The VISES of Garage Journal
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va.grouseman
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Previously posted by Drivesitfar.
VA: are all the Grand vises with the triangle slides quick release?
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Drive, every one I have seen has been quick-release.---As matter of fact, every product that Grand has produced that I have seen has been Quick-release.---I think that was their specialty selling point.
I posted 3 of their products a few pages back.---Here they are again.
First is Quickset table vise.---I now have 5 of these.---Why, I have no idea.
Second is Grand Master.---Sorry about the blur.---Amateur photog.
$600.00 for a Vise Master.---Wow!---As much as I'd like to say, yea that's about right.---That's just not realistic.---I think I paid $75.00 plus shipping for mine, and that was just because I had to have it.
Third is Quickset C-clamp
VA: are all the Grand vises with the triangle slides quick release?
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Drive, every one I have seen has been quick-release.---As matter of fact, every product that Grand has produced that I have seen has been Quick-release.---I think that was their specialty selling point.
I posted 3 of their products a few pages back.---Here they are again.
First is Quickset table vise.---I now have 5 of these.---Why, I have no idea.
Second is Grand Master.---Sorry about the blur.---Amateur photog.
$600.00 for a Vise Master.---Wow!---As much as I'd like to say, yea that's about right.---That's just not realistic.---I think I paid $75.00 plus shipping for mine, and that was just because I had to have it.
Third is Quickset C-clamp
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drivesitfar
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I finally found a vise to replace the POS Chinese vise that broke when I put some muscle into tightening it. I didn't even have a cheater. Anyway, I found this 5" Wilton machinist at an auction yesterday. Only two of us wanted it but we both wanted it $300 worth. I got enough spilled body filler and grunge off this morning to reveal that it is indeed a Wilton. Sorry about the fuzzy photos. No light in the garage today. I'll be working on that later. Anyway the anvil shows just how much abuse these monsters can stand. Now I have some questions. Should I be able to just unscrew the thread until it separates? It stops turning when the vise is fully open. Does anyone have a pic of the inside of the base ring. One half has very worn teeth but the other half is just smooth. I think something is missing.
seber
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Mark in Indiana
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All,
I just finished a 1950s FPU vise restoration. There is too much information about it for a post or two.
Here's a link to the thread: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5800723&posted=1#post5800723
I just finished a 1950s FPU vise restoration. There is too much information about it for a post or two.
Here's a link to the thread: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5800723&posted=1#post5800723
drivesitfar
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SEBER: i hope your vise jaw's screws are not broken or stripped. i also hope you vise nut and back piece don't have any broken cast. crossing our fingers that you didn't buy a parts vise. did you notice any missing issues or cracks before you bought your Wilton? how wide are the jaws?
Welcome to the group and post more pictures of your vise as you get it apart or put it together. ask questions if you need help.
Mark: WELL DONE on your FPU repair and restoration.
Welcome to the group and post more pictures of your vise as you get it apart or put it together. ask questions if you need help.
Mark: WELL DONE on your FPU repair and restoration.
Latest finds are Starrett Athol No.923 3" for $20 this morning. Got home to find some idiot had broken the shoulders off under the arm, but it was obviously long, long ago. Still quite useable and I'll probably make a cosmetic repair, unless someone has the body of a No923 lying around with a broken arm or base??
Got a 4" RAE for the same price a few weeks ago. Fixed base, (no swivel), but still has the original hammered paint and most of the decal. The "D" in an oval on either side obviously references the "Ductile" iron/semi-steel they were cast from. The decal refers to a "lifetime warranty".
I've taken photos, which I'll add later.
The big 14" throat RAE is blasted and awaiting paint.
Got a 4" RAE for the same price a few weeks ago. Fixed base, (no swivel), but still has the original hammered paint and most of the decal. The "D" in an oval on either side obviously references the "Ductile" iron/semi-steel they were cast from. The decal refers to a "lifetime warranty".
I've taken photos, which I'll add later.
The big 14" throat RAE is blasted and awaiting paint.
naturalgas
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A buddy of mine got this Rock Island from the same garage clean out . Any history on these?
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bagged89s10
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BLO can be used as a paint additive so it actually acts like primer. It also seems to soak into cast iron sealing it.
Little teaser of the Parker 2x which I painted this morning. Still need to bake it. I paint the underside of my vise bases, and fixed base are a pain to bake without messing up a painted surface. I let this one air dry so I can actually hold it without accidentally getting a fingerprint on it. I'll bake it tomorrow.
02superduty
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Bagged Good to see you are back to restoring vises after that work thing got in your way. Does this mean Joe's competition is back.
