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EShield

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Buying used tools, therefore not supporting those made in USA tools, since the company sees no product movement from that, nor do stores, which in effect makes the premise of selling them in store less appealing. The circle he complains about continues.
 

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Buying used tools, therefore not supporting those made in USA tools, since the company sees no product movement from that, nor do stores, which in effect makes the premise of selling them in store less appealing. The circle he complains about continues.

? So, if a guy buys a used american car, that doesn't support the american car makers? I'm a bit confused by this statement. How do you know the seller of the used tools isn't planning on the money from the sale to support his purchase of new tools, say maybe a different brand that he wants. So, used tools should sit idle and be passed by for the purchase of new tools, or only in this instance because of OP's comments??
 

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? So, if a guy buys a used american car, that doesn't support the american car makers? I'm a bit confused by this statement. How do you know the seller of the used tools isn't planning on the money from the sale to support his purchase of new tools, say maybe a different brand that he wants. So, used tools should sit idle and be passed by for the purchase of new tools, or only in this instance because of OP's comments??

This is a comment about the OPs continued whining about this over many posts and how he continues to fail to support these companies himself. Not a dissertation on to buy or not buy used tools.
 
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Well it seems as if people totally missed the point...

The original theory of my post, is if you want to "buy American", then there needs to be more American to buy, availability and affordability wise.

Sears-Craftsman was one of the very last (besides Menards- Masterforce) tool line to be accessible by millions.

Yes, a few specialty stores, such as Fastenall sell Armstrong, and some mom and pop hardware stores might carry Wright.

I've been to a lot of garage sales, and what do I note in most people's garages? Craftsman tools. I've seen Cman in about 90% of garages, from young to old.

Now don't get me wrong, Snap On, Mac, Matco etc all make very nice tools.

But the issue is the price, you might spend $8,000, to get a basic setup going, how much money does that save you over going to the dealer?

Yes, these brands have their place in the garages of people who make money with their tools, and want the highest quality, spare no expense, to minimize downtime.

My post was not a bash of any brand, nor an argument of COO, it was more or a less a sad thought, of just how many places still sell USA made tools to the average Joe- very little.

As mentioned earlier, cman was one of the last affordable tool lines that millions of people could buy, and that agreement was echoed by stepping into the garages of hundreds of homes from going to yardsales for the past 10 or so years.

I myself would have a entire garage full of Snap In, Mac, or any truck brand if I made a decent salary, but I don't.

I just simply wish another American tool line would emerge, that would be priced where anyone could buy, and be sold in stores across the US.

I mean look at this little sk socket set, my dad said you could get these in just about any department store.

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So in summary, and to dispel any earlier confusion, today you pretty much have the affordable non-us tools, then it jumps to the tool truck brand prices for American.

There should be a middle ground again.
 

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The original theory of my post, is if you want to "buy American", then there needs to be more American to buy, availability and affordability wise.

There are plenty of American tool makers, and availability is excellent.

Affordability...you can only make stuff so cheaply in this country. If you want American made, you by God have to be willing to pay American made prices, which are going to often run twice as much as many foreign sourced items.

So in summary, and to dispel any earlier confusion, today you pretty much have the affordable non-us tools, then it jumps to the tool truck brand prices for American.

Which is ********

There should be a middle ground again.

There is plenty of middle ground. SK. Wright. Williams. Proto, Armstrong, etc.

IT AIN'T GONNA BE CRAFTSMAN CHEAP THOUGH. Those days are ******* GONE. Quality tools are not cheap. You don't have to pay tool truck level prices, but you aren't going to get them for Taiwanese prices, either. But you will get quality tools if you are willing to pay the piper.
 
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Middle ground is sk, proto, wright. They are there and have been for a long time. Ask for a raise on your allowance.

Edit got beat to it.
 

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Well it seems as if people totally missed the point...

The original theory of my post, is if you want to "buy American", then there needs to be more American to buy, availability and affordability wise.

Sears-Craftsman was one of the very last (besides Menards- Masterforce) tool line to be accessible by millions.

Yes, a few specialty stores, such as Fastenall sell Armstrong, and some mom and pop hardware stores might carry Wright.

I've been to a lot of garage sales, and what do I note in most people's garages? Craftsman tools. I've seen Cman in about 90% of garages, from young to old.

Now don't get me wrong, Snap On, Mac, Matco etc all make very nice tools.

