The VISES of Garage Journal

[Outlawmws]

I'd pass...

 

[Blue Frog]

I'd pass...

I trust your judgement - will do!

 

[Craptain]

Gentlemen,

I've searched and find nothing on this vise by Wilton. Seller on local C/L says it has 6 1/2" jaws but the model number shows 655. Seller wants $85.00.

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There are a few clues that it is not American. Look at the handle and swivel nuts. There is rusted chrome there. To my knowledge there are no american vises, let alone american Wilton's that use chrome anywhere. Also I cannot believe that it is a 6 1/2" vise. Even Wilton only claimed 5 1/2" for the 655.

In short it is not worth $85. Wait for a "Real" Wilton if you want Wilton or just any good American Iron if you just want a vise to use.

 

[drivesitfar]

**: nice looking Record and glad the vise therapy worked.

Stevo: my Wilton C2 that is also a 1978 has the clip on the back of the jaws and no pins. here's a few pictures of my C2 and an exploded view of your C1 with the 2 types of C1's pipe jaws. I think there is one more type of pipe jaws for the Wilton C series vises that is a set screw, but i couldn't find a picture of one handy.

Blue: it looks like a fairly common inexpensive Wilton. nothing special, but it would do most any job in the shop.

 

[Blue Frog]

There are a few clues that it is not American. Look at the handle and swivel nuts. There is rusted chrome there. To my knowledge there are no American vises, let alone American Wilton's that use chrome anywhere.

I've had that same opinion also, thanks to the members of GJ, but this also is pictured on the ad.

I don't need this vise as I have an excellent C1, a 3" Bullet, and a 2 1/2" Bullet NOS. I just saw some disparities that made me question this vise.


Blue

 

[Steevo]

**: nice looking Record and glad the vise therapy worked.

Stevo: my Wilton C2 that is also a 1978 has the clip on the back of the jaws and no pins. here's a few pictures of my C2 and an exploded view of your C1 with the 2 types of C1's pipe jaws. I think there is one more type of pipe jaws for the Wilton C series vises that is a set screw, but i couldn't find a picture of one handy.

Blue: it looks like a fairly common inexpensive Wilton. nothing special, but it would do most any job in the shop.

Thanks drivesitfar (and 454ragtop) for the info on the pipe jaws.
That should be very helpful.

 

[dave89iroc]

Re: My first large Wilton Vise

This week, I won an auction bid on a Wilton C1, 4-1/2" swivel combination vise.
At first, I only bid $40, via the online site, then after going down to the auction place and previewing things, I upped my bid to a maximum of $98.
I was cruising along with a bid of $65 winning right up until the last minute, when someone slid in with a bid of $95.50, which triggered my max bid of $98, so I ended up paying that much for it.

It was crusty looking, but it is basically all stuck on grunge, kind of like asphalt/sand or some similar accumulation.

The replaceable jaws are pretty chewed up, but the physical jaws themselves, as well as the screw, nut, swivel base, etc. are in pretty good condition.

I took it apart today:

And from the slide guide numbers, it looks like an August, 1978 vise.

I cleaned up all the parts in the parts washer, and bead blasted the swivel base and end cone parts:

And I started trying to get the jaws off.
So far, I have managed to remove one of the removeable jaw screws, and am beating on, heating, and soaking the other three:

Hopefully, I'll get the other three out without too much voodoo or collateral damage, and then I can prep the vise body and dynamic jaw for painting, while I order some new jaw inserts for it.

Oh, and does someone here know how to get the pipe jaws out?
Maybe when I bead blast the big parts, a pin will be obvious, but right now, I don't see anything.

Iirc, there is a pin from the side that holds the pipe jaw

 

[va.grouseman]

Suppose A_Pmech or KMScott or someone has tooled up and begun making replacement pipe jaws for Shop Kings? To be authentic, of course, they'd need to be cast iron, not machined. Missing a pair on my 3 1/2", just wondering. I got it cheap at an estate sale, and had to talk them into selling it without the POS workbench it was bolted to. Fortunately, the bench was Craftsman and therefor far more valuable than the vise.

I could kick myself for not spending a few minutes searching for the jaws, but wanted to git while the gittin' was good.
They're so frequently lost you'd think there would be plenty just lying around.

Anyone have some spares, let me know.

