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[richeyc2000]

I have a record number 25 that when you close the jaws together just clicks and the handle spins. It won't clamp. Any ideas please chaps?

The flat bar looks bent so when the half nut is suppose to be contacting the thread it's slightly off and that is probably causing the issue.
If you keep spinning the bar and it tightens and then 'click' and it's free again that should be the issue.


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[CwazyWabbit]

I think the flat bar may have been bent by someone forcing the QR handle out to try and stop the slipping. I reckon you'll need to remove the half nut and give the threads a clean out .... It's only two bolts, 5 minute job.

The flat bar will easily untwist using a vice and adjustable spanner

 

[JZiggy]

Catalogue pictures from the 1963 catalogue.





These pictures are from the back of earlier catalogues but appear to show the wording of the previous pictures.





Picture of a No 00 vice label.



EDIT: Apologies for the slightly out of focus pictures, they looked ok on the phone. Sorry

Great, thanks Wabbit!

I'm interested in making a label for my 34P. Maybe the 2nd style of label in the yellow color.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Great, thanks Wabbit!

I'm interested in making a label for my 34P. Maybe the 2nd style of label in the yellow color.

These are the style it shows on a 34



Looks like 3 stickers in total, no idea what the others say.


Will be interesting to see how you get on

 

[JZiggy]

Thanks Wabbit! The Paramo sticker I made turned out pretty good:

These are the kind you soak in water and they slide off and stick where they land, once dry. I actually have more of these of various sizes and some Woden ones if you're interested...

 

[jrobb316]

Thanks. The other Parker 974 I have is surprisingly even better. I started stripping that one down to paint. I'm going to paint the other one and keep it.

I'd like to find a slightly larger swivel base Parker too, but as you said, only if it's clean.

Even a 974 1/2 is surprisingly larger than a 974.

 

[exmaxima1]

Thanks Wabbit! The Paramo sticker I made turned out pretty good:

Your vise looks good, and rare to see that swivel base. I notice the red grease around your spindle----do you find that works well to reduce the wear? Does your spindle ever get a "gritty" feel from lack of lube? I think the spring pre-load is too hard on those vises and forces the lube out....

 

[richeyc2000]

These are the style it shows on a 34







Looks like 3 stickers in total, no idea what the others say.





Will be interesting to see how you get on

Hi CwazyWabbit,
Where did you get the manual / images for the record? I have one of those and would like to find more information about it. Year of manufacture etc.
Its cool to see it in that catalogue.


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[drivesitfar]

JZ: that was really fast and looks great.

Richey: the only thing that saves me when CW posts his catalogs or has Fretter post a link is that i can't find those vises. bee warned those pictures are dangerous and your vice collection will need bigger shelving as GET just showed us. cheers and hope you find something else big, rare or cool.

 

[JZiggy]

Drives: I did the Paramo one while ago, and I had help

exmaxima: To address the very issues you mention, here's my setup:

From left to right -- cotter pin, oilite brass spacer sleeve, a pair of wave washers, and a thrust roller bearing. No lash, gentle spring pressure, and very low friction on all sliding parts. I like the roller bearing so much I pretty much won't use a vise without one installed.

And yes, the bearing does have a bit of red wheel bearing grease on it. On the screw I put blue moly lube, sort of an anti-seize. It made the action very smooth and should minimize wear better than normal grease or oil (just my opinion).

 

[exmaxima1]

Drives: I did the Paramo one while ago, and I had help

exmaxima: To address the very issues you mention, here's my setup:

From left to right -- cotter pin, oilite brass spacer sleeve, a pair of wave washers, and a thrust roller bearing. No lash, gentle spring pressure, and very low friction on all sliding parts. I like the roller bearing so much I pretty much won't use a vise without one installed.

And yes, the bearing does have a bit of red wheel bearing grease on it. On the screw I put blue moly lube, sort of an anti-seize. It made the action very smooth and should minimize wear better than normal grease or oil (just my opinion).

Thank you very much for the pics! One more question: did you sandwich the roller thrust bearing with steel washers, or did you install just the cage directly between the spindle & front jaw? I see that the roller cages are sold separately from the washers, and not sure if needed in this application.

Thanks, and great job!

 

[drivesitfar]

JZ: sorry i forgot you were asking about a Record. Paramo and Record look so close that i have a hard time telling them apart until i see the name. here's maybe a picture of a Record with a sticker that might help you unless it's too new. the bigger one on guess who's stump didn't have a sticker and it was like new and the little DP vise with brass jaws is now on another member's bench and i do like the name cast on it.

cheers and are you trying to do the Record label yourself? Jake and Balane seem to have the label making skills in case you might have a question.

 

[JZiggy]

The roller bearing absolutely does need a pair of flat-ground and hardened washers to go on either side of it. They should be listed along with the bearings in any catalog (like McMaster).

The thin ones (1/32" i think) work fine. In some rare instances, if the bearing surface of the spindle is significantly smaller than the OD of washer, you need to use the thick washer (1/8"). I learned this the hard way on another vise... the spindle was worn down so only a small area around the ID contacted the washer and it cracked it. All is well with the thick washer. These hardened washers are quite brittle.

 

[PWRstroke_smoke]

traded my old greenberg fire hydrant for this vise parker 384 1/2 4.5" wide jaws

 

[JZiggy]

Drives - thanks! That's a newer style Record and sticker. Still like those ones too

Interesting differences between Record and Paramo in the 60's machinist style version like the one I pictured 1) The Paramo has a cast-in nut, which is nice because it is always aligned and 2) The Paramo tends to be heavier. My 6" Paramo is 105# and the identical 6" Record with swivel is more like 80#.

 

[bagged89s10]

traded my old greenberg fire hydrant for this vise parker 384 1/2 4.5" wide jaws

Nice trade! I'm getting a smaller 383-1/2 tomorrow.

