Trey T
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firemanast
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Just picked up this 6 inch beast this morning in Tulsa, OK. The date stamp is 6-75.
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trijeff
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Hi Drives: been keeping busy with the happy wife happy life projects and didn't do anything vise related this weekend except pull out the 98 on Friday afternoon for a few pics (working with the Rev KMS on a few upgrades - for sure jaws and likely a new lead screw retainer/thrust bearing assy). I can't quite promise the Mr. Texas chrome-looking Craftsman/Columbian treatment, but I am going to clean this one up quite a bit - it will take forever and I will have Hercules arms by the time I am done, but I'm finding it's something that I really enjoy doing.
Actually, that's what's going on with the Reed 104.5 right now - largely finished but you may have seen last week where I posted my rookie move of putting the set screws someplace special so I wouldn't forget them and of course can't remember now. So, been working with a few members on measurements and possible replacements from damaged units. I have vowed to get no additional vises until at least the Reed is finished
ALL: Has anyone EVER seen a Prentiss 98 in an ad or catalog? Me and a few other members haven't been able to find it anywhere - it is a Heavy Chipping Vise made in the Bull ********* ... we have found the 5X (stationary base) series all the way up to the largest, the 58, but have only seen up to a 97 in the 9X (swivel base) series. I know all the specs except exact weight (very close to 320#) but it would just be nice to see this somewhere in print.
bagged89s10
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Just picked up this 6 inch beast this morning in Tulsa, OK. The date stamp is 6-75.
Beast says it all. How much did you get it for?
~Veeps
bagged89s10
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Good research. Here's a Hollands Keystone for sale in NY for $30
http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/4917771047.html
That one has been for sale for months, somebody in the area give it a new home.
I guess Balane will have to decide what his new vise will be named ? He has probably been up all night finishing it and waiting for proper lighting to get the stump pictures done
I was going to try to go get it this week but I bought a lathe instead. I need to sell some stuff before I purchase another vise. Unless it's a killer deal on a parker swivel.
~Veeps
loudog212
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Work in progress. Pieces got a bath and a bit of scrubbing. Little more cleaning, primer and some paint and then i'm calling it done. Paid $20 for it. If CL gets me double i'll be happy. I enjoy these projects.
bagged89s10
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Work in progress. Pieces got a bath and a bit of scrubbing. Little more cleaning, primer and some paint and then i'm calling it done. Paid $20 for it. If CL gets me double i'll be happy. I enjoy these projects.
What does that emert weight? I read somewhere that emerts are valued higher than Parkers and Wiltons. I don't know if that's true or not. Anyone know?
~Veeps
loudog212
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I just weighed it. Came in at 42 pounds
loudog212
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I would love to know where you read that. Since i got the vise last week i haven't been able to find anything other than the 3 posts that comes back here to GJ. It appears that Emmerts are rare. I am located in PA about 2 hours from Waynesboro, so maybe they didn't make it very far through the country.
Wow, that thing was destroyed. Looks like the slide has been welded at the half way mark. $40 I think is beyond dreaming unless you do a lot of work to it, and then you have to wonder if all that work is worth the $20. Are you going to drill another hole in the base for mounting purposes?
FMC1959
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Real nice vise and great deal for new + guided tour, I would have been in for that.
Hi Drives: been keeping busy with the happy wife happy life projects and didn't do anything vise related this weekend except pull out the 98 on Friday afternoon for a few pics (working with the Rev KMS on a few upgrades - for sure jaws and likely a new lead screw retainer/thrust bearing assy). I can't quite promise the Mr. Texas chrome-looking Craftsman/Columbian treatment, but I am going to clean this one up quite a bit - it will take forever and I will have Hercules arms by the time I am done, but I'm finding it's something that I really enjoy doing.
Actually, that's what's going on with the Reed 104.5 right now - largely finished but you may have seen last week where I posted my rookie move of putting the set screws someplace special so I wouldn't forget them and of course can't remember now. So, been working with a few members on measurements and possible replacements from damaged units. I have vowed to get no additional vises until at least the Reed is finished
ALL: Has anyone EVER seen a Prentiss 98 in an ad or catalog? Me and a few other members haven't been able to find it anywhere - it is a Heavy Chipping Vise made in the Bull ********* ... we have found the 5X (stationary base) series all the way up to the largest, the 58, but have only seen up to a 97 in the 9X (swivel base) series. I know all the specs except exact weight (very close to 320#) but it would just be nice to see this somewhere in print.
