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Why can't I seem to find a torture test for any Snap On, Mac, etc. high end tools? I was just curious how they compare to cheaper brands but it seems that they are never included in any tests. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, or maybe they are too nice to abuse, but you would think the manufacturers would want to show off how much better they are or the lower tier manufacturers would want to show that they are just as good. Am I wrong?
 
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There was a thread here in the last few days that tested to destruction.

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I can't think of any individual who would want to deliberately destroy tools:evil:

To me, tools that are consumables like like drills, taps, cordless tools, cutting pliers, impact sockets are things I would like to see and have seen. My old workplace uses Gühring, Sandvik, and Seco machinists tooling and they last way longer than any of the discount stuff.

I would love to see the reliability of Snap-On cordless vs IR cordless.
 
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Its probably because you can buy a full set of wrenches from craftsman, kobalt, husky, hf , ect for less that one so.
 
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Its probably because you can buy a full set of wrenches from craftsman, kobalt, husky, hf , ect for less that one so.

True, but you would think that Craftsman, Kobalt, Etc. would want to show how their tools compare. Or atleast an outside reviewer such as Hot Rod magazine, etc. They did one not long ago but their sample was pretty sad and they didn't include any top manufacturers.
 

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It's the low enders that should do it to show dollar for dollar value. The Big Boys prove themselves day in and day out in industry and military. The vast majority of it won't fail due to a humans physical capabilities. The pieces that may are titled" for low torque applications" to cover their asses.
Morons can break anything. My old man told me I could destroy a bowling ball :sad:
The higher end tools that fail vanish soon (think Proto Big Dawg). High end companies self cull.
Just don't be the first idiot to run out and pre-order to get the latest toy. Speaking of which, where is that lineup of Mac 90 teeth rats and SK's newfangled ratcheting wrenches ?
My guess is they can't get them right yet so they know better than to flood the mkt. with nonsense just for the sake of meeting a deadline or "supposed" release date.
 

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In terms of brute strength, that's not what makes Snap-On special. Where Snap-On shines is making something that's well balanced in your hand, it's thin to get in tight places, sockets have tighter tolerances, ratchets are finer. If you use Snap-On you tend to appreciate it. You'll say "there's no way this is worth that much more than brand-X" and then you'll use it and decide that yes it is in fact worth that much more than brand-X.
 

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It may be because you pay do much for it no one is willing to intentionally destroy it

Plus, what would it really prove? It's great that you can put a Mack truck on a toolbox, but what does that show you in the real world?

How about showing how they are a better value for the money and cost less to use/operate/own than a cheaper tool?
 

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So they put some Snap-On up against a bunch of **** the majority of the planet never heard of. YAY :willy_nil

Well it isn't published in the US so if you never heard of KTC, Stahwille, Hazet, Bahco is quite normal. I am pretty sure they wouldn't want to touch any of our Craftsman made in China tools.
 

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Well it isn't published in the US so if you never heard of KTC, Stahwille, Hazet, Bahco is quite normal. I am pretty sure they wouldn't want to touch any of our Craftsman made in China tools.
Outside of Planet Happy Meal as long as it has a Merikin name everyone assumes it's USA and charges accordingly :shocking: LOL
For Sale": Chicago Electric drill ! USA ! Industrial !!!
FS: Amco ***. American !!!
Neiko USA ! USA !!!
Sad but true.
OH. I actually own a little of all those(mostly over-rated) brands but I have toolosis, an incurable mental disease transmitted by a certain online forum that shall remain unnamed.:pimpflash
 

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Just don't be the first idiot to run out and pre-order to get the latest toy. Speaking of which, where is that lineup of Mac 90 teeth rats and SK's newfangled ratcheting wrenches ?
My guess is they can't get them right yet so they know better than to flood the mkt. with nonsense just for the sake of meeting a deadline or "supposed" release date.

I have a Mac 90-tooth ratchet sitting in the tool box right now, it has been there for about a month. Our driver always has a few in stock and has for a while. The limited amount of time I have used mine it has been nice.
 
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I can't think of any individual who would want to deliberately destroy tools:evil:

To me, tools that are consumables like like drills, taps, cordless tools, cutting pliers, impact sockets are things I would like to see and have seen.. .

A few days ago I had to grind the tip off a drill and then a tap .
I've also ground safe edges on files but thats it.
Don't think I'd mess up a wrench or a ratchet unless I really had to .
 

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So they put some Snap-On up against a bunch of **** the majority of the planet never heard of. YAY :willy_nil

Join date September 2015? That explains it...
Grasshopper...now you're a member of GJ you WILL read of these brands. You may stop referring to them as "****". You might even find yourself asking where to buy some of them. Welcome to the darkside.:lol:
 

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Why can't I seem to find a torture test for any Snap On, Mac, etc. high end tools? I was just curious how they compare to cheaper brands but it seems that they are never included in any tests. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, or maybe they are too nice to abuse, but you would think the manufacturers would want to show off how much better they are or the lower tier manufacturers would want to show that they are just as good. Am I wrong?

