The VISES of Garage Journal

[Evergreentree]

Here's a bottom shot of the Parker no 3 with this odd "nubbin" on the underside of the dynamic jaw support. Anybody have an idea what it's purpose is? It looks original to me. Haven't removed the dynamic jaw yet. Don't know if the answer will be revealed when I do.

 

[joe.striper]

Joe
Are the tapered pins you are buying #5's?.....I see Grainger has #5 pins that fall into the size range Dr. Scott mentioned.....BTW, when you are in Binghamton, run up to Rochester and I'll buy you lunch......
Hemi

Hemi, i'll be seeing clients up that way soon. Pm me with your email and we can chat.

 

[jakemac]

Here's a bottom shot of the Parker no 3 with this odd "nubbin" on the underside of the dynamic jaw support. Anybody have an idea what it's purpose is? It looks original to me. Haven't removed the dynamic jaw yet. Don't know if the answer will be revealed when I do.

Here's a shot in the dark (I'm sure it's wrong), perhaps that nub was used to lock into the top of a post. It would give support to the shelf and transfer the shock of hammering to the ground, much like a blacksmiths leg vise (just not as well).

 

[zkling]

Z, you are the reason I just bought a surface grindef!!!!

I'm flattered. I may have gone with a mill first, but the grinder will get you there.

 

[Evergreentree]

Jake-that's a neat feature if that's the answer. Not like it'd use it like that, but this vise has very tight clearances, absolutely no jaw racking or slide lifting. I could see how it could be used like that...

 

[bagged89s10]

I like reaming the .203 13/64 holes to a 1/4 inch and then give a light knurl on the top of the pin for a light press fit. The ones in my picture will be smoothed down a little for a .001-.002 press fit. Then they are secure. I use a Hand Knurler in my wood lathe that I fit a chuck to, could get away with chucking it up in a drill press but it might slip. Or reaming the hole .001 under size and polish the round stock for the right press. Most hardware stores carry 1/4 soft rods.

I like that idea. Up until now, I had only removed and replaced jaws on newer Parkers which has rolled pins.

Now this 955 I have, looks to have brass pins.

Am I right?

 

[bagged89s10]

So I helped fix a guys Parker 203 today. Somehow he cracked the collar and luckily I had one that worked. He sent me pics of his 2 Parkers. Real cool guy who owns a 32 ford, and a fellow Buffalo Bills fan!

 

[Outlawmws]

Bagged, are the pins magnetic?

 

[bagged89s10]

Bagged, are the pins magnetic?

I didn't check.

 

[macgee]

Mac, are you hand painting the hammered paint on?

Outlaw, I spray not brush. I would never be able to get that glossy top coat with a brush.

MAC: how are you PRE HEATING your vise up to 120 degrees before painting it? i do like painting my hammered spray paint in about 70-80 degree weather, but keeping it that warm at night without heat in a shop is my issue. i like the idea of the little SMOKERS, but was thinking an oven like this might be better for the BIG vises and i'll have to do some measuring.

thanks and again AWESOME paint job

Drive,

When it's a hot heat wave day where I live, I just leave the vise outside cooking in the sun for about three hours, I use a cooking thermostat to measure temp on the inside to make sure the whole mass of metal is up to temp. It doesn't take long; it can also get way too hot to touch. Remember, I reserve my painting days for 90 degree's or hotter no wind days.

Macgee,
As to Hammerite, I know you said midgreen but boy does that look like light blue on my monitor. Here are pics of some of the Hammerite colors in the flesh in this order:

Mid Green - 3.5" Reed
Dark Blue (my favorite) - Parker 824
Solid red - Stanley Sweetheart vise
Dark Green - 7" Reed
Black - Wilton 9300
Light Blue (2nd favorite) - Wilton 9300

Those vise's look good, my wilton doesn't look too far off from your mid green Reed.

It maybe just the monitor showing it blue but it's a green, I will say the color really changes to lighter color after I can get the heavy swirl pattern.

