Machine Name Plate Tag Reproduction

[Pupuhd]

For the previous Rockwell badge request, the purchaser also wanted a new ON/OFF tag for the toggle switch on the grinder. As you can see below the original switch tag was badly abused and most of the artwork barely visible. Even though I had the original tag, I was sent a scan of another one in excellent condition. With this I was able to reproduce all the layout, text and artwork.


For this one I hand file all the edges since it was a simple rectangular shape and radius outside corners the same. I used a step drill to drill the switch mounting hole to 1/2" diameter. In the reproduction image I didn't show the hole just a cross point in order to center punch for the step drill.



I mounted a salvage toggle switch to see how it would look.

 

[CKS1955]

The original punched numbers, I believe done with reverse number punches punched through the back to produce the raised look on the front. I'm pretty sure given the time and resources that can possibly be reproduced. However the major hurdle is the thickness of the new aluminum at .045". You would need a commercial press in order to achieve this, if possible with the thickness.

The only solution is standard number punches on the face. First I don't currently own a 1/4" number punch set. I believe that's the dimension on the original. Second a jig of some sort would have to be devised to hold one punch in order to punch one character at a time, then either move the punch over or move the badge over to the next character and still keep it in alignment. Punching would have to be achieved with a hammer or arbor press.

I've been toying in my head of such a device using my 1 ton HF arbor press I have. At work the Lock Shop next to our Carpenter Shop has two punch press machines similar in function. The table advance to the left with each downward press of the lever. The character is set by rotating the wheel. One of these goes for over $1000 with only one wheel, however the largest font size available from this company is 5/32" or 3/16" I believe.


Using a 1/8" wheel set I have used the above machine to punch the blank fields in my etched brass rebuild badges. I just need to create something that will be repeatable and efficient. Again, thank you-David


EDIT: One other idea is to have these engraved.

David,
Over at OWWM.org there was some discussion on these topic with no solution. The person tried using reverse number punches, but the results were not what he wanted. The number did not show clearly on the front. He did it by hand so I wonder if an arbor press would be the answer. There was also some discussion about acquiring a dog tag machine, but nothing came of it. Here is a link to that post http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=157449&hilit=Craftsman+model+tag&start=30

Your work looks great,
Jay

 

[Pupuhd]

might I suggest using a whitney punch to pop the holes
quick and clean.
If you want to mark the holes using your template and a dimple for centering it will be spot on.
As for the process of making them,yes they were screen printed.
I do a process called pad printing which will do about the same as screen printing
and uses the durable inks as well(2 part paints)

I have a older Whitney punch kit with all the punch and dies. I have done a one off this way with a dimple/center punch after measuring out the center to center mounting hole dimensions.

Drilling using the template guide is tedious especially using a hand drill. I may pull out my vintage center punch set and try this method next with the template guide followed by the Whitney punch, thank you.

I know there are many ways of printing these badges. To date this has been the easiest I can figure out without making it too complicated and costly.

Thanks again, David

 

[Pupuhd]

David,
Over at OWWM.org there was some discussion on these topic with no solution. The person tried using reverse number punches, but the results were not what he wanted. The number did not show clearly on the front. He did it by hand so I wonder if an arbor press would be the answer. There was also some discussion about acquiring a dog tag machine, but nothing came of it. Here is a link to that post http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=157449&hilit=Craftsman+model+tag&start=30

Your work looks great,
Jay

I read the thread, thanks. Very interesting the ideas flying around in there. I believe one person answered it correctly as to how it's done. In my opinion a press, preferably mechanical or pneumatic, would have to stamp with grear force using reverse punches and a die. The die on the face of the badge is what produces that crisp outline of the raised character.

I don't even think an arbor press would get the same results. A machine with a swift and heavy blow would do the trick, a machine similar like the dog tag stamping one.

Seems like the author of that thread ordered about a hundred and was trying to sell them off at cost, however not much came from it and the thread went south.

