Toledo Shop Build

[Methius]

A current member suggested I document my shop build on this forum, so here goes!

4 years ago, my wife and I built a new house on 5.5 acres in Oregon. We're in a small town called Toledo which sets about 8 miles inland from the Oregon Coast. Better weather, cheaper property, short commute! We built on a daylight basement which has served as my "shop" for a few years... It's now time to move everything into a proper shop so that I can start finishing the basement.

Here's what I came up with. Overall demensions are 54' x 40' x 17' (eaves):
Updenkelder Shop_Page_2 by gloria2002mcs, on Flickr

We broke ground on Saturday (building it with my neighbor) and got quite a bit accomplished.
IMG_5692 by gloria2002mcs, on Flickr

The back corner of the shop is sitting on fill from my daylight basement digout. It's REALLY hard clay, but we decided to do some concrete pillars down to native and tie them to the footings with re-bar.
IMG_5700 by gloria2002mcs, on Flickr

I even managed to put my kid to work
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Footing inspection tomorrow and pouring Thursday!
IMG_5698 by gloria2002mcs, on Flickr

 

[ToMaC]

Welcome! Glad to see that you'll be posting the progress here.

 

[captain14]

Welcome to GJ

Yes one of the key points here is we like pictures of your progress. Lots of pictures.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Hi and welcome aboard, looking forward to following your build.

 

[Toolfool]

Welcome. I see your son has the two-handed-handyman swing. Subscribed.

 

[Methius]

The plot thickens... Got my footing inspection report today from the County. Apparently I need to spend lots MORE money. Not sure where to go from here... Maybe the compaction report will show that I don't need the piers? I was simply adding the piers as a safeguard for the future. More to follow.

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[captain14]

More Money? They are trying to take your tool money away before you even get anything built!

Would engineers go over your build design for the footing and approve it? Get it all worked out now before you start to build because they could force you to remove it if not correctly built to their standards.

 

[Methius]

Would engineers go over your build design for the footing and approve it? Get it all worked out now before you start to build because they could force you to remove it if not correctly built to their standards.

Actually, our plans we turned in to the County were PE stamped. The engineers called for a 12" x 6" footing and my buddy insisted on doing 18" x 8". Good thing

After hearing the inspection results, my contractor buddy called the chief inspector (not the guy that performed my inspection, but his boss) and explained what was going on. Yes the back corner is on fill, but the fill has been sitting for 4 years. Come to find out, anything sitting for over 2 years in our county is no longer considered fill... It's treated as native. As for the pillars, they are simply added insurance for the long life of the shop. The inspector agreed and has given us the green light to continue with our scheduled Thursday footing pour. It helps that my buddy has a great reputation in the community for quality builds.

What did I learn? It never hurts to ask. He probably saved me $6,000 today.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Looks like a nice build, keep it updated with plenty of pics like Capt said. When you think you took enough pictures take one more. Several years from now, you'll be glad you took all the pics.

I'll also suggest find one spot, off from a front corner to take a picture from everyday as work progresses. Seeing the building grow from the same place really puts the build in perspective.


What's the plan for the use of your new shop ?

 

[Methius]

What's the plan for the use of your new shop ?

Primarily dry storage. We have a 32' camp trailer and a small boat that currently lives outside. We're also storing everything we own in the unfinished daylight basement of my house. My wife REALLY wants to start finishing the basement because our current floor plan has 0 storage... Our vacuum cleaner lives in my walk-in closet :

Here's the current status of my daylight basement:

This is my "service bay"... Sounded good in theory until enough stuff broke down that I no longer had room to fix anything.

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I bought a GIANT stainless cooling / heating unit from a Taco Bell that went out of business with grandiose plans of turning it in to an outdoor kitchen. Now it just sits.

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This is the only "organized" section of the basement. I scored the shelves from a telecommunication building that I helped gut. It used to have REALLY heavy batteries on it, so the shelving is total overkill. Can't wait to move it to the new shop and space them out a bit. You could drive a truck on them.

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And finally, the "I dont want to deal with this right now" pile. This is mostly stuff for a vacation house that we are building. As soon as I finish the floors in the house, all this will move (or be tossed).

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My name is Matt, and I have a problem.

 

[ToMaC]

Looks good! There's a lot more **** in there now since the last time I was there Where did the lift go?

 

[Methius]

Where did the lift go?

Sold it to a buddy We have one in South Beach that I can use 24/7 anyways. I'll have one eventually again. It was too small for this shop anyways.

 

[captain14]

Good luck in the morning.

 

[Methius]

Footings poured yesterday afternoon.

Truck arrived at about 2pm. We dumped 2 or 3 yards off the bat in the piers to lighten the load a bit.

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I borrowed some 1" thick highway plates to span the footings so the truck could back in to the digout. Saved me from having to have a concrete pump, but my neighbor wasnt too happy about having to chute it. A penny saved is a penny earned!