I will have to say it's not for the faint hearted trying to get this type of look on compound curves which Wilton's and other vises have a lot of. You really have to be on your toes and know how to deal with heavy coats keeping them from flowing. If you can't and loose it be prepared to strip it down again and start from bare metal if you loose control. A drippy paint job is not flattering. I have found spraying in the sun on super hot days greatly helps the control.

Also having a rotating jig similar to what you would use to roast a pig, plus also being able to tilt the tips (front and back) up and down 45°.

Great job milling the anvil areas and keeping edges crisp, essential to a proper restoration IMHO.

Thanks Z,

That is the most fun part but it is nervous work, if you mess up there's no really fixing it except on the anvil. That FPU was a big challenge, the jaws and anvil area was surfaced hardened which I didn't clue into before doing a couple of head scratches wondering what was going on with my cutter while first trying to clean up the surfaces but I am happy with how well it cleaned up. Those FPU's are very solid vises (bomb proof). I had to finish the work on a large Cincinnati mill, which was not fun to tram back in after doing the angle on top of the jaws.

I wished I had a better set up like Kevin but then again I think everybody would love to have his shop and talent.

 

[macgee]

One of the hardest jobs I had with a vise is one I didn't repaint.

When I found this vise, I could not tell it was orange and it took ages cleaning it with just simple green and a nylon brush so not to loose any of the orange paint. I'm sad I sold it, it was a beautiful little vise and loved the fact that it still had the original vivid color. It sat in a warehouse untouched for almost 50 years but absolutely covered in black grime and dried grease and frozen closed.

 

[bagged89s10]

My name is bagged, and I'm a Parker viseaholic.

I think these are all 11 complete Parkers I currently own.
22x
955
204
2
383-1/2
974
823-1/2
804


433-1/2

953-1/2

49x


I've also owned 2 more Parker 974, a Parker no. 33, another 955, a 474, and a 975, all which I bought and sold in the past year.

Other than the Parkers, I have an American scale, 4 reeds, an athol, 2 Columbians, a heuer, Oswego, rock island, a rock island made craftsman, a littlestown, and a Wilton.

I've also bought and sold 7 Wiltons, an athol, and 2 Reeds this year.

Just to think, the only vise I owned at the beginning of 2015 was a import Wilton.

Damn that's 41 vises which I've bought in a year. Plus maybe 4 parts vises.

My goal this year is to sell more than I buy.

 

[Outlawmws]

My name is bagged, and I'm a Parker viseaholic.


My goal this year is to sell more than I buy.

Hmm, would you happen to know a guy name of "Drives"?

 

[va.grouseman]

Originally Posted by bagged89s10 View Post
My name is bagged, and I'm a Parker viseaholic.

My goal this year is to sell more than I buy.
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We all need dreams.---For inspiration.---But they're just dreams.

 

[topop101]

My goal this year is to sell more than I buy. [/QUOTE]

Nonsense...

 

[topop101]

Here's a bottom shot of the Parker no 3 with this odd "nubbin" on the underside of the dynamic jaw support. Anybody have an idea what it's purpose is? It looks original to me. Haven't removed the dynamic jaw yet. Don't know if the answer will be revealed when I do.

Support post...? Like a post vise to the floor.

 

[KMScott]

I like that idea. Up until now, I had only removed and replaced jaws on newer Parkers which has rolled pins.

Now this 955 I have, looks to have brass pins.

Am I right?

Looks like brass, it will work if you like how it looks. Stainless is another soft material, look how it compressed and deformed when removing. Just about any material will work, I feel brass and 300 series Stainless is to soft.

You are in Parker heaven where you live Veeps. Nice collection you own.

 

[autopts]

This is a new round channel Palmgrem Machinist vise. It's similar to the bullet except these have a Octagon shaped bar instead of the keyway so it locks in 8 different areas. The upgrades are something Wilton should take note of. Its got 6" wide jaws. 60,000 tensile

 

[Outlawmws]

Is that slide Octagon, or round with 4 flats? It doesn't look flat on all sides...

 

[macgee]

My name is bagged, and I'm a Parker viseaholic.


My goal this year is to sell more than I buy.