I'm hoping this coming week to cut, trim and prep these for sale, however offer them as is, no stamps. Buyer responsible to create their own model number how he/she wishes to. Keep in mind on that thread they were trying to create, in my opinion, an exact copy of the original or a restoration badge. I'm not trying to do that here, just a facsimile or reproduction. If my Sears tags were missing, damaged, etc. I would be perfectly happy with a reproduction.

After much discussion here and on the OWWM thread regarding this stamping subject, I think once I prep these tags, experiment with getting one engraved. I have a King Seeley Craftsman drill press with a badly damages tag that's mounted on the base of the drill press and get the model number off it. Here in town at the mall there's an outfit called Things Remembered, they engrave all sorts of items and novelties for gifts. I'll go in there and see how much they charge for one line and if they can match the 3/16" font and style. If they can I'll do this one off for my drill press and post the results back here. Just maybe this can be another viable solution for us. I know many do not have access to punches or the means to get it done elsewhere.

Let me know what you guys think and thanks-David

EDIT: Did some further research on the Sears machine tag I have. Go to find out that the actual font height is 5/32". Funny thing I have in numerical sets both 1/8" and 3/16", and in letter set 1/8". Next trip to the surplus/steel store I'll look for other vintage complete sets in other heights.

 

[Pupuhd]

On that last print order I have two that I haven't mentioned. The second I'm still working on getting an acrylic template guide with alignment pins, however I'll get to that when complete. For the first one, I had a blank space left on the bottom right of the print that I wanted to fill in, but too small for any badge.


Looking around the shop to do something real quick, I spotted this, that has been annoying me since the day I received it as a gift from my wife.


It's the HF hex key sets in the center of the board. I never liked that the sizes for each hex key didn't match up with the corresponding one above, both the Metric and SAE. Funny thing when I went to take this photo the SAE label had just fallen off. This is what I came up with on the fly in Illustrator. Later it would be cut in half as two labels.


The finish labels were filed smoothed around the edges and epoxied on.

 

[rickhigginshtbr]

Bump, any updates?

 

[INSP380]

My marking machine. Some idiot scrapped it out at work.

Steve

 

[INSP380]

Tag...

 

[04chase]

has anyone heard from the op? i sent him a payment on april 8th and still have not been able to get a hold of him or received any type of return.

 

[rickhigginshtbr]

i shot him an e-mail last week and havent heard back either. hes been quiet on here and owwm as well

 

[04chase]

well he has been active since my post , as well as sent pm's and multiple emails with no response.

 

[kell0026]

I love who ever is making these badges! I do have some questions. I have a 1953 craftsman bench grinder i restored minus the badges, also a Lincoln buzz box I'd like to put a new badge on. So how do i go about getting these done? Thanks for any help, chris

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[04chase]

I love who ever is making these badges! I do have some questions. I have a 1953 craftsman bench grinder i restored minus the badges, also a Lincoln buzz box I'd like to put a new badge on. So how do i go about getting these done? Thanks for any help, chris

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good luck getting a hold of the o.p. seems like he has took me for a ride. have sent multiple emails and pm's and no return on anything . sent him money months ago with nothing to show for it but how he had one ready but wasnt happy with it and was doing it again. id like to give him the benefit of the doubt but the fact he has been on the forum just has not responded tells me he is aware of my intent , just seems its not too important to even communicate or inform me of a possible matter that has prevented him from returning my messages of concern. Any communication is better than none.

 

[04chase]

And still nothing. Ive been had. SMH

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[kell0026]

What gives???

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[04chase]

Op is still coming on the site but wont return any of my emails , pm's or replies to this thread.

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[kell0026]

Weird

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[kell0026]

Sooo, does anyone know how? Or where to go to get new name plates made?

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[04chase]

has anyone heard of or received any info from the o.p. of this thread?

 

[zeet]

Nope.

