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Please post up your shop size, either in square footage or rough dimensions...........and also what BTU your NG heater is

I know there are insulation and climate factors, which I am not wanting to know

SHOP SIZE:
BTU:

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24' X 24' and a 50,000 BTU Mr. Heater. Takes twenty minutes to forty minutes to come up to set point depending on outside temperatures. Cycles every fifteen minutes for five minutes or so from that point on. Probably a bit over sized for space. Rhys.
 

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Ok thanks for clarifying, so you don't know how well the 25k heats 400 sq feet?

My buddies nephew is in the hvac business & recommended the size. I'm sure hope it's sized right. lol

My house has a 2 stage furnace and first stage is 27,000 btu, heats 1000 sqft plus basement with no problem House has more window square footage and less wall insulation
 

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80k propane Mr. Heater Big Maxx. 30x40x10 with 3 inches of rigid foam in the roof and 1.5 inches of rigid foam in the walls with an additional 3.5 inches of fiberglass in the walls. Heats it really well.
 

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I have a 24X36 garage/shop with an 8 foot ceiling. I have a Hot Dawg 60,000 BTU vented heater which I turn down to 50 degrees when I am not working out there.
 

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24x28 garage, no windows, 16x8 insulated garage door, 1 man door. very well insulated. got a 45k modine hot dawg. wanted a 35 but the 45 was on sale at the time.
 

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My buddies nephew is in the hvac business & recommended the size. I'm sure hope it's sized right. lol

My house has a 2 stage furnace and first stage is 27,000 btu, heats 1000 sqft plus basement with no problem House has more window square footage and less wall insulation

I used 17K BU to heat 400 sq/ft insulated, so not a problem IMHO.
 
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24x28 garage, no windows, 16x8 insulated garage door, 1 man door. very well insulated. got a 45k modine hot dawg. wanted a 35 but the 45 was on sale at the time.

How well does the 45k heat up that size garage? Seems like a ton of BTU for that size area
 

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32x40x12 = 1280sqft
R20 walls, R40 ceiling, no slab/concrete insulation. Insulated R12 overhead doors and modern energy efficient (nothing fancy) windows.
80,000BTU Mr. Heater Big Max NG
Canadian Winters

I have more than enough heat. The 50,000BTU model would have done the job but I like to turn heat low until I'm in the shop and wanted it to heat quickly. It'll bring the temp up 25*F in 1hr.

For the record: BTU is BTU, it doesn't matter what fuel is used.
 

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How much propane does that 80k eat?

http://www.arvadarentalls.com/propaneformula.php

"To determine how long a specific propane powered heater will operate on a bottle of propane, use the following formula:

****NOTE: Propane burns at the rate of approximately 21,000 BTU per pound.****

21,000 (times) bottle capacity in pounds (divided by) heater rating in BTU's.

For example:

21,000 x 100 lb / 250,000 BTU = 2,100,000 / 250,000 (or) 8.4 hours of run time.
(or)
21,000 x 20 lb / 35,000 BTU = 420,000 / 35,000 (or) 12 hours of run time.

It is important to size a heater and bottle properly. Propane stores in a bottle as a liquid, converting to a gas as it is dispensed. This conversion causes a huge temperature drop in the liquid as it evaporates into a gas inside the bottle. A 250,000 BTU construction heater connected to a 20 lb capacity Bar-B-Q bottle will attempt to draw fuel from the bottle so fast that this vaporization will freeze the liquid propane into a solid, thus stopping the conversion from liquid to gas. This can happen in very little time. It is much less likely to occur in a larger 100 lb capacity construction bottle, due to the fact that the larger thermal masss of the liquid in a full cylinder tends to hold it's temperature better."
 

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50,000BTU Mr Heater Big Maxx

Probably oversized for the space but I'm not cold ;)

Once I got the thermostat settings right so it wouldn't short cycle, it works great!
 

