Tools from the old world

[north]

Hi to all, my first post in Garage Journal.

Vintage Belzer socket set ( 1/4") :

*snip*

Very nice set with finger ratchet!

Sweet! Where did you get that set if I may ask? I've made some bids on older Belzer sets on ebay but no luck yet.

And welcome to the forum.

 

[Moto77]

Finally took the plunge and bought some German wrenches, Hazet 600N. They are nice and light. Think I got a good deal, $117 Canadian for ten wrench set.

 

[Superbec]

not happy

First time I use the damn thing,

yes I did hit something with the metal end , no it shouldn't brake, no I wasn't angry, no I wasn't The Hulk

yes I'm getting angry now.

 

[maico]

not happy

First time I use the damn thing,

yes I did hit something with the metal end , no it shouldn't brake, no I wasn't angry, no I wasn't The Hulk

yes I'm getting angry now.

That's why you should select hickory with a metal sleeve and not ash !

Having said that PB Swiss have selected the better straight grain grade hickory

 

[Rocklim]

Finally took the plunge and bought some German wrenches, Hazet 600N. They are nice and light. Think I got a good deal, $117 Canadian for ten wrench set.

How do you like the wrenches? By the way, where did you buy it?

 

[Moto77]

They are nice and light, a big upgrade from the Jet brand wrenches I've been using for the last three years. I bought them through a local shop blowing out their hazet stock.
Store is http://store.concept1.ca

 

[Monte]

not happy

First time I use the damn thing,

yes I did hit something with the metal end , no it shouldn't brake, no I wasn't angry, no I wasn't The Hulk

yes I'm getting angry now.

Just in case you need a new hammer.... The hammer Maico suggested is good or this one: http://www.picard-hammer.de/uploads/tx_picarddb/110-15713_Br_Secutec_2014_EN_01.pdf
or maybe one of the new Hazet hammers (They don´t have the safety screw though)

Cejn chip shield

 

[Superbec]

hmm... I didn't hit with the wooden part !. it has no dents or scratches or any kind of damage.

It's the last wooden handle hammer I ever buy, I like the plastic/fiber design a lot better.

 

[Cwalter]

Sweet! Where did you get that set if I may ask? I've made some bids on older Belzer sets on ebay but no luck yet.

And welcome to the forum.

I already bought from a local store ( here in Persia ). They may still have.

Thank you for your welcome

and some more tools. Heyco green handle nut drivers :

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Heyco wooden handle nut drivers :

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Have a good times.

 

[Monte]

Heyco wooden handle nut drivers :

oldie but goodie

hmm... I didn't hit with the wooden part !. it has no dents or scratches or any kind of damage.

It's the last wooden handle hammer I ever buy, I like the plastic/fiber design a lot better.

These are good:
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Schlosserham...048365?hash=item35f97df5ad:g:2goAAOSwHjNWBOhB

or:
http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00FK3UC0U/















News from Metabo:
new mitre/base board saw:

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[marlinspike]

Are there any Euro brands making bar clamps that aren't super expensive? Getting hard to find made in USA clamps.

 

[mfewtrail]

Brit-Zone, Germany. The picture may be a bit dark...

 

[superautobacs]

Are there any Euro brands making bar clamps that aren't super expensive? Getting hard to find made in USA clamps.

Yeah, I think Pony/Jorgensen and Adjustable brands are out now. It's only Dubuque Clamp Co. (last time I checked).

Well take them off then !
The Rennsteig one isn't actually that big.
The thin slitting chisel needs a handle otherwise you would stand a good chance of cutting your hand on the edge

That guard has saved my hand a few times during the course of hundreds of strikes. I wouldn't have tackled the job if I didn't have that guard. A cheap and wise investment.







Monte,

Thank you for your time and uploads from the tool expo!!!

 

[HCNDM]

Hi all,

Whats the deal with carolus. Seems to be Gedore's budget brand?

Is it made in the Far East or still Eu?

Decent?

Seemingly a lot cheaper than Gedore, Stalhwille, Hazet or Facom.

Since I want to slowly start replacing my mix match largely made in China wrenches I was considering these. One set of eight is Taiwan and reasonable. They all have a tendency to round heads on bolts.

That said if they are %{€\ I might as well save up a little (or a lot) and get something great. Especially would like to keep head rounding to a minimum. Such a PITA to have to weld on a bolt or use the grinder.

Keep in mind it's all hobby work. Small bits on family car and motorcycle. Small projects in shop etc.

Of course I am open to suggestions with a clear preference for EU coo.