CrotalusAtrox
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Thanks everyone who complemented on it I really appreciate it Sad part is it sold really quick and I thought the market was a bit soft right now. I was really thinking of putting it to use it was so solid and if I dinged it up it would not of bothered me to much, but someone else really wanted it.
CrotalusAtrox
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BLO can be used as a paint additive so it actually acts like primer. It also seems to soak into cast iron sealing it.
Little teaser of the Parker 2x which I painted this morning. Still need to bake it. I paint the underside of my vise bases, and fixed base are a pain to bake without messing up a painted surface. I let this one air dry so I can actually hold it without accidentally getting a fingerprint on it. I'll bake it tomorrow.
Well that is Awesome
topop101
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No joke... I don't remember the exact price but it was over 600. I looked back to try and find it but couldn't remember what site I was on
IHmachinery
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I started my son like that. Now he's 19 and his tools are seriously competing for space in my shop. But it is really fun spending time working with him on various projects.
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Ridjobradi
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Here are two more small vises, that I pulled from storage on Sunday. The small ones don't seem to garnish much attention, but they are helpful when needed.
The Leinen vise is well made and will get a complete refinish soon.
The Leinen vise is well made and will get a complete refinish soon.
royce
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Prentiss swivel lock
I'm looking at getting a prentiss vise and it appears to have a spring loaded pin that falls into index holes in the base to lock the swivel.
Anybody have any experience with that style of lock?
Do they lock up tight?
Do they lock up as tight as a clamp bolt?
Are they snug enough to not be a bother when hand sawing, filing, chiseling or planing?
Thank you
Royce
I'm looking at getting a prentiss vise and it appears to have a spring loaded pin that falls into index holes in the base to lock the swivel.
Anybody have any experience with that style of lock?
Do they lock up tight?
Do they lock up as tight as a clamp bolt?
Are they snug enough to not be a bother when hand sawing, filing, chiseling or planing?
Thank you
Royce
Re: Prentiss swivel lock
Yes they lock up tight and they're secure. The biggest issue is actually using it, prentiss put a very tough spring on them so it takes quite a bit of finger strength to lift it. I have one or two of that style and it's fine.
Yes they lock up tight and they're secure. The biggest issue is actually using it, prentiss put a very tough spring on them so it takes quite a bit of finger strength to lift it. I have one or two of that style and it's fine.
Re: Prentiss swivel lock
The plunger pin is tapered, and it locks up very tight. And the plunger can stick and be a real pain to release. I prefer a clamp bolt.
The plunger pin is tapered, and it locks up very tight. And the plunger can stick and be a real pain to release. I prefer a clamp bolt.
Picked up this little guy yesterday. I'm really looking for a couple of different, larger vises, but this was nearby and was just too neat to pass up. Prentiss 19 with 3.5" jaws. The swivel works fine, the swivel base works properly and probably most important is that the slide hasn't been beaten on/cracked. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it at this point....might put it in line for restoring, but I almost think the finish is original and it might be better left alone.
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mike528
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Neighbor got me this one from his friends garage sale.
seber
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It is a 5". I've taken it apart and found no other issues. I found a drawing of the locking ring on the Wilton site. Looks like the locking teeth have been broken off. The lock down bolts are bent beyond repair. Those will be easy to replace. I'm not sure if I can salvage the locking ring. I'd hate to pay the asking price for a new one.
Gidge
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Picked up this 3" vise, much the worse for wear, but still a hefty little vise.
Found this on the internet :
In June, 1905, Mr. Fulton went to Lowville, N. Y., and organized. the Fulton Machine & Vise Company, buying out the interests of Lafayette Wetmore. The entire plant was destroyed by fire in May, 1907, with a loss of $22,000, but was soon rebuilt, business being resumed in October of the same year. At that time the capital was increased from $30,000 to $50,000, and Mr. Fulton continued there until 1924, at which time he disposed of the business.
Would it then be safe to assume this vise dates from between 1905 - 1924 ?
Source:http://www.onlinebiographies.info/ny/oswe/fulton-ew.htm
Found this on the internet :
In June, 1905, Mr. Fulton went to Lowville, N. Y., and organized. the Fulton Machine & Vise Company, buying out the interests of Lafayette Wetmore. The entire plant was destroyed by fire in May, 1907, with a loss of $22,000, but was soon rebuilt, business being resumed in October of the same year. At that time the capital was increased from $30,000 to $50,000, and Mr. Fulton continued there until 1924, at which time he disposed of the business.
Would it then be safe to assume this vise dates from between 1905 - 1924 ?
Source:http://www.onlinebiographies.info/ny/oswe/fulton-ew.htm
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drivesitfar
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Gidge: in that article you read did Mr. Fulton marry Massey's daughter who was another vise company owner? yes your little vise is old and i think i have one or two of his bigger brothers along with a few LM&V ones that came from a factory supervised by Mr. Fulton. i'm not a huge fan of the open screw vises, but I've seen more than a few handy guys have those style vises on their benches and use them a lot.