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BFBOB,---Those cast pipe jaws were easily lost or misplaced since most just sat on the screw and were set aside when not needed.---you probably wouldn't have found them if you had of looked.---Even vises with the ones that were pined and set-screwed in were taken off and misplaced.---Cast pipe jaws are more for a selling point than working tools anyway.---They are just not hard enough to grip with out bradding out.---But if you are like me you want them back to original.---I have bought several sets off E-bay over the years.---They are not usually too high.---Here's a set but they are a little higher than I have paid in the past.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-BEN...584?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item339e937380

Put them on your followed searches and be patient.---They come up right often.

 

[dave89iroc]

Is there a relatively inexpensive source for wilton jaw inserts? I need some 4 1/2s

 

[zkling]

What style are you looking for? Very easy to make a smooth set out of aluminum, brass, copper, steel.

 

[trijeff]

danstead: Yes!! That is the one A photo of it would be great too if you have the chance.

Also, can you confirm if the nut pin screw is the same size/tpi (I already know it is longer) ... thinking they used the same for both

Thanks again for your help, you know right when I get replacements the originals will pop up

PS pm me if you want to know info on a needle thrust bearing stack I installed, the smoothest one finger affair that one can imagine

 

[Zippercat]

Are saw sharpening vises very rare? This one is for sale near me:

He's asking $45.

 

[Outlawmws]

That one looks like a small one, and I generally can find those at yard/estate sales for maybe $5...

 

[Craptain]

Not rare but most are not looking for them. I bought mine to use and paid a little less. About $25 if i recall correctly.
That one is identical to mine.

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[KMScott]

Been focusing on Parker collars this last week and have found that even the collars need to be fit like the jaws. I can not understand why the jaws and collars could not have been made more standard, damn engineers anyway. I have several Parkers and every one is different. I have a few customers that wanted me to make them a collar so that got me going but they will have to custom fit them to their vise. Out of four Parkers I have that needed collars two needed minor machining for final fit, one only needed a file taken to it but the 954-1/2 will have to go on the milling machine and get some major adjusting along with a new wear plate to take up the difference. The picture of the 954-1/2 shows a large gap and a short step. I made the collars with a longer ears for adjusting purposes.

Thanks to btrnuthatch for supplying me a couple of his Bronze castings for my 272 as a pattern. My 272 needed about a 1/16 removed from the ears and a good filing to flatten the casting.

My 956 collar was in great shape but at the factory they did not flatten the surface where the two bolts clamp the collar to the casting, instead they added a radius to the inside of the collar to match the Dynamic jaw support, it almost looks like they casted it that way.

The machining **** I added is making the larger collars for the 6" vises.

Once I get going on something I like to finish all the sizes, I might be bugging VA and GETRIDAONE since I remember they had a few more Parkers then I have. I have three figured out but feel I am still two more, one for the 3" and the big 8". I have one newer Parker with a thin flat plate as it's collar, the 973-1/2B. Kind of flimsy in the collar design. I'll want to improve it when I get to that one.

 

[classicJackets]

Interesting shop made vise for sale pretty close to me for $40
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/tls/4949332891.html

 

[balane]

Kevin, incredible photos. I love it when you post your work.

Parkers, a hell of a lot of trouble and I bet a lot more of them would be in the scrap heap if they weren't worth all the effort. They probably went under from all the unnecessary size differences and fine tuning needed to build their vises. Seems wasteful.

 

[oldldh]

Nice work Reverend Scott...

I wonder if there was a problem with the casting molds at Parker...not the same,,,different in some ways, that would be "fixed" on final assembly...

Just a thought...

 

[Rusty Musket]

Once I get going on something I like to finish all the sizes, I might be bugging VA and GETRIDAONE since I remember they had a few more Parkers then I have. I have three figured out but feel I am still two more, one for the 3" and the big 8". I have one newer Parker with a thin flat plate as it's collar, the 973-1/2B. Kind of flimsy in the collar design. I'll want to improve it when I get to that one.

Kevin, I have a few parkers including a #104, #995 and my 8" #978. They all have good collars and you're welcome to borrow them if you would like.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Interesting shop made vise for sale pretty close to me for $40
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/tls/4949332891.html

It looks very similar to a Record Leader 14P but not exactly the same, perhaps they changed the design a little?

