zoomieport
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Wrench, do you go the the one in Buckley, Michigan?
The VISES of Garage Journal
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vintage nut
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Sitting on the deck drinking a mountain dew, and watching a morgan 160 dry in the sun after power washing all the **** off with purple super clean.
Turns out that the black paint I thought was original wasn't! A layer of white under it, and finally a gray that looks about the same as I painted my rock island that looks original.
Now I'm debating whether to paint it the original gray and have it match the rock island, or paint it the dark greenish gray I had planned on.
Any thoughts either way?
you can never have too many tools
Turns out that the black paint I thought was original wasn't! A layer of white under it, and finally a gray that looks about the same as I painted my rock island that looks original.
Now I'm debating whether to paint it the original gray and have it match the rock island, or paint it the dark greenish gray I had planned on.
Any thoughts either way?
you can never have too many tools
DR: both the Wilton and Morgan look ok to me and we know how to remove rust and one way is Electrolysis and here's a thread that will help if you haven't tried it.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237752
why do you think the ad is a fake? hope it's not because that's a good buy for those two vises and they need to be saved.
BC: here's an assist to post the actual picture and if you have more post them after work if you can.
TJ: i can't tell you how many times I've watched Tom Rush's memory song, but i get the same big smile on face each time i hear it. glad you liked it too.
I saved the pic and read the caption. It says garand shop 1923!! Holy Cow Batman I have never seen such an early prototype of the M1 Garand!
John
jr3ruffneck
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After much reading on using a freeze plug for a dust cap I figured I'd give it a go on my 3" wilton...... I tried the steel plugs first and they didn't seem the shape very well so I tried a brass one. after flaring it out with a ball ping hammer for about 30 minutes and trimming it down shorter this is what I came up with........ 1 5/8 plug is perfect by the time you finish shaping it and fits snug. hope this is helpful for someone
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Lobo74
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Went back again today did not have time to make an offer. It is a 103 1/2. The 207 was hand stamped in a couple of different places on the vise (like maybe and inspection number) But I don't know. It does appear to be in pretty nice shape. Worked it through the full length. The jaws line up nice top to bottom and side to side. The face of the jaws do not show much wear at all. The teeth (sorry if that's not the right term) on the jaws look sharp. I'm not an expert but I did not see any cracks anywhere. It does not look like it was abused. I would say normal to less wear. I was thinking of a starting offer of $40. Maybe lower? thanks. Joe
trijeff
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OK, starting to lose faith that the GJers in TN will find the 700# RR vise because this 8"er has been sitting there on CL for nearly 2 weeks. SLEEPING ON IT people! $100 OBO. OBO people!! Obviously Katie (the seller) has no idea of the true weight of that thing. Just look at the 2X4 framing and the cinder block wall (16" standard length) for scale ... that has GOT to be an 8"er.
Come on people!!!
Please tell me this is actually gone and she just hasn't removed the ad yet.
http://knoxville.craigslist.org/for/5015128537.html
EDIT: And let the races begin, I just confirmed with her it is a Columbian 608 and is still available. So disappointed in the TN GJers lol (all in good fun - hope someone enjoys!!!)
Come on people!!!
Please tell me this is actually gone and she just hasn't removed the ad yet.
http://knoxville.craigslist.org/for/5015128537.html
EDIT: And let the races begin, I just confirmed with her it is a Columbian 608 and is still available. So disappointed in the TN GJers lol (all in good fun - hope someone enjoys!!!)
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vintage nut
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I just discovered a crack in the morgan. Right side of the jaw shelf on the dynamic jaw. My guess is someone hit the top of the jaw with a big hammer. I'm not too worried, as it is something I can easily fix, but it shows how hard to spot this stuff can be! I have been looking it over for probably two weeks now, and only just noticed it. It was impossible to see until I removed the jaws and thoroughly cleaned it.
Drives, I'm not unhappy at all about this. There is no way you could possibly have seen it. It took me two weeks and powerwashing it to find it. All part of restoring old tools!
Good lesson why not to beat on a vise though! It's hard to imagine a vise more overbuilt than this morgan, and even it was damaged! I can easily see absolutely destroying a smaller vise (or even most other 6" vises) by beating on it
you can never have too many tools
Drives, I'm not unhappy at all about this. There is no way you could possibly have seen it. It took me two weeks and powerwashing it to find it. All part of restoring old tools!
Good lesson why not to beat on a vise though! It's hard to imagine a vise more overbuilt than this morgan, and even it was damaged! I can easily see absolutely destroying a smaller vise (or even most other 6" vises) by beating on it
you can never have too many tools
Bought this for $15 today. Parker Vases No. 123 1/2. Works pretty good so I'm trying to find a place to bolt onto it.