I have not seen an ad for a 98, but you have a great looking vise there, great shape; not even the classic Prentiss slide crack
The WW vise definitely command top dollar, but the few tigers I have seen usually go for similar jaw sized Reed's, Parker's...etc.
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wrenchguy
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nope not yet, this was also brought up when the other 98 sold. good luck with ur projects.
va.grouseman
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Would yaw slow this thread down.---I'm still taking remedial reading classes.---I'm up to fifth grade level, but I just can't keep up.---This thread is just pulling away from me.---I'm sorry Mr. Bush, but there is going to be one child left behind.
ShadowRuleZ
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Just got a Reed stationary 3.5" off CL for $25, pics eventually.
zoomieport
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Were any of yaw watching the little generic Wilton on E-bay last night.---I through in a bid and figured I'd way over bid.---The final made mine look like tip money.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-Of-2-Vi...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
That one got my attention too.
It looks plated (nickel?) to me. What do you think?
Never seen another one like it, that I recall.
Interesting...
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Nuts
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That one got my attention too.
It looks plated (nickle?) to me. What do you think?
Never seen another one like it, that I recall.
Interesting...
There was a small jewelers anvil that matched it, that sold a few days earlier.
It too had been nickel plated.
Nuts
zoomieport
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The anvils seem to be somewhat common...
joe.striper
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Managed to scrounge this today, picking it up on Wednesday morning. Seller seems a tad flaky (but I did get a commitment from him) so will post more after I successfully pick it up. 8" Colombian, he says it weighs about 250#s. Hoping no one buys it out from under me before then.
Quick question: Does anyone know if I can simply remove the dynamic jaw by unscrewing it all the way or is there more to it than that? It would simplify bringing it home greatly if it does.
Quick question: Does anyone know if I can simply remove the dynamic jaw by unscrewing it all the way or is there more to it than that? It would simplify bringing it home greatly if it does.
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jakemac
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Yes, you should be able to remove the dynamic jaw by unscrewing it all the way out. But it will help if you can support it as it extends. Bring a short block of 4x4 wood to rest the extended jaw on. It will help keep the vice from tipping forward from the weight, and will support the jaw to keep it from binding.
454ragtop
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Managed to scrounge this today, picking it up on Wednesday morning. Seller seems a tad flaky (but I did get a commitment from him) so will post more after I successfully pick it up. 8" Colombian, he says it weighs about 250#s. Hoping no one buys it out from under me before then.
Quick question: Does anyone know if I can simply remove the dynamic jaw by unscrewing it all the way or is there more to it than that? It would simplify bringing it home greatly if it does.
Can't think of any reason the slide wouldn't come out, although I have no direct experience with that model, unfortunately for me.
Looks like a fresh Krylon rebuild on that vise, and poorly at that, will need a very careful inspection.
Good luck, Jim
topop101
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Nice flipper, try to beat 20 off or trade for it. No idea the size without the numbers on the other side
drivesitfar
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Lu-Max: I would haul it home in two pieces and shouldn't be anything preventing you from pulling the dynamic all the way out. in fact that is the best way to inspect the underside for welds and cracks. might i suggest if you don't find any issues and buy it that you take the main screw out and put the dynamic in the static and then the screw when you put it back together at home. just remember to put the sleeve on the screw before turning it into the vise nut.
that is a BIGUN and nice find.
good luck
JRobb: great information and what are the specs of the Morgan 50? about 80 pounds and 5 inch wide jaws?
Fireman: nice Wilton. congrats
Trijeff: thanks for the pictures of your big Prentiss vise
Loudog: you might consider parting out your Emmert or saving it for one that you might find down the road because they are not common in my area.
that is a BIGUN and nice find.
good luck
JRobb: great information and what are the specs of the Morgan 50? about 80 pounds and 5 inch wide jaws?
Fireman: nice Wilton. congrats
Trijeff: thanks for the pictures of your big Prentiss vise
Loudog: you might consider parting out your Emmert or saving it for one that you might find down the road because they are not common in my area.
balane
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Last photos of my Parker, promise. Well, at least until the next round of mods. This is an update using a swivel base from a Wilton 800S 8" machinist vise. The fit to the base is very, very good. I'm still waiting on a part from Kevin (KMScott) for the swivel workings so it's not in as perfectly operating as I'd like it right now. It will be precisely centered on the base once Kevin's part shows up. Right now it's about 1/8" offset. Color is Satin Oregano. Yes, Oregano. That's what they named it.