If it were a Record Leader they are rare as they only made them for a relatively short period of time, one sold on ebay in the uk for 200 gbp the other day.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141599047135

 

[bagged89s10]

Been focusing on Parker collars this last week and have found that even the collars need to be fit like the jaws. I can not understand why the jaws and collars could not have been made more standard, damn engineers anyway. I have several Parkers and every one is different. I have a few customers that wanted me to make them a collar so that got me going but they will have to custom fit them to their vise. Out of four Parkers I have that needed collars two needed minor machining for final fit, one only needed a file taken to it but the 954-1/2 will have to go on the milling machine and get some major adjusting along with a new wear plate to take up the difference. The picture of the 954-1/2 shows a large gap and a short step. I made the collars with a longer ears for adjusting purposes.



Thanks to btrnuthatch for supplying me a couple of his Bronze castings for my 272 as a pattern. My 272 needed about a 1/16 removed from the ears and a good filing to flatten the casting.



My 956 collar was in great shape but at the factory they did not flatten the surface where the two bolts clamp the collar to the casting, instead they added a radius to the inside of the collar to match the Dynamic jaw support, it almost looks like they casted it that way.



The machining **** I added is making the larger collars for the 6" vises.



Once I get going on something I like to finish all the sizes, I might be bugging VA and GETRIDAONE since I remember they had a few more Parkers then I have. I have three figured out but feel I am still two more, one for the 3" and the big 8". I have one newer Parker with a thin flat plate as it's collar, the 973-1/2B. Kind of flimsy in the collar design. I'll want to improve it when I get to that one.

Machining **** at its finest! nice work!


~Veeps

 

[rumb]

Got new HEUER FRONT 120 vise from eBay, only 149€ with UPS delivery!!!

It has some play, but it's a very good vise.

https://plus.google.com/photos/103814781691945290090/albums/6130497770242528001

 

[CwazyWabbit]

rumb: You can adjust the vice to remove that play you have. Have a look at page 13 of this document http://www.schraubstock.de/uploads/media/Montageanleitung_2015_web.pdf

 

[vintage nut]

Those saw vises are pretty common. I have a couple of stanley ones. He also has the wrong kind of saw in it, those ones are for sharpening carpenters handsaws. For those bucksaws, you usually make a wooden vise (couple boards screwed together) as long as the saw. I think I paid 20 bucks for one, and 2 for the other. The $20 one was in basically perfect condition though. And with woodworking stuff even though stanley is generally very common, its also usually more valuable because of its collectibility. That doesn't look like a stanley to me, and combined with that price, id pass

you can never have too many tools

 

[joe.striper]

Been focusing on Parker collars this last week and have found that even the collars need to be fit like the jaws. I can not understand why the jaws and collars could not have been made more standard, damn engineers anyway. I have several Parkers and every one is different. I have a few customers that wanted me to make them a collar so that got me going but they will have to custom fit them to their vise. Out of four Parkers I have that needed collars two needed minor machining for final fit, one only needed a file taken to it but the 954-1/2 will have to go on the milling machine and get some major adjusting along with a new wear plate to take up the difference. The picture of the 954-1/2 shows a large gap and a short step. I made the collars with a longer ears for adjusting purposes.

Thanks to btrnuthatch for supplying me a couple of his Bronze castings for my 272 as a pattern. My 272 needed about a 1/16 removed from the ears and a good filing to flatten the casting.

My 956 collar was in great shape but at the factory they did not flatten the surface where the two bolts clamp the collar to the casting, instead they added a radius to the inside of the collar to match the Dynamic jaw support, it almost looks like they casted it that way.

The machining **** I added is making the larger collars for the 6" vises.

Once I get going on something I like to finish all the sizes, I might be bugging VA and GETRIDAONE since I remember they had a few more Parkers then I have. I have three figured out but feel I am still two more, one for the 3" and the big 8". I have one newer Parker with a thin flat plate as it's collar, the 973-1/2B. Kind of flimsy in the collar design. I'll want to improve it when I get to that one.

Kevin, I acquired some Parker parts recently and I will send you some (2 sets) for Parker 18, 19, and 20s. Bases, base plates and collars, for your inventory. Just a Thank you for all you do for the board.

 

[joe.striper]

I know more than a few of you are looking for Reed 4 footed bases. Today I was photographing my new Reed 404 1/2 for my database when I noticed it had 4 feet! More importantly, I noticed that the base was marked '2C'. So can I assume that a Reed 2C base will fit other 4" reed swivelers? You all probably already knew this but I thought I'd pass it along anyway.