I've lost count how many times how useful a vise would have come in handy while working on stuff. I finally have one. I didn't plan on buying a vise today, but once I saw it, I asked the price. $15? Couldn't resist.
I've lost count how many times how useful a vise would have come in handy while working on stuff. I finally have one. I didn't plan on buying a vise today, but once I saw it, I asked the price. $15? Couldn't resist.
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I just discovered a crack in the morgan. Right side of the jaw shelf on the dynamic jaw. My guess is someone hit the top of the jaw with a big hammer. I'm not too worried, as it is something I can easily fix, but it shows how hard to spot this stuff can be! I have been looking it over for probably two weeks now, and only just noticed it. It was impossible to see until I removed the jaws and thoroughly cleaned it.
Drives, I'm not unhappy at all about this. There is no way you could possibly have seen it. It took me two weeks and powerwashing it to find it. All part of restoring old tools!
Good lesson why not to beat on a vise though! It's hard to imagine a vise more overbuilt than this morgan, and even it was damaged! I can easily see absolutely destroying a smaller vise (or even most other 6" vises) by beating on it
you can never have too many tools
Big vises see bigger amounts of abuse. At least its in an area where it can be strengthened and you'll never see it.
McBrownie
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I saw a Columbian 606 a year ago or so and it was huge. The diameter of the handle was probably 7/8". I can't imagine what a 608 would look like in person. A steal at $100.
I would say thats a you **** price. Any parker that cheap is fantastic. That probably used a #2 wrench for the swivel, which are the ones you can actually find. They show up on ebay regularly. I've even bought one off my local CL.
A lot of great new vises coming through these days, it's great to see! I picked up a little Reed that appears to be in good shape, minus some bend in the handle. I'll post pics maybe this weekend if I get some time. Keep up the hunting guys!
FMC1959
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Wow, heck of a job If it was new out of the box it couldn't look any better.
drivesitfar
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Filson: nice to see you are still around and i hope the new digs are what you hoped they would be when you bought over there in the land of the sun. nicest winter over here in years so i hope you have enough water on your side for the crops.
take care and yes please post pictures of that Reed when you get time.
TOP: that is actually a Wilton C0 and the baby of the C series vises and if i hadn't read all that about where you robbed parts from other vises to make it i'd swear you have a pristine looking vise. nice job and it's a keeper even for a guy that has a few vices.
Vintage: yes i had no clue other than a screw was missing. sorry and i hope you and your Dad can do your magic to it. i saw that you pressure washed it to find the crack and also that it had a few coats of paint on it. i'd vote for a different color than grey because you might have it in your shop for another 50 or 60 years. of course you can paint it grey and then put a color on it later if you want to. it's your vise and BTW are your muscles sore yet?
JR: can you post that brass plug fix over on the vise repair 101 thread and hell yes that helps and also looks a lot better than a flat freeze plug with your shaping. nice work.
350: you didn't over pay and it looks like a nice very old Parker
BC: i almost went to a steam engine fair/show last summer just south of Portland to see the old tools and there were a lot of vises and anvils supposed to be at the swap meet. i think a few of our GJ members in Oregon take their kids and go to that because they have some kids rides and plenty to look at.
Wrench: i know you had a thread starting up your 3 phase huge grinder with a power source that would light up a city so have you started any threads with your steam engines? and if not please do if you have time. very cool to own one and know how it works.
TJ: even with Fastenal's shipping costs of about $150 to anywhere in the US with that 8 incher at $100 it's still a great deal. i'm just not a Columbian or Parker fan because i'm still married or i probably would have all the old pre 1960 made vises i could afford.
take care and yes please post pictures of that Reed when you get time.
TOP: that is actually a Wilton C0 and the baby of the C series vises and if i hadn't read all that about where you robbed parts from other vises to make it i'd swear you have a pristine looking vise. nice job and it's a keeper even for a guy that has a few vices.
Vintage: yes i had no clue other than a screw was missing. sorry and i hope you and your Dad can do your magic to it. i saw that you pressure washed it to find the crack and also that it had a few coats of paint on it. i'd vote for a different color than grey because you might have it in your shop for another 50 or 60 years. of course you can paint it grey and then put a color on it later if you want to. it's your vise and BTW are your muscles sore yet?
JR: can you post that brass plug fix over on the vise repair 101 thread and hell yes that helps and also looks a lot better than a flat freeze plug with your shaping. nice work.
350: you didn't over pay and it looks like a nice very old Parker
BC: i almost went to a steam engine fair/show last summer just south of Portland to see the old tools and there were a lot of vises and anvils supposed to be at the swap meet. i think a few of our GJ members in Oregon take their kids and go to that because they have some kids rides and plenty to look at.