They have spent 95 years running there tools thru torture tests, marketing and payment plans only go so far, if your selling Junk, your soon to be out of business with today's competition.
 

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They have spent 95 years running there tools thru torture tests, marketing and payment plans only go so far, if your selling Junk, your soon to be out of business with today's competition.

Isn't the use of them every day holding up for years (as with any quality tool) the only torture test you need?

If you made the investment, and the tool has given you good service and you still have it, it's done a good job.
 

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Isn't the use of them every day holding up for years (as with any quality tool) the only torture test you need?

If you made the investment, and the tool has given you good service and you still have it, it's done a good job.

I would say Yes, but I didn't start this thread so maybe a redirection is in order. The thing is, People like seeing carnage, they want to see a tool pushed well above what the manufacturers intended it for, thus they can have something to complain or cheer about. I don't get all the "torture test" chatter, there are many brands that are capable of matching Snap on in regards to quality, Sadly most associate the price point as a tools worth/quality, they blindly or purposely forget that there are a lot of costs that go into getting the product to there mechanics they are marketed towards. It's a service that Many want, yet don't actually need, and when they don't want to pay they want to argue Value. Who would have ever thought tool brand discussion could be so complicated? :wtf:
 

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One reason for the torture test is that it promotes confidence in that if the tool survived some horrendous torque load with a pipe or robot arm on it then it is unlikely to break and cause me to hurt myself when I am using it by hand without a pipe or such on it.
That spark plug getter sure has thin walls but it really made the plugs a lot easier to get out/replaced!
 

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One reason for the torture test is that it promotes confidence in that if the tool survived some horrendous torque load with a pipe or robot arm on it then it is unlikely to break and cause me to hurt myself when I am using it by hand without a pipe or such on it.
That spark plug getter sure has thin walls but it really made the plugs a lot easier to get out/replaced!

The thing is, most of today's tools are capable handling loads well within reason, then again... Every once in awhile you will encounter a QC fault. Does that mean that particular brand or tool is junk? The best confidence builder for me is repeated use of a brand/particular tool. Case and point, I like many started out with Craftsman tools, including the dreaded Raised Panel Wrenches and Ratchets, completed 2 frame of Restorations and then joined this place only to learn that they are extremely uncomfortable and too short to ever accomplish anything. I'll happily admit, once started broadening my horizon I quickly came to the conclusion that maybe there is something to ergonomics. Does the guy wrenching on Sat and Sunday afternoon understand this? What about the guy wrenching 50-60 hours a week. There is a difference..
 

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Isn't the use of them every day holding up for years (as with any quality tool) the only torture test you need?

If you made the investment, and the tool has given you good service and you still have it, it's done a good job.

Well said. :thumbup:
 

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At the end of the day, just about any tool these days will far exceed ANSE strength standards.
 
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I'll happily admit, once started broadening my horizon I quickly came to the conclusion that maybe there is something to ergonomics. Does the guy wrenching on Sat and Sunday afternoon understand this? What about the guy wrenching 50-60 hours a week. There is a difference..

well said :thumbup:


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I like tests like this.
Ultimate strength does matter, albeit in varying degree depending on the tool. And it's a breath of fresh air to finally get some number to crunch instead of endless testimonies and opinions about tools. Here is something actually close to a FACT for a change! (if you believe the test was done properly and honestly)

Lets take for example hex keys and bit sockets where strength is rather big factor in overall usefulness of the tool - at least if you are dealing with stuck fasteners. This test gives you the magic number, and hardness as well. Speaks volume about said tools.

Breaker bars, similar story.

Wrenches and ratchets are not as clear cut, there all kids of thing come into play, like ergonomics, fit, finish, shape .. whatever. However the final torque number combined with size and shape of the tool gives you at least some idea about material quality. AND it gives you idea what certain wrench or ratchet can take. Recent stress test on cheap 1/2 drive ratchets showing they can take over 700 lb/ft has changed how I view and use 1/2 ratchets - I didn't know they come that far. So again valuable information.

As for screwdrivers again the numbers are interesting. In the test linked above what stands out is how similar they are. If nothing else that's interesting all by itself. Case in point; you are probably not missing much if you find cheap drivers with handles you like and tips that work -- compared to the more fashionable brands that cost several times more.

So yes, great fun and very interesting test.
I want more! :beer:
 
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I think it's probably the same reason people don't care for safety ratings and MPG numbers on exotic cars, they do what they do and they do it very very well BUT you pay the price.
 
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