Man is this Reed CLEAN.

 

[exmaxima1]

Today I was photographing my new Reed 404 1/2 for my database when I noticed it had 4 feet! More importantly, I noticed that the base was marked '2C'. So can I assume that a Reed 2C base will fit other 4" reed swivelers?

I have a Reed 204 1/2 at home, and I don't think the base fits like yours. I recall the top of the base being flush with the bottom of the vise.

 

[rumb]

rumb: You can adjust the vice to remove that play you have. Have a look at page 13 of this document http://www.schraubstock.de/uploads/media/Montageanleitung_2015_web.pdf

No I Can't! I read all info about removing play in HEUER Front vise and watched video about maintenance, It's best, what I can achieve without grabbing. I tried lubricate, tried even polish sides with 1000 sandpaper. It's just made with some tolerances. You can see, how welded nut cover

 

[rtvinc]

HEADS UP!! someone just put up a Miller dynasty 200DX for $696 on Detroit Craigslist

I figure someone here would be interested..(i already have one)

 

[Lu-Max]

Here's an odd one, looks complete though:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/tls/4947701496.html

 

[bagged89s10]

So my buyer actually came thru and bought my Wilton 1760 for $300.
On to the next one I guess.
Anyone know what this one might be. I'm going to see it later today but this is the only picture he had of it until he gets home from work.



~Veeps

 

[Mark in Indiana]

Here's an odd one, looks complete though:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/tls/4947701496.html

I wish I were closer. I would love to get the accessories.

 

[WhoWhatNow]

So my buyer actually came thru and bought my Wilton 1760 for $300.
On to the next one I guess.
Anyone know what this one might be. I'm going to see it later today but this is the only picture he had of it until he gets home from work.



~Veeps

It is an old Parker hunchback combination vise.

 

[KMScott]

Kevin, I acquired some Parker parts recently and I will send you some (2 sets) for Parker 18, 19, and 20s. Bases, base plates and collars, for your inventory. Just a Thank you for all you do for the board.

Thanks Joe, I do not care what everyone else says, you are OK in my book. I owe ya some more handles.

 

[sdavis622]

So my buyer actually came thru and bought my Wilton 1760 for $300.
On to the next one I guess.
Anyone know what this one might be. I'm going to see it later today but this is the only picture he had of it until he gets home from work.



~Veeps

Sometimes those sales hurt. You're getting good money but hate to see it go! Like you said, on to the next one.

 

[Lu-Max]

I wish I were closer. I would love to get the accessories.

I'd volunteer to pick it up for you, but that would be quite a long drive for me.

 

[BJ42LX]

No I Can't! I read all info about removing play in HEUER Front vise and watched video about maintenance, It's best, what I can achieve without grabbing. I tried lubricate, tried even polish sides with 1000 sandpaper. It's just made with some tolerances. You can see, how welded nut cover

Watch this video. It's from the manual referenced above by CwazyWabbit.

Hmmm. I may have to get me a Heuer...

 

[wrenchguy]

So my buyer actually came thru and bought my Wilton 1760 for $300.
On to the next one I guess.
Anyone know what this one might be. I'm going to see it later today but this is the only picture he had of it until he gets home from work.



~Veeps

oswego tool combination, 1 of the few with both jaw inserts and maybe not to damaged jaw towers. good luck.

 

[bagged89s10]

It is an old Parker hunchback combination vise.

It does look like one of them on http://scuttle.dayid.org/wiki/index.php/Charles_Parker_Vise

Thanks Joe, I do not care what everyone else says, you are OK in my book. I owe ya some more handles.

+1 on Joe being s good guy. I have to come check out your collection one of these days Joe.

Sometimes those sales hurt. You're getting good money but hate to see it go! Like you said, on to the next one.

Yea I wouldn't have sold it but the offer kind of fell into my hands. Plus I have a nicer Wilton 9-500. I also have an Athol 623 and hopefully the vise I'm looking at later today.

oswego tool combination, 1 of the few with both jaw inserts and maybe not to damaged jaw towers. good luck.

Hopefully it's nice if its an Oswego or a Parker. Would be a perfect replacement for my import wilton combination vise sold to my buddy. Can't wait for this work day and sales meetings to be over!


~Veeps

 

[zkling]

Did you CT boys see this?
http://newlondon.craigslist.org/tls/4938968347.html