Wrench: i know you had a thread starting up your 3 phase huge grinder with a power source that would light up a city so have you started any threads with your steam engines? and if not please do if you have time. very cool to own one and know how it works.
TJ: even with Fastenal's shipping costs of about $150 to anywhere in the US with that 8 incher at $100 it's still a great deal. i'm just not a Columbian or Parker fan because i'm still married or i probably would have all the old pre 1960 made vises i could afford.
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FMC1959
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I think $40 is a good starting offer. Don't in any way get discouraged by my comments about me thinking $90 is a bit high. I have about 30 some odd vise, many in the 3 to 5" size, so for a 3 1/2" vise, I am less excited. But when I was getting my first and 2nd and so on, I would have been all over a nice Reed in good shape.
I am going to guess you have looked at local ads and a similar vise for about $50-$60 you can't find, or you wouldn't be looking at this. So if you like this vise and it is at the going rate in your neck of the woods, go for it!
Good luck
trijeff
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Agreed that even with Fastenal shipping that would be a great deal, but 100% absolutely certain that "Katie" is not going to slap that puppy on a pallet. Still really surprised it has lasted this long, ESP at that price. Really great condition sans maybe a swivel lock handle. I would have been over there so fast ... vises get listed and are gone in MINUTES not WEEKS in this neck of the woods.
vintage nut
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I ran into a snag in the repair. My plan was to drill and tap the jaw shelf and put two screws in to reinforce it. I ended up with one screw and one broken tap holding it.... Of course this was the first time in my life I have broken a tap. And no it wasn't a chinese one, it was an almost new swedish made SKF. It was on the side of the crack that needed the least strength, so I decided to leave it rather than risk causing more damage. I'll post some pics in the vise repair thread after dinner. I'm never going to beat on it, and since it also has the jaw bolted over it, I'm sure the repair will outlast me.
Also, I believe I have decided on the dark gloss greenish gray for the morgan.
you can never have too many tools
Also, I believe I have decided on the dark gloss greenish gray for the morgan.
you can never have too many tools
drivesitfar
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TOP: i'm pretty sure i saw C0 on the side of your Wilton. No?
i do like the C series vises and especially the ones with those big pins. i had a C1 or a 1945 i think was their # that had those big pins that i sold to a client that had his vise stolen off his truck. I've posted this before, but i truly want to own a truck like this so i can mount a nice big vise like he did.
cheers and again very nice job.
i do like the C series vises and especially the ones with those big pins. i had a C1 or a 1945 i think was their # that had those big pins that i sold to a client that had his vise stolen off his truck. I've posted this before, but i truly want to own a truck like this so i can mount a nice big vise like he did.
cheers and again very nice job.
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ShadowRuleZ
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Tall jaw versa vise from a local auction but no base. No idea what the other clamp vise is, any ideas? It doesn't really open, just closes.
vintage nut
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Handsaw sharpening vise
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
drivesitfar
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Vintage: I had a 80 year old machinist who bought his Austrian/German metal lathe for his shop new in the early 1970's tell me that the jaws on my 1935 Rock Island 577 were the toughest steel that he'd ever drilled. not sure if that means much to those that harden steel for a living, but he made a ton of stuff on that lathe.
sorry to hear the big guy is fighting you so much and happy to hear you have such a positive attitude because i'd probably have said a couple words even on a post that i would have had a MOD edit later.
sorry to hear the big guy is fighting you so much and happy to hear you have such a positive attitude because i'd probably have said a couple words even on a post that i would have had a MOD edit later.
topop101
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Tall jaw versa vise from a local auction but no base. No idea what the other clamp vise is, any ideas? It doesn't really open, just closes.
Hand saw sharping vise. Is it a Disston?
Outlawmws
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Shadow, the "clamp" is a saw vise for sharpening Saws. Nice find on the versa vise; no base?
ShadowRuleZ
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No markings that I've been able to find. Thanks for the info everyone! Anyone have a versa vise base for sale?
topop101
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No markings that I've been able to find. Thanks for the info everyone! Anyone have a versa vise base for sale?
Fairly easy to make or have made. not much good without it
drivesitfar
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TOP: did you see the YOUTUBE video link i posted earlier today? i watch it when i need to smile and forget. What was i talking about? oh ya, it's a keeper and TJ seemed to like it too.
cheers and your Wilton is still a great vise no matter what # you want to call it.
cheers and your Wilton is still a great vise no matter what # you want to call it.
vintage nut
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If it was broken right off I would probably do that. However, it's just a crack in one corner and it's all still together well. I'm pretty confident that it would have even been fine left alone, as the jaw really reinforces that area. I really doubt I'll ever have an issue from it, but if I do I'll pin it and silver solder it. I just wanted to avoid removing the piece from it to do that. I'm going to be using this vise for the rest of my life, and I'm very confident I can make it outlast me.