I think I found a typo, let me fix that for you:

" My goal this year is to buy more than I sell. "

 

[autopts]

Is that slide Octagon, or round with 4 flats? It doesn't look flat on all sides...

Outlaw They call it round however there are matching flat spots in the housing. The back housing looks round. The Dynamic is heavier then the body. No, play, Its going on the auction block tomorrow.

 

[Shiftless]

Bagged:
You know when you posted such a ridiculous pledge you were gonna catch a lot of s..t

 

[Provincial]

Regarding Parker jaw pins:

I measured up the pins in my 974-1/2 and this is the result:

Diameter: Top - .213 Bottom - .200 Length: 1.375
Taper: .1164/foot included

I checked the holes and they matched these dimensions.

The pins seem to be made of soft steel, about the same as a "sinker" nail.

 

[topop101]

This is a new round channel Palmgrem Machinist vise. It's similar to the bullet except these have a Octagon shaped bar instead of the keyway so it locks in 8 different areas. The upgrades are something Wilton should take note of. Its got 6" wide jaws. 60,000 tensile

How is the swivel lock designed?

 

[GETRIDAONE]

I like that idea. Up until now, I had only removed and replaced jaws on newer Parkers which has rolled pins.

Now this 955 I have, looks to have brass pins.

Am I right?

The second pin up looks original and the other three look like old screws to me.

I broke all the rules with the pins on the 974 I just finished. I drove them out from the top coming out the bottom. They were in good shape so just cleaned and turned them upside down and drove them back in. Filing the tops down is a little nerve racking trying to avoid a file slip. There not perfect but I'm OK with the way they came out.

 

[bagged89s10]

All you guys are funny. Do you not think I can have control?

 

[bagged89s10]

The second pin up looks original and the other three look like old screws to me.



I broke all the rules with the pins on the 974 I just finished. I drove them out from the top coming out the bottom. They were in good shape so just cleaned and turned them upside down and drove them back in. Filing the tops down is a little nerve racking trying to avoid a file slip. There not perfect but I'm OK with the way they came out.

Looks good to me!

I've always driven them out coming out the top, at least the few times I have taken the pins out. I did try to tap them from the top once and they didn't budge for me.

 

[joe.striper]

Bagged:
You know when you posted such a ridiculous pledge you were gonna catch a lot of s..t

Veeps has NO self control...BUT he has a new job sooooio. All I know is he's goung to be going to be missing a month during prime vise season!!!!!

 

[bagged89s10]

Veeps has NO self control...BUT he has a new job sooooio. All I know is he's goung to be going to be missing a month during prime vise season!!!!!

That's true. The new job which I start in an hour will be keeping me busy for the next 2 months while I'll be training, and even for a few months after that while I get into the flow of things. I also won't be able to travel into Massachusetts, southern CT, and RI for vises during the week like I have done on occasion. But that doesn't mean I can't do that on the weekend and make a road trip with the family.

My vise finding goals this year are to find a Reed 104R and a larger athol. I'm still on the hunt for a clean Parker with the November 22 patent date. Willing to make trades but shipping costs can makes trading too difficult and expensive.

 

[Evergreentree]

Good luck bagged. You'll find them.& good luck with your new job!

My addiction is new as well. Started collecting early- mid 2015. I'm around high 20 something for the year. Given some to friends. Bartered only one, full out restos-0.

My goal is to fully restore one to the quality you guys pump out, find a big Parker, a very small swivel jaw, and a baby bullet with power arm. I have no will to sell, but I might start flipping some newer Wiltons if I can find the time, to pay for the collecting...

All I know, is one day my sons will either hate me for the amount of iron I plan to leave behind, or thank me for it!

By the way...my name is Michael, and I'm a viseaholic to, running with the wrong crowd.

I can't imagine the count that some of these big fish collect, sell, and swap for the year!

 

[KMScott]

Regarding Parker jaw pins:

I measured up the pins in my 974-1/2 and this is the result:

Diameter: Top - .213 Bottom - .200 Length: 1.375
Taper: .1164/foot included

I checked the holes and they matched these dimensions.