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[Dave455]

Hi all,

Whats the deal with carolus. Seems to be Gedore's budget brand?

Is it made in the Far East or still Eu?

Decent?

I saw some when it first made it to the U.K. 10, maybe 15, years back! Don't know what the quality was like, or where it was made, but it didn't look bad at all!

A local builders merchant has some of the current stuff, and to be honest, it's dog rough! All the stuff he has is made in Taiwan, but there's much better stuff coming out of Taiwan than this. The finish is pretty dreadful, and the wrenches fell pretty flimsy too. To use a British expression, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole!

As you are located in the Netherlands, try the TBS Aachen website. They have good prices on Hazet, Stahlwille and Gedore and at the moment have some AWESOME deals on Stahwille ring wrenches and open enders! You'll get 'em cheaper than the Carolus!

 

[cgrutt]

Selma fids from Norway...

 

[HCNDM]

I saw some when it first made it to the U.K. 10, maybe 15, years back! Don't know what the quality was like, or where it was made, but it didn't look bad at all!

A local builders merchant has some of the current stuff, and to be honest, it's dog rough! All the stuff he has is made in Taiwan, but there's much better stuff coming out of Taiwan than this. The finish is pretty dreadful, and the wrenches fell pretty flimsy too. To use a British expression, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole!

As you are located in the Netherlands, try the TBS Aachen website. They have good prices on Hazet, Stahlwille and Gedore and at the moment have some AWESOME deals on Stahwille ring wrenches and open enders! You'll get 'em cheaper than the Carolus!

Found the carolus On tbs-aachen [emoji3] they are half of what Facom, gedore and Stalhwille do which made me wonder.

Unless anyone knows of a decent brand for the Carolus price I think I will indeed save up for the Stalhwille or Gedore.

Hazet seems more expensive yet even on tbs and I just can't justify that for my use.




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[Superbec]

Found the carolus On tbs-aachen [emoji3] they are half of what Facom, gedore and Stalhwille do which made me wonder.


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don't know what wrenches you need but tbs has amazing prices for stealhlwilly.. too bad I have so many wrenches already.

I have a carolus wrench set, it's not bad , finish is nice ( not facom nice)

If anything my set is a bit on the tight side on bolts, I had to file a few wrenches.

I also have one locking pliers that says CHINA , in huge leters on the side, almost sent everything back when I saw it... actually it's not the worst tool


after the hammer incident I think I will only buy things that don't do actual work, cabinets, tool organizers , stuff like that from them

I have socket rails that look amazing and do work from carolus, so not all bad .

 

[north]

Fiskars pruner (Taiwan) with adjustable max jaw opening and PB Swiss T9 (Confoederatio Helvetica). The latter for opening up my Hackzall so I could get some space to dismantle and clean the blade locking mechanism. Was getting real hard to unlock after use. Good as new after cleaning and a wee bit of grease.

Pruner from local Clas Ohlson and T9 from Fosen Tools netshop.

Edit: Retaining ring missing from the last pic in case anyone wondered.

 

[Monte]

Are there any Euro brands making bar clamps that aren't super expensive? Getting hard to find made in USA clamps.

Bessey....?

Monte,
Thank you for your time and uploads from the tool expo!!!

Since I want to slowly start replacing my mix match largely made in China wrenches I was considering these.

Like Dave and superbec suggested i would check out
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Stahlwille_Aktion_c3736.htm
For wrenches you also can check out:
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Hazet/Schr...ng-Maulschluessel-Satz_10-tlg_i2677_56542.htm
or
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/Ged...0112_Ring-Maulschluessel-Satz__i3747_1210.htm

and the special from Stahlwille Holland:
http://stahlwille.nl/pdf/jubileum_flyer_nl.pdf
and:
http://stahlwille.nl/promotie/promotie.html
for example: http://stahlwille.nl/pdf/nl15-19.pdf

They also reduced the regular retail prices of more than 500 tools since it seems they now produce fully automated with forging robots.

Does Witte still make drivers for Knipex?
Thanks Mates,
Johnny

The last time I asked the drivers were "Made in EU"














Garant/Hoffmann carbide burr index made by Rose

 

[marlinspike]

Bessey....?

Almost everything they sell for woodworking is made in China.

 

[Rich.]

Facom tool bag/trolley;






And loaded up with a bit of electrical fault finding gear;





Rich

 

[48548]

Got this today.

 

[marlinspike]

Almost everything they sell for woodworking is made in China.

So I ended up calling Bessey and should clarify. The heavy duty f-clamps are made in Germany. The K-Body Revos are assembled in USA from foreign components (which includes Chinese).