The pin is for the swivel jaw. Once removed, the jaw will swivel allowing you to clamp onto an irregular shaped object. Let the pin soak in penetrant for a few days or longer then try to free it.

 

[bagged89s10]

Veeps, I'll hook you up. I go to the local scrapyard and they save them for me. 3.00 for a handful. Some are super thin.

Thanks Joe

 

[exmaxima1]

The roller bearing absolutely does need a pair of flat-ground and hardened washers to go on either side of it. They should be listed along with the bearings in any catalog (like McMaster).

The thin ones (1/32" i think) work fine. In some rare instances, if the bearing surface of the spindle is significantly smaller than the OD of washer, you need to use the thick washer (1/8"). I learned this the hard way on another vise... the spindle was worn down so only a small area around the ID contacted the washer and it cracked it. All is well with the thick washer. These hardened washers are quite brittle.

Thanks again!!

 

[PWRstroke_smoke]

its swiveling!

 

[va.grouseman]

Even a 974 1/2 is surprisingly larger than a 974.

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And a 972 1/2 is surprisingly smaller.















But surprisingly larger than the 2000s.





But none of them are a 978.---I want a 978.

 

[balane]

Would you trade all three of those for a 978?

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Hi CwazyWabbit,
Where did you get the manual / images for the record? I have one of those and would like to find more information about it. Year of manufacture etc.
Its cool to see it in that catalogue.


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I picked up 3 Record catalogues last year, No 14 and No 16 pocket editions and the No 17 full size hard back.

No 14 Copyright 1935
No 16 Copyright 1950
No 17 Copyright 1963

The full size hard back has much nicer pictures than the small pocket editions.

Which Record do you have?

 

[bagged89s10]

Was this Wilton 930 a good buy for $20

 

[Craptain]

Any Wilton in almost any condition is worth at least $20 in my opinion.

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[Craptain]

Any Wilton in almost any condition is worth at least $20 in my opinion.

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You did buy it didn't you ?

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[va.grouseman]

Horrible deal Bagged.---I just feel terrible for you.---But you are a survivor.---Be strong.


You lucky dog.

 

[bagged89s10]

You did buy it didn't you ?

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Yes I bought it.

My question was being sarcastic. Lol

 

[bagged89s10]

Horrible deal Bagged.---I just feel terrible for you.---But you are a survivor.---Be strong.





You lucky dog.

I spent my lunch money. Lol

 

[Craptain]

Yes I bought it.

My question was being sarcastic. Lol

My post was a little tongue in cheek. Should have used smiley thingies.

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[Blue Frog]

My latest vise. All you lookers for big vises can skip over this one that I received today - pictured as received - as close to NOS as one can expect. I'll polish tomorrow!














Any other hand vise after this one will probably be ignored.


Blue

 

[bagged89s10]

My latest vise. All you lookers for big vises can skip over this one that I received today - pictured as received - as close to NOS as one can expect. I'll polish tomorrow!














Any other hand vise after this one will probably be ignored.


Blue

That's pretty sweet and handy.

 

[joe.striper]

Speaking of small vises....I have been visiting clients in VTwhen I stopped at the Quechee Antique Mall today in Central VT (where I NEVER buy anything because I'm cheap) when I found this beauty. Early Reed 202 1/2, 2.5" with a 4 footed base. It is in really beautiful condition. Going to restore it this weekend. Bagged said I should paint it purple. ...some People!

This is a wooden vise made like a metal vise, $65

Here are a few pics of the mall booths.

Finally my reward for a grueling two days, 3 lbs of Prime Rib.

 

[bagged89s10]

Speaking of small vises....I have been visiting clients in VTwhen I stopped at the Quechee Antique Mall today in Central VT (where I NEVER buy anything because I'm cheap) when I found this beauty. Early Reed 202 1/2, 2.5" with a 4 footed base. It is in really beautiful condition. Going to restore it this weekend. Bagged said I should paint it purple. ...some People!

This is a wooden vise made like a metal vise, $65

Here are a few pics of the mall booths.

Finally my reward for a grueling two days, 3 lbs of Prime Rib.

Nice Joe! Purple, well you do like weird colors. I prefer bright red, your favorite. Haha. That place looks pretty cool to go to even if you don't end up buying anything!

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Joe, I see you didn't spend your lunch money like bagged did

VA, I wish you wouldn't keep showing that little Parker. That's the one I want but I wouldn't trade my 978 for it as Balane suggested.

 

[bagged89s10]

So I was just making a base so when I sell and ship this Parker it's easier. These old parkers with the gusset which makes you cut your workbench was not a good design. I decided to make some radiused cuts rather than a boring square block. Tossed it in my craftsman stand I picked up today for fun. I really just made it to get an idea on how to mount my Parker No. 2.

 

[balane]

That's a striking and handsome setup bagged. Nice work on everything.

 

[topop101]

So I was just making a base so when I sell and ship this Parker it's easier. These old parkers with the gusset which makes you cut your workbench was not a good design. I decided to make some radiused cuts rather than a boring square block. Tossed it in my craftsman stand I picked up today for fun. I really just made it to get an idea on how to mount my Parker No. 2.

ATA BOY

 

[topop101]

So I'm digging into this lil bull dog 90 and noticed this on the lead screw. Wondering if any one has seen this before or if it was done after market???

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by GETRIDAONE.

VA, I wish you wouldn't keep showing that little Parker. That's the one I want but I wouldn't trade my 978 for it as Balane suggested.
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I want that 978.---That 978 I say!

 

[drivesitfar]

TOP: pretty sure that is factory from Prentiss. A gentle reminder to put some oil on your screw if you didn't have a 55 gallon drum full of that grease they used to use.