6" Jaws, no clue on exact date, sometime during the transition to them being bought out by Union is my best guess. 138 Lbs.
This vise is now bolted back on my bench and ready to help in repairing other vises. The added working height is much appreciated by me, a tall person.
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6" Jaws, no clue on exact date, sometime during the transition to them being bought out by Union is my best guess. 138 Lbs.
This vise is now bolted back on my bench and ready to help in repairing other vises. The added working height is much appreciated by me, a tall person.
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topop101
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Vintage nut - If I were looking for a beater that I didn't want to spend a lot of coin on but wanted something I could hit and not care I would look at Tekton. They are comparable in price to much of the other imports I've seen, but they lifetime warranty their vises. I looked at them when I first started looking for vises.
Drives - you asked for pics of broken vises, here's the one that brought me here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3720215&postcount=20
Of course it's an import and I don't think that's what you were looking for, but it's there in case...
Thanks all for helping identify the size on that Wilton. I haven't reached out to the seller yet because it's about an hour away from me and I really don't have the time (or money) to chase it right now. If it were closer I likely would already have it on my bench. I'm doing my best Jekyll and Hyde routine by trying to talk myself into and out of it all at the same time. I figure if I don't ask questions of the seller than maybe someone else will grab it before I can, lol. I want one badly, but know that I really shouldn't right now. I should start a pool on which side of me will win, Jekyll or Hyde...
DON'T ************ DOWN THERE
You'll be kickin yourself if you let it get awayJRobb: great information and what are the specs of the Morgan 50? about 80 pounds and 5 inch wide jaws?
Yes 5" and right at 80 lbs. I may go back and purchase the swivel base just so I have one. You can buy a Morgan 150 (50 with swivel) or just a 50 and the base separately. Or in whatever jaw size is your liking from 3-8". It comes out to the same money and the same weight. The base would put it over 90 lbs. I'll ask if I can take a few pictures of the pallet of 8" ers for a tool enthusiast board.
Yes 5" and right at 80 lbs. I may go back and purchase the swivel base just so I have one. You can buy a Morgan 150 (50 with swivel) or just a 50 and the base separately. Or in whatever jaw size is your liking from 3-8". It comes out to the same money and the same weight. The base would put it over 90 lbs. I'll ask if I can take a few pictures of the pallet of 8" ers for a tool enthusiast board.
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by LuMax.
Managed to scrounge this today, picking it up on Wednesday morning. Seller seems a tad flaky (but I did get a commitment from him) so will post more after I successfully pick it up. 8" Colombian, he says it weighs about 250#s. Hoping no one buys it out from under me before then.
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LuMax, you must have stumbled on a some sort of railroad Columbian.---I have a 608,---180 lbs.,---8'' jaws,---31'' long,--- Columbian.---Cranks with one finger, swivels lock tight, and the 8'' by 2'' clamping surface will hold about anything you put in it.---The Columbians have hollow towers that make them a lot lighter than the Reeds or Hollands of the same dementions.---I've seen guys knock holes in the towers of the Static and Dynamic jaws by sending a sledge into those hollows.---The metal is plenty thick for a vise but not an anvil.---You treat that one like a vise and not an anvil and it will last you a lifetime, providing there's nothing wrong with it now.---My 608 is my everyday vise and my third hand.---Use it just about everyday.---Best for holding a chainsaw for sharpening I've ever seen.---Hope you stumbled onto one of those special order railroad vises.
Mine
Yep, shop's full of junk.---But it's good junk.---There's a difference.
Managed to scrounge this today, picking it up on Wednesday morning. Seller seems a tad flaky (but I did get a commitment from him) so will post more after I successfully pick it up. 8" Colombian, he says it weighs about 250#s. Hoping no one buys it out from under me before then.
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LuMax, you must have stumbled on a some sort of railroad Columbian.---I have a 608,---180 lbs.,---8'' jaws,---31'' long,--- Columbian.---Cranks with one finger, swivels lock tight, and the 8'' by 2'' clamping surface will hold about anything you put in it.---The Columbians have hollow towers that make them a lot lighter than the Reeds or Hollands of the same dementions.---I've seen guys knock holes in the towers of the Static and Dynamic jaws by sending a sledge into those hollows.---The metal is plenty thick for a vise but not an anvil.---You treat that one like a vise and not an anvil and it will last you a lifetime, providing there's nothing wrong with it now.---My 608 is my everyday vise and my third hand.---Use it just about everyday.---Best for holding a chainsaw for sharpening I've ever seen.---Hope you stumbled onto one of those special order railroad vises.