 

[HCNDM]

Bessey....?





Like Dave and superbec suggested i would check out

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Stahlwille_Aktion_c3736.htm

For wrenches you also can check out:

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Hazet/Schr...ng-Maulschluessel-Satz_10-tlg_i2677_56542.htm

or

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/Ged...0112_Ring-Maulschluessel-Satz__i3747_1210.htm



and the special from Stahlwille Holland:

http://stahlwille.nl/pdf/jubileum_flyer_nl.pdf

and:

http://stahlwille.nl/promotie/promotie.html

for example: http://stahlwille.nl/pdf/nl15-19.pdf



They also reduced the regular retail prices of more than 500 tools since it seems they now produce fully automated with forging robots.



The last time I asked the drivers were "Made in EU"





























Garant/Hoffmann carbide burr index made by Rose

Thanks for the links Monte [emoji1303][emoji1303]


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[928'er]

So I ended up calling Bessey and should clarify. The heavy duty f-clamps are made in Germany. The K-Body Revos are assembled in USA from foreign components (which includes Chinese).

The Bessey clamps I've seen in the USA in recent days were ALL chinese ****. No sale....

 

[marlinspike]

The Bessey clamps I've seen in the USA in recent days were ALL chinese ****. No sale....

Yeah, I ended up going with Jorgensen. Plenty of Made in USA to be found, and they're actually discontinuing all of their imported items to return to being Made in USA only.

 

[HCNDM]

Hi All,

questions how do i read the Stahlwille set names:

Example:

Stahlwille ID6632 13/15 Sets: Combination spanners OPEN-BOX

Features:
No: 13/15
Content: 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 22 24 mm
Weight g: 2236

the 15 in the 13/15 seems to denote the numbers of combination spanners in this set. What is the 13? Any intelligence in the ID number?

In terms of wrench / spanner finish Am i correct in assuming that best to worst = hazet followed Facom followedby Gedore and stahlwille? Finish on the last two seems rougher on the pictures in any case.

For the above i mean finish in terms of tooling and cating marks. (I realize there is a degree of personal preference here which can be disregarded - in terms of shiny vs mat chrome).


From what i read the german brands lead the pack in terms of build quality?

Facom ratchets coo taiwan? rest germany?

Thanks in advance, and sorry for asking stupid questions.

Niels

 

[losvre]

Carolus used to have mixed made in Germany and made in China,

Now all are from China except the torque wrenches which are Gedore Germany.

 

[drtyler]

Stahlwille has two types of combination wrenches, 13 and 14.

The 13 is the short version, while 14 is the standard length.

The Stahlwille 14 is similar in dimension to the Hazet 600N, while the 13 is comparable to Hazet 603.

Hi All,

questions how do i read the Stahlwille set names:

Example:

Stahlwille ID6632 13/15 Sets: Combination spanners OPEN-BOX

Features:
No: 13/15
Content: 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 22 24 mm
Weight g: 2236

the 15 in the 13/15 seems to denote the numbers of combination spanners in this set. What is the 13? Any intelligence in the ID number?

In terms of wrench / spanner finish Am i correct in assuming that best to worst = hazet followed Facom followedby Gedore and stahlwille? Finish on the last two seems rougher on the pictures in any case.

For the above i mean finish in terms of tooling and cating marks. (I realize there is a degree of personal preference here which can be disregarded - in terms of shiny vs mat chrome).


From what i read the german brands lead the pack in terms of build quality?

Facom ratchets coo taiwan? rest germany?

Thanks in advance, and sorry for asking stupid questions.

Niels

 

[HCNDM]

Carolus used to have mixed made in Germany and made in China,



Now all are from China except the torque wrenches which are Gedore Germany.

Pity... And not justifiable. They are still quite a bit more than other made in China wrenches, even if they are half of the made in Europe ones.

If I want made in China then I want to pay made in China.


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[losvre]

Hi All,

questions how do i read the Stahlwille set names:

Example:

Stahlwille ID6632 13/15 Sets: Combination spanners OPEN-BOX

Features:
No: 13/15
Content: 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 22 24 mm
Weight g: 2236

the 15 in the 13/15 seems to denote the numbers of combination spanners in this set. What is the 13? Any intelligence in the ID number?

In terms of wrench / spanner finish Am i correct in assuming that best to worst = hazet followed Facom followedby Gedore and stahlwille? Finish on the last two seems rougher on the pictures in any case.

For the above i mean finish in terms of tooling and cating marks. (I realize there is a degree of personal preference here which can be disregarded - in terms of shiny vs mat chrome).