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I'm going to have to re-sculpt my driveway along the house because the slab height will end up being roughly at the height of the batter boards. Here you can see the stub outs for fiber-optic and power. Also the Ufer ground is painted in pink so we dont cut it with the rest of the verticals later.

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Verticals going in

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Measuring location of the garage door pillars

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The look on the drivers face when we told him he was backing up his mostly full truck over a couple steel plates was priceless... I wanted to say something like "I saw this in a movie once, you will be fine!"

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Tonight after work, we will be peeling off the forms and this weekend we will form the walls all the way around. Should pour sometime early next week, although I will actually have to get a pump next time.

 

[NUTTSGT]

You have 9' ceilings in the basement ?

 

[Methius]

You have 9' ceilings in the basement ?

Of the house? 10' actually..

 

[NUTTSGT]

Of the house? 10' actually..

yes, I meant the house. I knew they looked tall but not that tall. Do the kids try to play basket ball down there ?

 

[Methius]

Do the kids try to play basket ball down there ?

I had a 2-post lift in my basement for a while

 

[Methius]

Productive weekend!

Footing forms stripped and cleaned. Wall forms going up.

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Rebar going in.

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Wall knockouts drawn in pencil for the man door and the bathroom exterior door.

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Walls up and ready for pouring

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Bring on the concrete!

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I found this interesting... my buddy installed these on the inside of the man door knock outs. The nails hold the board in place and the pre-hung door gets nailed in to these. Apparently its MUCH easier to do this now, as opposed to trying to attached something to the concrete once it's dry. Pretty cool trick

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More wall pics

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We're about an hour away from REALLY being ready to pour. Still need to form out the pillars between the garage bays. This is our final picture of Sunday evening. headed back out tonight to finish up. Trying to pour walls Wednesday!

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[ToMaC]

Good luck with the pour tomorrow! Take lots of pics.

 

[Methius]

Took a couple hours off of work today to pour the walls! Rented a pump this time, so it was a pretty quick pour.

Pump and truck set and ready!

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Mud looks good!

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My buddy didn't have enough "new" panels for the job, so he used a few older panels in smaller places. This came back to bite us as one of them shifted from the weight of the mud. Guess I'll have one less-than-perfect wall. Ohh well

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This weekend I will be working on the back fill, and strip / clean all the wall panels. Sounds miserable

 

[Methius]

More updates from the weekend. I know most of this stuff isn't very exciting, but I still want to document it for anyone who might be going through the same process.

I ended up trucking in about 80yds of fill. 25 yards was left over from previous jobs, and my buddy's Dad had 55 yds of sand in his field that he wanted to get rid of. Sand makes GREAT backfill as long as you compact it with water, and it's 100% contained (inside the foundation walls).

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Our 10yd dump truck is in the shop, so I had to use the older 5yd truck. It runs fine, but the heater is stuck on 100% of the time, and the passenger window doesn't roll down. It was HOT.
IMG_5798 by gloria2002mcs, on Flickr

Even managed to take the kids for a short ride each. The dog wasn't thrilled about it...

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[NUTTSGT]

Looks good but pull the fuze for that blwer motor.

 

[akcooper9]

Looks good but pull the fuze for that blwer motor.

+1 I was thinking the same thing!

 

[Methius]

Looks good but pull the fuze for that blwer motor.

Tell me about it... I couldn't find a diagram online and didn't really want to just randomly start pulling fuses Pretty sure our mechanic would have accosted me Monday morning

 

[Methius]

Spent a couple hours last evening spreading the sand around inside the foundation walls. Originally, we were going to fill most of it with dirt and cap the last 6" or so with compacted rock. I found a source for 50 yds of clean sand and after last night it appears we have enough to get up to grade without the rock. While I understand that rock would probably be better, but the compaction rate of sand is pretty dang good. Couple that with the impermeable clay that sits below the sand, and I'm pretty comfortable with our decision. Plus, it saves me about $300 in rock costs and $100 in diesel for the truck. The key to this will be the compaction. Which is why I spent an hour or so on the first layer of sand with the jumping jack up against the foundation walls.

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As for the rest of the compaction area, my buddy is bringing his skid steer mounted vibrating roller over tonight. More compaction is better!

Ordered trusses today! 6/12 to match the house, and scissor trusses across half for future loft. Pouring slab on Saturday

 

[Methius]

This week worked on getting the underslab plumbing done for the bathroom, walk-in cooler floor drain and utility sink.

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Fittings, Fittings and more fittings

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Yesterday we finished grading out the sand.

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I realize it's overkill... but I dug out pads for the 2-post lift. Everyone says if you have a 4" slab you don't need to thicken the slab for the lift posts... but I cant help but go overkill. I dug out a 4' x 4' x 2" pit for each post. My lift will be centered at 12' from the garage door entry. I did this for 2 reasons. 1. It gives me enough clearance in the back of the shop for my boat while still giving me access to use the lift when it's in. 2. With my truck on the lift, and I can still close the garage door.

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This is how it sits. Tonight is vapor barrier and tying bar. Pouring slab Thursday.