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Per ASHRAE estimation standards:

Estimated heating load (MBH): 1.5 to 2.5 MBH per 100 s.f.


minimum for 400sf would be 400/100 = 4 * 1.5 = 6 MBH 6,000 btu

maximum for 400 sf would be 4 * 2.5 = 10 MBH 10,000 btu
 

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24' X 24' and a 50,000 BTU Mr. Heater. Takes twenty minutes to forty minutes to come up to set point depending on outside temperatures. Cycles every fifteen minutes for five minutes or so from that point on. Probably a bit over sized for space. Rhys.


"Probably a bit oversized" ... this has to be the Understatement of the new year...
 

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I have a 24X36 garage/shop with an 8 foot ceiling. I have a Hot Dawg 60,000 BTU vented heater which I turn down to 50 degrees when I am not working out there.

Since I am in northern IL and my garage is near the same size - mind sharing what you spend per month on average over the winter leaving the garage at 50?
 
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35' x 19' x 9' ceilings ( 665 sq ft)

75,000 BTU Modine Hot Dawg


I saw most sites recommend 20k per car garage. (ex: 60k for 3 car)

I have about 3.5 almost 4 car so I got the 75k because it was only $40 more than the 60k.
 
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I am leaning towards a 45,000 BTU heater.......but might upside to 60,000

I have a long and narrow shop, about 16x65

NW Indiana
Walls insulated

Front and back insulated garage doors, one is 7' tall and the other is 8" tall

Walls are about 9' tall with open ceiling to an uninsulated roof
 
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30x30x14.5
Two 10x12 rollup doors

R14 walls
R60 ceiling
Airtight, finished 5/8 type X

45k schwank tube heater.
2 ton mr slim AC

I live in southern ontario. Gets pretty cold
 

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Since I am in northern IL and my garage is near the same size - mind sharing what you spend per month on average over the winter leaving the garage at 50?
I can tell you what I pay to heat the garage on a month to month basis, but the cost is dependent on a lot of factors. How cold it is, how often I am working out there and turning up the heat, how high do I turn it up when I am out there, is the wind blowing, how much insulation is the walls and ceiling, things like that make a big difference in heating costs.

The cost for November (I haven't gotten a bill for December yet) was a little less than $18 for the month, but that includes the $10 per month meter charge, so the actual cost for heat was slightly over $8 in November. The biggest bill I ever got was $38 and that was for last year, and it also includes the meter charge. But I don't work out there all day every day either so please keep that in mind. There are weeks at a time when I don't even go into the garage, it all depends on if I have a project going or not. Well, I do go into the garage to make sure everything is working OK (heater, refrigerator, etc) and then I lock it back up.

With the price of natural gas being what it is, the cost of heating the garage is very minimal. If I were to use another form of energy for heat, the cost per month would be quite a bit higher, especially if I were to work out there a lot more than what I do. But with a well insulated garage the cost to heat it using natural gas is minimal.
 

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Since I am in northern IL and my garage is near the same size - mind sharing what you spend per month on average over the winter leaving the garage at 50?

Same size shop with 9 ft ceilings same heat size but in central Wisconsin. I do not know the cost to heat as it get power and NG from the house. I can say it not cost prohibitive and not noticed in the overall utilities.

My shop is very well insulated. In the summer on the warmer days, the temp never getting above 75*. ( doors and windows are not opened for longer periods)
 

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Please post up your shop size, either in square footage or rough dimensions...........and also what BTU your NG heater is

I know there are insulation and climate factors, which I am not wanting to know

SHOP SIZE:
BTU:

THANKS!

I don't for the life of me understand why you posted your question like you did. First, like has already been stated, BTU is the same whether NG or Propane. Takes the same size furnace.

And then, not wanting to know how the building in particular is insulated (which it looks like everyone is providing that info anyway) makes no sense. Someone with a minimal amount of insulation (or none like some here) makes a hell of a lot of difference compared to one that is properly insulated.