From what i read the german brands lead the pack in terms of build quality?

Facom ratchets coo taiwan? rest germany?

Thanks in advance, and sorry for asking stupid questions.

Niels

I think Facom ratchets old style (servicable) are still made some in France (mostly non-locking) and some in Italy (locking).

The pear shaped together with most of the sockets are Taiwan, I think. The quality seems to be good enough.

Other of their tools are still France/ Italy but I feel the quality is not the same as a few years ago.

For that reason I don't have many Facom tools and so not much of feedback.

Also, they have stopped stamping the coo on their tools, no matter where they are made in, a few years now.

 

[Moto77]

Drank some more Hazet cool aid. Got this 3/4'' ratchet head and handle off a member on this board. It's used but in fantastic condition. I wish more German tools were readily available in Canada. Guess that what the interwebs is for.

 

[marlinspike]

Stahlwille has two types of combination wrenches, 13 and 14.

The 13 is the short version, while 14 is the standard length.

The Stahlwille 14 is similar in dimension to the Hazet 600N, while the 13 is comparable to Hazet 603.

Depends on who you ask. Stahlwille would say the 13 is standard and the 14 is long. The less apparent benefit of the Hazet is that the jaws are thicker, which means the bolt you are turning is less likely to round (all else equal) since more of the bolt area is taking the load. That said, when working on say a Bosch CIS fuel injection system, the slimness of the Stahlwille 13 does come in handy.

 

[HCNDM]

Depends on who you ask. Stahlwille would say the 13 is standard and the 14 is long. The less apparent benefit of the Hazet is that the jaws are thicker, which means the bolt you are turning is less likely to round (all else equal) since more of the bolt area is taking the load. That said, when working on say a Bosch CIS fuel injection system, the slimness of the Stahlwille 13 does come in handy.

I think that settles it. Will end up being stahlwille 13.

For my regularity and type of use They should suffice, be a major improvement over what I have and I either get more wrenches or a little cheaper than Hazet per euro.

Now to save an extra little bit [emoji12] damn tool addiction.

On a side note: while browsing the tbs site I found vigor tools. Never heard of them before. Their site is German only. My German being mediocre doesn't help. Are they an actual German made tool company? Or a German company that produces in China Taiwan etc? Their stuff sure is shiny.

The ratcheting wrenches remind me of wurth. That said wurth is also Taiwan made iirc.

Kr Niels


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[willhollin]

Vigor is the budget brand from Hazet as Carolus is to Gedore.

 

[Monte]

So I ended up calling Bessey and should clarify. The heavy duty f-clamps are made in Germany. The K-Body Revos are assembled in USA from foreign components (which includes Chinese).

That sounds better












Gedore mini L-Boxx

 

[Miskin]

@haupot when you used the NWS Fantastico Plus did you accidentally hurt your fingers? It's happening to me all the time with this cutter.

 

[Superbec]

In terms of wrench / spanner finish Am i correct in assuming that best to worst = hazet followed Facom followedby Gedore and stahlwille? Finish on the last two seems rougher on the pictures in any case.

For the above i mean finish in terms of tooling and cating marks. (I realize there is a degree of personal preference here which can be disregarded - in terms of shiny vs mat chrome).


From what i read the german brands lead the pack in terms of build quality?

Facom ratchets coo taiwan? rest germany?

in terms of finish, surface and bling my "personal" top is Facom, SW, Gedore,Hazet , in this exact order.

Facom coo may be Taiwan (absolutely nothing wrong with the tools) France and Italy (USAG) .
Facom was originally a french co. now owned by Stanley ( )

If my wife would just make more money I would only ever buy facom tools

 

[HCNDM]

in terms of finish, surface and bling my "personal" top is Facom, SW, Gedore,Hazet , in this exact order.



Facom coo may be Taiwan (absolutely nothing wrong with the tools) France and Italy (USAG) .

Facom was originally a french co. now owned by Stanley ( )



If my wife would just make more money I would only ever buy facom tools

I feel you globalization and massive corporate take overs are not making it all any better.

It's that endless search for more profit and high management bonuses. I don't like what it's doing to previously great companies.

I also decided to take a drive out to a store to handle some SW. Since I never have that's probably a good idea. They also stock Facom Hazet and Gedore so I can compare.

Seems the tool market has moved online in holland. Most hardware stores only stock chicom tools. Sometimes one good brand. It will be a nice one hour drive out to a good tool store. Will probably still order online as the prices in store are more than double tbs Aachen.

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