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[Methius]

Got the vapor barrier down and the bar laid & tied on Monday after work.

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Spent a few hours yesterday drilling some holes in the foundation walls to dowel slab bar into the walls. Drilled in 3" and pounded 1/2" bar into the hole and tied them to the slab grid. Probably overkill, but it only took a couple hours.

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Trucks showed up at 7am this morning. I took the day off work to help out. I'm pretty handy, but concrete is not something that I am accustomed to. My neighbor brought down his brother and dad to help out. Just cost me some cash and pizza for lunch!

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It was in the high 80's today so we had to move pretty fast to get the slab done before it dried.

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Once the power troweling was done, we sprayed the sealer on and let it dry. As soon as it dried, I got out the sprinkler to try to slow the drying process in the hot sun. The kids stayed home with me today, so they were pretty excited to run in the sprinkler!

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Something I used to do as a kid with my parents. Passing on the tradition.

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[92nsx]

Your concrete work looks excellent ! When my guy told me to turn on my sprinkler over my concrete slab I thought he was nuts! But Like you, concrete in not my forte.

 

[NUTTSGT]

This week worked on getting the underslab plumbing done for the bathroom, walk-in cooler floor drain and utility sink.

Walk in cooler ? Like a beer cave ?

 

[Methius]

Your concrete work looks excellent ! When my guy told me to turn on my sprinkler over my concrete slab I thought he was nuts! But Like you, concrete in not my forte.

Thanks! I'm very happy with the results!

Walk in cooler ? Like a beer cave ?

Exactly. It's an 8' x 8' walk-in cooler for beer and wild game. Mostly beer.

 

[bczygan]

Wow! Quite a lot going in just to get ready to frame!

Nice work!

I was wondering where the mountains were in Toledo.....until I realized it was OR, not OH.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Exactly. It's an 8' x 8' walk-in cooler for beer and wild game. Mostly beer.

That's going to be interesting.

 

[bczygan]

8x8 beer cooler......doesn't everyone?

I don't even have a keg!

And a 6pack lasts 6 months!

 

[Methius]

Productive weekend. My buddy and I worked 12 hours days to try to get some wood up.

Saturday morning, we cut the slab to relieve some pressure and to "prevent" cracking. It's already cracked in a couple places, but whatever. Concrete cracks. Period. Once it was cut, we did a quick clean-up before we started framing. My son got involved.

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By Saturday evening, we had 3 wall sections us, and most of 1 more framed and ready.

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It looked HUGE

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Sunday morning we finished up the 2 North wall sections and started on the South wall section. Because half of the shop has scissor trusses (for the loft) we had to frame to the inside pitch of the end truss. This was something neither of us had attempted, but with a calculator and some planning it wasn't too bad. This is what it looked like around 4pm yesterday.

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At 4pm I had a couple guys show up to help raise the walls. The first attempt on the high wall side failed and luckily no-one got hurt. We needed more dudes. At 5:30 pm we had enough guys to attempt it again (6 instead of 4). We had 5 guys on the wall and 1 guy in back with a 20' 2x4 pushing up near the peak. This made a HUGE difference. Success!
IMG_5865 by gloria2002mcs, on Flickr

This was my wife's reaction:
This was my neighbors (not the one helping me build it):
this was mine:

Trusses get delivered Wednesday and we have a ton of work on the front of the building to get ready. Because there is virtually no infrastructure on the front wall, we are going to have to frame the entire thing 1 board at a time. I can't wait.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[Xporter]

This is looking real good!

 

[Methius]

Not much progress this weekend, as we took a few days off to work on the cabin at the lake... but last week was somewhat productive!

The excavator (sans bucket) was JUST tall enough to get the RV door beam in place. We had to put the blade down in the front and it JUST barely made it. Cheaper than a crane, or a broken back.

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Framing is mostly done. We have maybe 30 minutes left to do around the window, but we wanted to get the window in hand before we completed it.

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Trusses were delivered last week, but were dropped off at my neighbors house. He ordered some 60' trusses for another job and had mine delivered at the same time (so I paid $0 for delivery!) and the 60' trusses would not have made it around my driveway. So we had to find a way to get them down.

Scissors laid flat.

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Standards had to be standing up.

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Oversize load! Good thing we were only going 1/4 mile down my driveway!

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[Methius]

Been a couple weeks and haven't done much to the shop. We've been busy with family reunions and such.

Did manage to get the trusses up using our digger derrick truck. It wasn't ideal, but we made it work.

Ready for trusses

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First truss going up. Scissor on one end for the future loft.

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Almost done with the first half, and a good stopping point for the night

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Almost the end of night #2.

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2 long evenings and the trusses were up. The crane wouldnt quite reach the center of the building, so we had to pick the last 8 or so at the first joint. This made trying to swing the end over the building rather difficult but we made do. Not much time in July to work on it except for evenings after work. August is looking a LITTLE better.

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[empa1968]

looking good!

 

[Toolfool]

I'd get those walls sheathed before putting more load on the roof.