But the issue is the price, you might spend $8,000, to get a basic setup going, how much money does that save you over going to the dealer?

Yes, these brands have their place in the garages of people who make money with their tools, and want the highest quality, spare no expense, to minimize downtime.

My post was not a bash of any brand, nor an argument of COO, it was more or a less a sad thought, of just how many places still sell USA made tools to the average Joe- very little.

As mentioned earlier, cman was one of the last affordable tool lines that millions of people could buy, and that agreement was echoed by stepping into the garages of hundreds of homes from going to yardsales for the past 10 or so years.

I myself would have a entire garage full of Snap In, Mac, or any truck brand if I made a decent salary, but I don't.

I just simply wish another American tool line would emerge, that would be priced where anyone could buy, and be sold in stores across the US.

I mean look at this little sk socket set, my dad said you could get these in just about any department store.

socketsets001.jpg


So in summary, and to dispel any earlier confusion, today you pretty much have the affordable non-us tools, then it jumps to the tool truck brand prices for American.

There should be a middle ground again.

Seriously who gives a sh1t where stuff is made? It's 2015 and it's been a world economy for many many years, to pretend otherwise is plain silly.
 

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You want middle ground tools. Gearwrench for the 15th time. You want quality, I just bought 15 Stahlwille wrenches for $130. You want quality American, grab Wright. Want quality American cheap... Chanellock. I bought 4 pliers on Amazon for $30. LOOK AROUND DUDE, WHAT YOU WANT EXISTS. DO YOU NEED IT SPOON FED TO YOU BY MOMMY?

Why on earth are you obsessed with USA? COO doesn't mean quality. You can get German and Japanese tools made to snap on quality at craftsman prices.

WHY THE F DO YOU THINK WALMART AND AUTOZONE WILL STOCK USA TOOLS? READ MY POSTS, I ANSWER YOUR ****** QUESTIONS.

I have the respect to read your posts despite how it's bordering on trolling and stupidity. Read mine.
 

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You want middle ground tools. Gearwrench for the 15th time. You want quality, I just bought 15 Stahlwille wrenches for $130. You want quality American, grab Wright. Want quality American cheap... Chanellock. I bought 4 pliers on Amazon for $30. LOOK AROUND DUDE, WHAT YOU WANT EXISTS. DO YOU NEED IT SPOON FED TO YOU BY MOMMY?

Why on earth are you obsessed with USA? COO doesn't mean quality. You can get German and Japanese tools made to snap on quality at craftsman prices.

WHY THE F DO YOU THINK WALMART AND AUTOZONE WILL STOCK USA TOOLS? READ MY POSTS, I ANSWER YOUR ****** QUESTIONS.

I have the respect to read your posts despite how it's bordering on trolling and stupidity. Read mine.
Perfect. Cold not state it better. He is trolling for a reason I don't understand.
 
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You can get German and Japanese tools made to snap on quality at craftsman prices.

Examples? Not being a smart *** or anything, I pick some of this stuff up if it as good as you say it is at craftsman prices.
 
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The problem I see is a lot of people were sating I was trying to prove a point, I was not. I was simply stating an observation.
 
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:lol_hitti

Once he logs in and reads this thread, he is either going to think twice about posting this **** in the future or go off on everyone and get himself banned.

All I've seen you do in this thread is add posts with the mental nutrition of a common nail.

You have increased your post count and added nothing to this discussion.


Now who is the troll?
 
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Um no, that isn't true at all. Sears stocked China Craftsman tools, do you really thing people want to buy them?

The decision to switch to chicom tools in stores was not a decision voted by the public. It was done at shareholder meetings in order to increase profits.
 

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Um no, that isn't true at all. Sears stocked China Craftsman tools, do you really thing people want to buy them?

The decision to switch to chicom tools in stores was not a decision voted by the public. It was done at shareholder meetings in order to increase profits.

Don't agree.
Generally the masses will buy what's cheap and don't give a damn about COO.
Posters on sites like GJ are biased towards quality USA made tools etc.

Put it in real perspective instead of through rose tinted glasses.:headscrat
 
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Don't agree.
Generally the masses will buy what's cheap and don't give a damn about COO.
Posters on sites like GJ are biased towards quality USA made tools etc.

Put it in real perspective instead of through rose tinted glasses.:headscrat

Yes the masses will buy what is cheap, but why can't cheap be American made?