Drives, believe me you would have heard that if you were in the shop. I had waited to post anything until I had already figured out how to deal with it, so by that point I was over it
you can never have too many tools
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This is my first post ... My son asked me to make a little replacement handle for his vise restoration project and suggested I post some pictures of the project. So here they are ...
Shaft is 3/8" drill rod with a 3/16" hole drilled in each end. Then I turned the little knobs from 9/16" drill rod, turning down a little stub so as to make a light press fit into the 3/16" holes. Then a drop of red loctite and squeeze it all together on the arbor press. Maybe an hour's work. I hope he likes it [emoji3]
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bagged89s10
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This is my first post ... My son asked me to make a little replacement handle for his vise restoration project and suggested I post some pictures of the project. So here they are ...
Shaft is 3/8" drill rod with a 3/16" hole drilled in each end. Then I turned the little knobs from 9/16" drill rod, turning down a little stub so as to make a light press fit into the 3/16" holes. Then a drop of red loctite and squeeze it all together on the arbor press. Maybe an hour's work. I hope he likes it [emoji3]
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I like how you made that using a press fit. I might have to try to make one using your method. Nice work!
So many projects.
Never enough time.
vintage nut
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My dad has joined us now! In case you're wondering, yes that is the swivel lock handle for my rock island
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
wrenchguy
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i show old gas and diesel engines and vintage tractors, no steam
i post engine and tractor stuff here, http://www.smokstak.com and http://www.acmoc.org/bb/
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drivesitfar
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Wrench: thanks for the link and i think i found another good reading source of great information.
IronHorse (or Vintage Nut's Dad): that is some amazing work you just did on that Rock Island's swivel pin. don't tell me your are going to make new ones for the big Morgan 160 because those were bent more ways to Sunday and i'm not sure how, but they worked ok.
i'll be the first to welcome you to our group and if you wouldn't mind posting this swivel pin and any other cool vise fixes or tricks over on the vise repair 101 thread we have that would be awesome too. (no hurry and if you have the time and if you want to)
glad to have you and maybe we can teach you something too while you teach us.
thanks for the great pictures too.
IronHorse (or Vintage Nut's Dad): that is some amazing work you just did on that Rock Island's swivel pin. don't tell me your are going to make new ones for the big Morgan 160 because those were bent more ways to Sunday and i'm not sure how, but they worked ok.
i'll be the first to welcome you to our group and if you wouldn't mind posting this swivel pin and any other cool vise fixes or tricks over on the vise repair 101 thread we have that would be awesome too. (no hurry and if you have the time and if you want to)
glad to have you and maybe we can teach you something too while you teach us.
thanks for the great pictures too.
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vintage nut
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The morgan is definitely getting new swivel handles! Yes they still work, but to me they are just infuriating to use having to rotate them around and push and pull every half turn.
They are being made from W1 drill rod. Partly because it already has a really nice finish, and also because it's probably a bit stronger than mild steel, although I'm not sure how much of a difference there really is unless I heat treat them (which I'm not going to)
you can never have too many tools
They are being made from W1 drill rod. Partly because it already has a really nice finish, and also because it's probably a bit stronger than mild steel, although I'm not sure how much of a difference there really is unless I heat treat them (which I'm not going to)
you can never have too many tools
va.grouseman
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Trijeff,---That's a good looking Columbian, but I'm not sure it is a 608.---I have a 608 on my bench and it's 180 lbs. with 2 swivel lock downs.---A 606 is around 100 lbs.---Even if it is a 606, it's worth $100.00 in that shape, if there are no unforeseen alterations or blemishes.
Here's a 608.
Here's a 608.
bigcaddy
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As long as the tolerances are tight, a press fit handle works just fine for everyday work.
I made a new handle for a Reed 2C with press fit ball ends and it hasn't moved at all. That's also accounting for daily use with a slightly lengthened handle. Every time I let it go, it acts like a slide hammer but it will not budge.
Locktite should work great and if you didn't notice, the Rock Island lockdowns are nearly a clone of the Reed combo vise lockdowns. Just in case you need to make one. The only difference is the bottom is radiused for a rounded socket in the vises base flange.
trijeff
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va.gman: I hear ya. I was a little confused at first with the 100# weight listed but I have actually texted with the seller and she has confirmed that is a Columbian 608 and that she mis-listed the weight. In fact, I'll eat my hat if that isn't a 608
(I think that is my new forum tagline 
)Yours is in AMAZING condition
I don't own a Columbian, I have always been a little worried about the cavities - in the marketing pieces I've seen regarding this issue they always claim that characteristic actually makes them stronger, which seems a little counter intuitive to me, but I want to hear your thoughts on that as an actual owner. I will try to find one of the ads that says that and post it.
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