 

[toddmp]

You can try emailing him directly. He posted his email address in a previous thread as a contact. [email protected]

 

[Bennylava]

Just curious about this one. I'd like to know how well these tags hold up to abrasion, and solvents, as one member mentioned. Many of the originals are stamped, these would be printed. I'm guessing that abrasions and solvents were the reason they were stamped. Then again, if you had the right set of little numbers and letters, I guess you could stamp the new ones too.

 

[04chase]

Well honestly , **** the guy who made these . Its been near a year since i contacted him without response. So unless he died ,hes a thief who needs to be banned.

 

[EOC_Jason]

Man I wish the OP didn't go AWOL, I saw he printed one that matches my 1/2HP 397.19591 bench grinder...

I've read through the several threads on people that have made labels here. I found a 3/4HP label that I can edit for mine. I'm just not 100% sure of the route I want to go... The original is simply a sticker, which works I guess but I would like something a little nicer and heavy duty... Getting these printed on metal would be cool, and I could either use an adhesive to glue it on or drill holes and rivet it.

 

[chrislehr]

what bayphoto "product" is that?

https://www.bayphoto.com/products/

 

[EOC_Jason]

what bayphoto "product" is that?

https://www.bayphoto.com/products/

Click on their "Metal Prints"... The order tab is in the top right corner and you can explore options from there.

 

[chrislehr]

Thanks. Link for the lazy:
https://www.bayphoto.com/wall-displays/metalprints/single-metalprints/

 

[chrislehr]

Guessing this wont work for this as nicely. Linked, larger pic.

http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/Ge.../Craftsman PT Badge 1937-1944 - 3 600 dpi.jpg

 

[EOC_Jason]

That would be a bear to cut out! I'm not sure how well the gold color would come out, might want to contact Bay Photo and ask first. You will need to re-create it as a vector drawing though to get it all nice and crisp lines.

 

[partsproduction]

I've also recently been forced to learn new tricks, on a 1930 something Eriksen metal shaper I was nearing completion of a true restoration. The builders plate was missing, but I found a photo in a forum of the original plate, and my brother did a cad drawing of it, tweaking it until a layover of the photo fit perfectly. Only the scale was unknown, we guessed the plate was 4" long from the photo.
I had a local sign company make adhesive vinyl reproductions of the art work and stuck those on 1/8" thick brass plate. After sealing the back with paint and peeing off everything I wanted to etch back I put it in Ferric Chloride solution. The learning curve was long and hard for the correct time and discovery of the many small tricks needed I finally got three good plates. Then spray black lacquer on it and peel off the remaining vinyl exposing the original surface.

Total number of hours? Maybe 20. Number of failures? 7 or 8.

 

[chrislehr]

I am guessing the texture of it won't be possible to recreate without printing then stamping or bending it to have the same raised spots. Might have to just keep looking on ebay!

 

[04chase]

can moderators close this thread since the member making these has disappeared with our money?

 

[Stanleyandsons]

Can you help me reproduce a Unisaw nameplate from 1948?

 

[454ragtop]

Can you help me reproduce a Unisaw nameplate from 1948?

Might ask here http://www.owwm.org/viewforum.php?f=1

 

[turfgnome]

since this guy ripped off a bunch of people, I have this question does anyone know of a way to charge a guy to where you only get paid once you ship the item? I am setting up to make the plates for my machines they would be powder coated and etched. I have a slow period during the fall and winter to where I could do them for others as well.

 

[garymtx]

Absolutely perfect!! I am SO glad to be a member here......I'm going through this right now on several different machines....

 

[cnnameplate]

looks really nice

 

[Cruzan80]

You realize the thread is over four years old, and the guy left while taking people's money, right?

 

[y'sguy]

Just now, after reading thru all this it's is unfortunate to find out the OP has vanished. I did learn from him how it is done and it is to his credit to accomplish all this with great attention to detail. At least he shared knowledge. Something tells me his life was unfortunately interrupted?