When I was a kid, Craftsman wasn't that much more expensive at all than Chinese made tools, if caught on sale.

Tool manufacturing is a hugely automated process. In fact I'm sure it could be done entirely by machine and robot.
 

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? So, if a guy buys a used american car, that doesn't support the american car makers? I'm a bit confused by this statement.

It's rather simple. The sale of the used car does not provide any dollars to the manufacturer of the car. It provides dollars to the seller, but the automaker does not directly benefit from it.

Buying used domestic goods does not directly support domestic manufacturing.

How do you know the seller of the used tools isn't planning on the money from the sale to support his purchase of new tools, say maybe a different brand that he wants.

We don't know that, and it has no bearing on the purchase of the used goods.

Indirect support is an unknown, and therefore, unarguable. If the hypothetical seller bought new domestic tools with his profit from selling used domestic tools, then the seller would be directly supporting domestic manufacturing.

The buyer doesn't know what's going to happen with his money once he hands it over.

So, used tools should sit idle and be passed by for the purchase of new tools, or only in this instance because of OP's comments??

Buy used goods. Buy away. But, with the example of buying used US-made tools, don't buy used and crow about how you support domestic manufacturing or a particular tool manufacturer because you bought their stuff used.

It's kind of like claiming that you made the winning home run for your kid's baseball team because you were involved in the creation and upbringing of your kid.
 

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Seriously who gives a sh1t where stuff is made? It's 2015 and it's been a world economy for many many years, to pretend otherwise is plain silly.

Do you even read the board? I would guess fully half the active members do care about COO and will argue pretty vocally about it.
 

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Perhaps there is a private prison somewhere in the US that could afford to make such a tool. It would be US made by deportee's - a quality only a prisoner could make.
 

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Yes the masses will buy what is cheap, but why can't cheap be American made?

When I was a kid, Craftsman wasn't that much more expensive at all than Chinese made tools, if caught on sale.

Tool manufacturing is a hugely automated process. In fact I'm sure it could be done entirely by machine and robot.

Robots aren't cheap, slaves are.
 

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All I've seen you do in this thread is add posts with the mental nutrition of a common nail.

You have increased your post count and added nothing to this discussion.


Now who is the troll?

There is nothing in this thread any different than the last 20 threads with the same topic.

I am just informing people that you like to play games, that is what I would consider a troll. Instead of creating a new ID and asking a mod to help you out with the old one, you acted like a new member and then went on a spree of rants. This one is not much different. After your mom get's you out of bed today, why don't you ask her what tools she thinks you should buy? Maybe you can get a bigger allowance if you take the trash out or do the dishes?

For everyone else, this was also TIMDATOOLMAN (DETECTO):

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291658

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291478

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291640

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291691


As I said before, maybe you should slow down. No one likes it when you start a bunch of threads that are "designed" to start battles between members. You might as well start two threads one saying USA tools ****, the other saying Chinese tools ****. This is one of the most debated topics on this forum. Most of the threads end up closed because someone gets a little too opinionated. Just grow up a bit and don't try and be superstar thread starter and you will be fine. Keep up the shenanigans and you will end up banned like your alter ego.
 

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Yes the masses will buy what is cheap, but why can't cheap be American made?

When I was a kid, Craftsman wasn't that much more expensive at all than Chinese made tools, if caught on sale.

Tool manufacturing is a hugely automated process. In fact I'm sure it could be done entirely by machine and robot.

Everybody seems to think that it's quick and easy to throw a plant up, stick some automated equipment in, churn out finished goods, and profit. It's amazing, people who have never run a business, don't know the first thing about running a business, don't know jack **** about manufacturing, but by God, they are EXPERTS at both and know exactly how it ought to be done.

Let me repeat- making goods in the US is not cheap. It is a high cost to do so, and because businesses exist to make a profit and are not charities, that cost will be passed on to the consumer so that said business can stay in operation. If you want US made, then you must pay the price for it.
 

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I am so tired of seeing this guy's stupid, pointless threads. It's even useless to have him on ignore, because they still appear. This same issue has been beaten to death over and over and over again! Take a ******* break, dude. You are contributing NOTHING!!!:rant:
 

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"The mental nutrition of a common nail."

Well that about explains what we are dealing with. At least the Chinese learn and utilize English properly.
 
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