Mine
Yep, shop's full of junk.---But it's good junk.---There's a difference.
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macgee
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That one got my attention too.
It looks plated (nickel?) to me. What do you think?
Never seen another one like it, that I recall.
Interesting...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-Of-2-Vi...=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&rmvSB=true
It was actually a non-plated milled V-blocked made by Starrett that sold for very little. They just photographed it upside down and it sold for very little.
I believe the vise was shop made and finely milled and not plated. It looks like it was part of a nice group of machinist tools the seller had and most of it went cheap.
I would love a nice small vise like that.
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wrenchguy
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Quick question: Does anyone know if I can simply remove the dynamic jaw by unscrewing it all the way or is there more to it than that? It would simplify bringing it home greatly if it does.
i believe this is the same as my ridgid 80sn. i could not just unscrew the slide out to remove. i believe it has a engineered anti fallout feature and the leadscrew nut is too tall to let the slide to get passed it. i had to remove leadscrew and then leadscrew nut keeper pin. This allows the nut to come out with the slide from main body. you have to install the nut loose into the slide grove when putting it back together.
good luck.
p.s. i slightly modified my leadscrew nut to fix the issue.
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wrenchguy
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Last photos of my Parker, promise. Well, at least until the next round of mods. This is an update using a swivel base from a Wilton 800S 8" machinist vise. The fit to the base is very, very good. I'm still waiting on a part from Kevin (KMScott) for the swivel workings so it's not in as perfectly operating as I'd like it right now. It will be precisely centered on the base once Kevin's part shows up. Right now it's about 1/8" offset. Color is Satin Oregano. Yes, Oregano. That's what they named it.
6" Jaws, no clue on exact date, sometime during the transition to them being bought out by Union is my best guess. 138 Lbs.
This vise is now bolted back on my bench and ready to help in repairing other vises. The added working height is much appreciated by me, a tall person.
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I just now noticed the simpler made jaw inserts and machined land to receive the insert! Has this been brought up b4, especially how difficult it is for KMS to reproduce earlier parker inserts? I didn't notice it on my own 975b.
va.grouseman
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Originally posted by Zoomieport.
That one got my attention too.
It looks plated (nickel?) to me. What do you think?
Never seen another one like it, that I recall.
Interesting...
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Looks nickel.---Had to be platinum.
That one got my attention too.
It looks plated (nickel?) to me. What do you think?
Never seen another one like it, that I recall.
Interesting...
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Looks nickel.---Had to be platinum.
drivesitfar
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VA: have you had you 8 inch Columbian apart and did it just unscrew or was it like Wrench's where you had to loosen the vise nut to get the dynamic out of the static? I've got a L. M. & V 6 inch vise that needs to have the vise nut loosened to remove the dynamic and i think some Record vices have that same design.
JRobb: here's my Morgan 50 that came off the USS Independence that was originally launched in 1956 and saved from the ship 50 years later just before they scrapped it. it ain't no little thing. if you end up going back to the Morgan vise company to pick up a swivel base for yours please take pictures if they allow it. i remember one of our members taking some pictures of the Yost factory and seeing all those new US vises lined up to go on the market was pretty cool.
JRobb: here's my Morgan 50 that came off the USS Independence that was originally launched in 1956 and saved from the ship 50 years later just before they scrapped it. it ain't no little thing. if you end up going back to the Morgan vise company to pick up a swivel base for yours please take pictures if they allow it. i remember one of our members taking some pictures of the Yost factory and seeing all those new US vises lined up to go on the market was pretty cool.
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vintage nut
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I recall my record wouldn't just unscrew to remove the dynamic jaw. I believe I had to knock out the pin holding the nut in place and fiddle around with it a little to get it apart. Can't remember the rest of the process though. I'm restoring my record next week (only done my dad's) so I can figure it out then
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va.grouseman
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Drives,---Mine just screwed right out.---Had to take it apart to mark holes and drill for base plate, plus while I had it apart, I filled the voids in the towers with lead.---Took exactly 40 lbs. of babbitt and car weights.---Turned both Static and Dynamic upside-down and slowly heated them with a propane torch and rosebud set off about 4 inches away from towers for 30 minutes while melting lead in stainless steel bowl with blow torch.---Skimmed the slag and poured it in.---I thought about the led falling out eventually, but the voids are hour glass shaped, so no chance.
