post 17580, although Schony has taken down the pics.

 

[Outlawmws]

Yeah, those Coltons caught my eye too. So far I have 8 of 'em, in all five sizes I'm aware of. There seem to be more coming on the market as folks like us keep paying "too much" for them. I came across one interesting variant - has the stud-through-bench mounting scheme, with the head of the stud sliding into a dovetail on the bottom of the vise. Naturally, the stud and wingnut are missing.

Calling Outlaw... you have some Coltons- any spare studs/wingnuts?

Sorry, I have the vises but no spare parts.

 

[va.grouseman]

Jreb10,---Don't you feel shame .---That's not a deal, that's grand theft sir. .

 

[Outlawmws]

Bagged, Mark was replying to a different post. I think you need to stop thinking, and go buy the Mother!

EDIT: Ha Ha! old news!

This thread moves to dang fast... What three pages since last night?

 

[topop101]

That's wild. Are there any other problems besides the missing corner? It may just have gotten bumped. You can match a piece of cast or even mild steel and weld or braze it in to fill the void. The chances of that section seeing load in use is very, very small unless you plan on using it at max opening all the time.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately not. The dynamic jaw also has had the hardened insert welded back on. If I get it cleaned up and don't like it I may talk to my machinist buddy and see if he can make me a set of 7" parker style jaws for it.

 

[jreb10]

Jreb10,---Don't you feel shame .---That's not a deal, that's grand theft sir. .

Well, yes, just a little bit.

OTOH, if I had a nickel for every time I searched CL and came up MT ...

 

[bagged89s10]

Bagged, Mark was replying to a different post. I think you need to stop thinking, and go buy the Mother!

EDIT: Ha Ha! old news!

This thread moves to dang fast... What three pages since last night?

This must be the fastest moving thread on GJ!

 

[Eric DC5]

Eric DC5,---Here is some posts you can check our.---Might help.


Page, 299,---post, 5978

page, 395,---post, 7882, and 7883

page, 879,---post 17580, although Schony has taken down the pics.

VA- thanks for pointing me in the right direction in this thread. Very cool stuff.

Seeing the rest of these awesome vises makes me want another one!

 

[bagged89s10]

So I couldn't help myself and had to wire wheel my wilton 1760 it last night.




Date shows 6/1993

Looks like the spindle might have been welded. I hope it's a strong weld


I have to straighten these. What's the preferred method without damaging them?

 

[bagged89s10]

I'm probably not going to take the rest of the internals apart because it's in good shape. I'll just oil and grease it up and put it together.

 

[jpickar]

The weld shouldn't hurt the the function of the vise. I like the looks of he vise "in the raw" !

John

 

[drivesitfar]

GarageGuy: can you post your pre 1970's Wiltons slides and vise pictures on this thread where we are trying to figure out Wilton's date stamping system? nice collection BTW and welcome to the forum.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269079

Zoomie: is there any chance you can go in the sea of Tetnus and take a few pictures of your old Wilton slides and vises for that thread because we still need more data? thanks

ALL: so for those of us that have several vises that all have different foot prints there are many suggestions of how to store and mount them on your bench or stands. here is the link and if you want to just put a new piece of steel plate on your bench over the old holes here's a nice example.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252799

 

[Trey T]

Why do people use steel plate under a bench vise? prevent imprint or cracking of wood?

 

[FMC1959]

That looks to be a 1760, 6" vise. I don't think Wilton ever had their 1780 made abroad. The 1740, 1750, 1760's were the "no name" vise once their sticker fell off. There are some USA made 1760's out there and I've seen a couple of 1750's, USA stamped but not many. I believe the 1760 was being made in China when Wilton pulled the plug on Chinese production and the remainder of 1760's were made here until Wilton revamped the line going with the 1/2" sizes 1745, 1755,1765, I found the later made 1750's & 60's made abroad to be damm nice vises.
update I did not see the previous post.

Autopts, I remember having read, possibly from you, Balane or someone else on this thread that the 1740/50/60's made in China had the pipe jaws cast into the jaw tower, not removable. Any that had removable jaws, such as bagged89s10 1760, were made in the US.

 

[drivesitfar]

FMC: I also remember that conversation. i think Balane also said something about the underside of the swivel base being open on the imported ones.

Bagged: yours looks like a US made one and that's the same vise I sold A E Neuman a few weeks ago and his was a Snap on. he painted it red and posted it in the Vise Repair 101 thread for you to see. he also did some very nice work changing out the vise nut holding pins so he can now unscrew them to clean and maintain his vise. yours looks like it might have been sold with a Wilton sticker on it, but it's the same vise as the Snap on one they sold.

AE: did you ever get a Snap on sticker for your bullet vise or do you still need one? also did you ever post pictures here on this thread because you know how we like pictures?

Trey: the plate is to cover up old holes or if you are mounting a vise onto a butcher block bench it helps keep the butcher block from splitting. i'm sure there are a few other reasons, but those are the main ones.

 

[firemanast]

Bought this old Craftsman this morning. It is a 4 1/2 " and it is in great shape.

 

[bagged89s10]

FMC: I also remember that conversation. i think Balane also said something about the underside of the swivel base being open on the imported ones.



Bagged: yours looks like a US made one and that's the same vise I sold A E Neuman a few weeks ago and his was a Snap on. he painted it red and posted it in the Vise Repair 101 thread for you to see. he also did some very nice work changing out the vise nut holding pins so he can now unscrew them to clean and maintain his vise. yours looks like it might have been sold with a Wilton sticker on it, but it's the same vise as the Snap on one they sold.