As far as my setup, a Beacon-Morris 75,000 BTU PROPANE heater.
The building is 42x72, with 14' ceiling. There is a 12x32 apartment occupying some of that space, so the true sq ft is 2416. The walls have R38 and the ceiling is about R65. The walls have house wrap. There's 3 small windows. There's 3 ceiling fans.

Today we were installing drywall on the walls. It started out this morning at 8 deg F. It kept getting cooler until we quit at 4, and it was 3F. It was 65F in the shed all day. The heater cycled through out the day.

Hope this helps.
 

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36X25 shop. two 30K btu Dearborns. two 100lb bottles will last me all winter. of course winter here is very short and mild, but I'm kinda cold natured so it stays warm in the shop every weekend.
 

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My shop is a 26 X 36 with 12 foot ceilings. I have a 75k modine and it works great. keep it heated to 50 all the time and 65 when working in there.
 
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I found this generic calculator for BTUs:

Divide your total square footage by 200, and then multiply your answer by 9,000 to determine the BTU requirements for an uninsulated garage. Multiply by 6,000 instead of 9,000 if your garage is insulated.

If my shop is 1,000 sq feet, this methods shows I should look for a 45,000 BTU rated heater for insulated and 30,000 BTU for non-insulated
 

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Mr. Heater MHU50 50,000 Btu Natural Gas Big Maxx Compact Unit Heater - F260550

http://www.gasheaterstore.com/Mr-He...-Maxx-Compact-Unit-Heater--F260550_p_573.html

Odd........this says "Heats up to 700 sq. ft."

Then, when jumping to an 80,000 BTU unit:

http://www.gasheaterstore.com/Heats...ter--NG-LP-Conversion-Kit-Included_p_653.html

Heats up to 1000 sq. ft.

I think that ad's info is borked. The formula that you posted previously actually comes out pretty good. If you look at other manufacturer's info, the formula comes close to what they say.:thumbup:
 

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NE IL (1 hr south of Chicago) 30x36, 10' walls, R19 in the walls none in ceiling, and I am running a Modine 100K BTU unit heater (not separate combustion type) and outside temps in single digits, I cannot get it to 60 inside today. I will say though that 1/2 of the garage attic is solidly subfloored front to back (side with heater) other side is work in progress.... I will have to do some kind of tray ceiling on that side so that I can extend the height that my 2 post lift can lift a car.. I cannot presently lift many cars to where I can stand up beneath them. I know that once I get the ceiling/attic floor done it will be better... but I still expected more from 100K BTU. (that's 80K BTU output)
oh; forgot to say; this is completely detatched from house, there is 10' between garage wall and house wall.. garage is on the east side of house both are facing south.
I have a 100K BTU counterflow (downdraft) furnace in the house which is nearly 1400 sq ft and is plenty....
 
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26x38 and 75000 of those other BTU's. Just curious but why would you care what the BTU's are produced with?
 

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30 x 40 x 10H with R13 walls and R46 ceiling, uninsulated concrete slab with 100K BTU Reznor sealed combustion. Every morning heater brings temp from 45 to 65 in about 30 min if subzero, then runs 10 min every hour to keep it heated. Open garage door and the shop deep freezes, but the heater brings it up immediately. There are executives at that gas company making toasts every time the heater turns on. I estimate it costs me $100 - $150 a month to heat my shop during the coldest months to 65 with that heater. Set it to 50F in warm 20-30 weather and the heater hardly ever runs
 

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22' x 22' with 9' ceilings located in Minnesota. 6" insulated wall cavities with 12" attic insulation. I have a 125,000 btu Dayton (fuel-trimmer) hanging heater. I know it's crazy overkill but my sisters boyfriend got it for me new from Grainger at a scratch and dent sale for $150. I couldn't pass it up. I installed a low set thermostat that reads from 32-70 degrees. I've been running it for a good 10/12 years now. I wish I could fit the "Green" hinges on my garage door but the hole pattern doesn't match.
 
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