That put the solid back in the towers where it should be.---Now when tapped on, sounds like hitting bedrock.
Columbia cut corners on the metal which always helps the bottom line, until testimonials catch up with you.---Then industries went out and bought a Reeds or a Hollands.
Mine was exactly 180 lbs., and with led is now 220 lbs.--- I wouldn't take a gold monkey for mine, but I'm not industry.
How much does your Ridged weigh Wrench?
That put the solid back in the towers where it should be.---Now when tapped on, sounds like hitting bedrock.
Columbia cut corners on the metal which always helps the bottom line, until testimonials catch up with you.---Then industries went out and bought a Reeds or a Hollands.
Mine was exactly 180 lbs., and with led is now 220 lbs.--- I wouldn't take a gold monkey for mine, but I'm not industry.
How much does your Ridged weigh Wrench?
zoomieport
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Let's see if I can post a picture 
Some of my better vises and mostly bought recently, kinda sitting in the way but I don't mind stepping around them too much
A Record 114p, a bitter sweet purchase as I felt the pain of the son selling Dad's vice but paid fair money for something he wanted to sell. It's certainly had a hammer swung at it but not a very big one I think, a nice level of beaten I think I class it. Gunged up with an all over paint job but I'll fettle it at some stage. I thought they were all quick release but not looking at this one, anyone know?
A Lienan made (I presume) 5" swivel that's branded Garant-M, bargain and amazing as it seems to never of been used. No dings anywhwere and no sign of been bolted down, it has a rusty main nut which is a shame as it's a blacked finish and any rubbing is soon through that. I'm agonising over the decision to split the handle and have it turned and blacked again. This is a very nicely machined vice, I'll get a picture of it broken down which will save a thousand words. Though only a 5" it has a good presence, sits next to the 8" Record no problem.
A couple of Reed 206r's, one was a very recent purchase and again ranks in bargain world. It's showing a bit of use, a few dings but no horrers, I'm pleased with it's condition. I've had is broken down, came apart easy. Again a son selling, not such a tough one as Dad was getting the money to spend but a recuring theme. The other one (the one in bits) pretty much matches the other for wear so all is good. I can't shift the nut on this one, not tried heat yet but any tips?
A Reed 106y which I got at the same time as the stripped 206, a repeat of the moral struggle of buying something that has historical sentiment. There was a few vices bought that day so price kinda got blended with others, fair I think/hope. Condition is nice, not stripped any paint yet but not beaten much at all.
Is it just me or do others feel guilt when driving off with a new purchase?
Some of my better vises and mostly bought recently, kinda sitting in the way but I don't mind stepping around them too much
A Record 114p, a bitter sweet purchase as I felt the pain of the son selling Dad's vice but paid fair money for something he wanted to sell. It's certainly had a hammer swung at it but not a very big one I think, a nice level of beaten I think I class it. Gunged up with an all over paint job but I'll fettle it at some stage. I thought they were all quick release but not looking at this one, anyone know?
A Lienan made (I presume) 5" swivel that's branded Garant-M, bargain and amazing as it seems to never of been used. No dings anywhwere and no sign of been bolted down, it has a rusty main nut which is a shame as it's a blacked finish and any rubbing is soon through that. I'm agonising over the decision to split the handle and have it turned and blacked again. This is a very nicely machined vice, I'll get a picture of it broken down which will save a thousand words. Though only a 5" it has a good presence, sits next to the 8" Record no problem.
A couple of Reed 206r's, one was a very recent purchase and again ranks in bargain world. It's showing a bit of use, a few dings but no horrers, I'm pleased with it's condition. I've had is broken down, came apart easy. Again a son selling, not such a tough one as Dad was getting the money to spend but a recuring theme. The other one (the one in bits) pretty much matches the other for wear so all is good. I can't shift the nut on this one, not tried heat yet but any tips?
A Reed 106y which I got at the same time as the stripped 206, a repeat of the moral struggle of buying something that has historical sentiment. There was a few vices bought that day so price kinda got blended with others, fair I think/hope. Condition is nice, not stripped any paint yet but not beaten much at all.
Is it just me or do others feel guilt when driving off with a new purchase?