AE: did you ever get a Snap on sticker for your bullet vise or do you still need one? also did you ever post pictures here on this thread because you know how we like pictures?



Trey: the plate is to cover up old holes or if you are mounting a vise onto a butcher block bench it helps keep the butcher block from splitting. i'm sure there are a few other reasons, but those are the main ones.

Yea definitely a rebadged wilton but there was blue paint under so I don't know if it was a snap on. The guy I bought it from said it was from brown and sharp.
Anyone know if Wilton made vises for any other companies?

Is 11 gauge or 1/8" steel good thickness to I use to mount my vise on a butcher block? I just have a bunch of it sitting in my garage and thinking of cutting it for above and under the butcher block.

 

[balane]

Here's one about to go into the oven. I'll post some finished photos later. Crazy looking color, eh? I have to say, as far as bullet clones go, Taskmaster made a pretty solid vise. There's nothing here which doesn't impress me, particularly with the action. It's a 6" model and I haven't weighed it yet but it's pushing 70 Lbs. I believe.

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[drivesitfar]

Bagged: not sure I've ever heard a Wilton made for Brown and Sharp, but I've seen them with a few stickers on them like John Deere, Snap On, Balkamp and several other big companies. The Red one is AE Neuman's restored Snap on Wilton tradesman 1760 which is a very nice vise.

 

[bagged89s10]

Yea definitely a rebadged wilton but there was blue paint under so I don't know if it was a snap on. The guy I bought it from said it was from brown and sharp.
Anyone know if Wilton made vises for any other companies?

Is 11 gauge or 1/8" steel good thickness to I use to mount my vise on a butcher block? I just have a bunch of it sitting in my garage and thinking of cutting it for above and under the butcher block.

This is where I want to mount it.



What's annoying is that he static jaw will only be flush with the front of the bench and not the right side, or vise versa.

 

[drivesitfar]

Bagged: do you have a piece of 3/8 or 1/2 inch plate? those feet should turn to make your vise work from both sides and if the bolts are running into the edge of your cabinet then just bold the vise to the plate and mount the plate as you can to avoid the cabinet. i hope that makes sense or maybe someone else can explain it better.

 

[bagged89s10]

The weld shouldn't hurt the the function of the vise. I like the looks of he vise "in the raw" !



John

Thank you.
I think I'm going to keep the raw look. My garage stays pretty dry because my bare steel chassis hasn't rusted yet. I just have to decide what oil or other product to coat it with.

 

[BFBOB]

Seeking info on the Colton patent (June 16, 1885) vises. I just like the round slide, shielded screw design - kind of a po' boy's Wilton Bullet. If anyone has old patent drawings, catalog pix and the like, I'd sure like to see them. The US Patent Office only has one page of drawings, which oddly enough do not show the most common style, the clamp-on. They do, however, show a swiveling dynamic jaw, which I have never seen.
I've just gotten one of these that is secured by a (probably) square head bolt that fits into a T-slot in the bottom of the vise, through the workbench and is secured by a wingnut. Bolt and wingnut are, of course, missing. I'd like to make replicas of them and any base that may have been part of it, but no such devices show in the drawings or pictures I've found. Practical Machinist had one more page of drawings than the Patent Office (!) but still no joy.
Any/all help will be much appreciated!

 

[va.grouseman]

Why do people use steel plate under a bench vise? prevent imprint or cracking of wood?

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Trey T.---For my part my whole bench is covered with 3/8 plate over 4, 10'' bridge timbers, so with the plate, which is bolted to the timbers, I get the strength of all 4 timbers and if I just had it bolted through the first timber with no plate, I could possibly split that timber or rip it loose.---I sometimes put some real prying on my old beater.---plus when I need to do some beating on something, I use the plate cover and never have to beat on my vise.---It's not really my beater, it's my third hand.

 

[Jeep51]

I know this isn't a standard style vise but for some reason I draw to this style! I know they are "pipe vises" but that is all I know. Does anyone out there collect them? This is my second one I've purchased. The other one is about half this size. What kind of value would you put on it?

 

[va.grouseman]

BFBOB.---Check out page 554,----post, 11078.---Outlaw is the man for Colton info.

 

[p3nnypacker]

new to this thread! got given this today to replace my cheap junk quality vise. needs cleaning and lubricating and also need to have a look at it as seems the jaws dont open wide enough

 

[CwazyWabbit]

I know this isn't a standard style vise but for some reason I draw to this style! I know they are "pipe vises" but that is all I know. Does anyone out there collect them? This is my second one I've purchased. The other one is about half this size. What kind of value would you put on it?

Being a No4 I take it that can take a 4 inch pipe? In my old tool catalogue from the 30's they show a No 12 available that could hold a 12" pipe.... bet that was a beast.

With regards to value over here in the UK you only tend to see the smaller ones come up for sale and they can reach about 20 pound in price.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

new to this thread! got given this today to replace my cheap junk quality vise. needs cleaning and lubricating and also need to have a look at it as seems the jaws dont open wide enough
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They should open to 5 3/4" (restricted opening is most likely rust or a hammer mark on the rear part of the slide)

That's a top quality vice and was guaranteed unbreakable when sold. The modern version of it the T8434 is a pricey beast.

You've done well there

 

[topop101]

I know this isn't a standard style vise but for some reason I draw to this style! I know they are "pipe vises" but that is all I know. Does anyone out there collect them? This is my second one I've purchased. The other one is about half this size. What kind of value would you put on it?

Around my part of the country they can go from 5.00 to 45.00. Reed's bring the most. Greenfields next , Ridgid's are common . Like any thing size and condition matter. I'm not sure on the brand you have but it's clean and all original hardware so could draw top price