The pins seem to be made of soft steel, about the same as a "sinker" nail.

Again Parker comes up with their own custom taper. The closest taper pin reamer is a # 3 that falls into the diameters noted. Standard taper is .250/foot included. Maybe I missed seeing the taper pins I removed from the Parkers that I replaced with larger pin diameters. Gonna check next time. Appreciate your post Provincial.

 

[drivesitfar]

ALL: i tell my wife i buy vises (vices) for use and the others are for financial gains. at least i'm not buying one a day now.

Bagged: might i suggest you quit hanging around JOE. he has maybe posted those exact words 2 or 3 times as he was showing how he found 3 more vises to buy in his next post a day later.

also i would have thought you'd SOLD 40 vises as many as you've showed that you've restored and had buyers for. i won't go back and count to prove you wrong, but i think your numbers are a bit off. BTW your vise spiffing up skills have got you on somebody's ballet for most improved this last year.

VA: in your searching didn't you find a MARK VI? must be an import, but looks pretty stout.

EG: your just getting started, but happy to hear that you read my warnings i also gave JOE, BAGGED, JROBB that also have posted a viceaholic statement. Hemi had the warning, but i think he's headed for 100 before he slows down so wishing him well.

BTW you'll start to get pickier and the supply in your area will shortly run out like it has here and in other areas so have fun while you can.

ALL: HAVE A GREAT DAY AND STOP BUYING VISES UNLESS YOU NEED ONE.

 

[PoorOwner]

ALL: HAVE A GREAT DAY AND STOP BUYING VISES UNLESS YOU NEED ONE.

I only have a handful but they all get bolted down and used. Except a small 3" I am still thinking of where to install it. I hope to see some of the finished vises get utilized.

 

[drivesitfar]

ALL: in case you all didn't think your skills and this thread wasn't making an impact here's the first line of a thread started by a brand new GJ member.

"Hello folks,
Wilton tech support sent me here. They can't find my vise in their books and they said you guys are geniuses. "

Congrats to ALL of you that contribute to this thread and to my (our) vise (vice) addiction.

cheers

 

[Mark in Indiana]

Drives,

"Hello folks,
Wilton tech support sent me here. They can't find my vise in their books and they said you guys are geniuses. "

Are we now known as Professors of the University of Vise?

 

[autopts]

How is the swivel lock designed?

Its design is like Wilton's. I now what your thinking. I tried, its a different size.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Persistence Sometimes it pays off and sometimes you just waste your time. A local machine shop is going out of business and liquidating all their stuff. I’ve been there 4 times in the last few months. The owner was handling sales personally. There was a sweet little vise that he absolutely refused to take off the workbench it was mounted to – until today. I got this Athol 623 for $15.

 

[Rileysan]

ALL: in case you all didn't think your skills and this thread wasn't making an impact here's the first line of a thread started by a brand new GJ member.

"Hello folks,
Wilton tech support sent me here. They can't find my vise in their books and they said you guys are geniuses. "

Congrats to ALL of you that contribute to this thread and to my (our) vise (vice) addiction.

cheers

Most knowledgable group of guys I've ever had the pleasure of getting to know. Also some of the most disfunctional. For proper therapy, you all should send your vises to me. The doctor is in ...

Brian

 

[va.grouseman]

Originally posted by Bagged89s10.

"All you guys are funny. Do you not think I can have control"?
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Seinfeld would say "No control---No control".

 

[rmalkow2]

My name is bagged, and I'm a Parker viseaholic.

I think these are all 11 complete Parkers I currently own.
22x
955
204
2
383-1/2
974
823-1/2
804


I've also owned 2 more Parker 974, a Parker no. 33, another 955, a 474, and a 975, all which I bought and sold in the past year.

Just to think, the only vise I owned at the beginning of 2015 was a import Wilton.

Damn that's 41 vises which I've bought in a year. Plus maybe 4 parts vises.

My goal this year is to sell more than I buy.

If you have plans for any more children in the future it would seen two good names come to mind, Chase or Parker!