SEBER: sorry to hear you found something broken and here's a thread where you might find a used one if you ask. more than likely you'll have to have it brazed or find another Wilton to borrow one from. good luck
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88292
Mike: under that terrible paint job lies a solid Craftsman vise made by Columbian.
GMan: nice find and i'd just clean it up and wipe a coat or two of BLO on it. looks pretty nice for a 100 year old vise
Rid: your Leinen is (was) one of my favorite vises and i sold it to a client that needed a big old vise and i've tried to buy it back several times or trade him for a different vise. i'm looking for a few of those little hand vises because it would make wire wheeling small parts easier and not tear up my gloves.
Royce: the pull pin on the prentiss works great and like others have said it's not easy to get them to pull the pin out of the hole so you might need some Kroil to remove some of the rust and gunk from the last 100 years to do so.
did you find one and what # or can you post pictures when you pick it up?
IH: you've done a great job raising a great son that is also one of the handiest teenagers i know.
for those of you that might not know Vintage Nut is IH's son and he used to post a lot when he had more time.
SEBER: sorry to hear you found something broken and here's a thread where you might find a used one if you ask. more than likely you'll have to have it brazed or find another Wilton to borrow one from. good luck
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88292
Mike: under that terrible paint job lies a solid Craftsman vise made by Columbian.
GMan: nice find and i'd just clean it up and wipe a coat or two of BLO on it. looks pretty nice for a 100 year old vise
Rid: your Leinen is (was) one of my favorite vises and i sold it to a client that needed a big old vise and i've tried to buy it back several times or trade him for a different vise. i'm looking for a few of those little hand vises because it would make wire wheeling small parts easier and not tear up my gloves.
Royce: the pull pin on the prentiss works great and like others have said it's not easy to get them to pull the pin out of the hole so you might need some Kroil to remove some of the rust and gunk from the last 100 years to do so.
did you find one and what # or can you post pictures when you pick it up?
IH: you've done a great job raising a great son that is also one of the handiest teenagers i know.
for those of you that might not know Vintage Nut is IH's son and he used to post a lot when he had more time.
bulletpruf
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Here's the Morgan 60 that I picked up recently - 6" jaws, 143 lbs. She's a big'un. Has seen a lot of use, but still in very good condition. Will strip off the recent repaint and go back with factory medium/light blue. Morgan still sells parts, too -- will pick up a set of jaws along with a pin to keep the vise nut in place.
Paint came off easily enough. Just sprayed some brake cleaner on it and wiped it off or scrubbed a bit with a small brush.
Had a bit of welding spatter on it, but 5 minutes with a chisel and small ball peen took care of that. Will spend some time cleaning it up a bit more with a file and some sandpaper on my angle grinder. Will follow this with some sandblasting to give the surface some bite for the paint to adhere to.
The nut fits pretty loose in the static jaw. Will take some measurements and see if Morgan can tell me whether the nut is too small/too worn, or if the female portion of the static jaw is hogged out. Either way, I'd like to tighten it back up a bit. Had some slop in it.
The pin holding the vise nut in place was missing; some knucklehead jammed a bolt in there and tightened it up pretty good. Managed to get it out, but had to drill two holes in it and then beat it out. I'll drill it out a bit oversize and get a new pin for it.
Took a bit of work to get the jaws out. Some of the screws holding the jaws in were worn/ground flat on top, so there was no slot for the screwdriver. Got 'em out with a chisel and/or impact screwdriver (after chiseling a slot for the impact screwdriver).
New jaws are about $90 from Morgan. The ones on mine are useable, but not great. I'll get some new ones ordered.
Very nice, Morgan's are #2 on my personal favorites list. The guys down at Milwaukee Tool and Equipment are good guys, they will get you whatever you need.
royce
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Re: Prentiss swivel lock
Thanks jrobb,exmax, drives.
Thanks jrobb,exmax, drives.
Rileysan
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Neighbor got me this one from his friends garage sale.
I'm loving the Craftsman vise, Mike. Looking forward to seeing it cleaned up! What did you pay for it?
Brian
mike528
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Helped the neighbor replace his pitman and idler arms on a 97 sierra
CrotalusAtrox
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Nice helping your neighbor out, and a cool vise I had the 510830 painted it red it came out pretty good.
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drivesitfar
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GMAN: Prentiss just stamped on parts #'s so they would know which parts belonged to which vise. not a date stamp. i'm guessing yours is from the early 20's and the catalog pages were posted on here once or somebody has some that might give you a better date. looks good BTW
Chilang: your skills at vise spiffing were good when you started and keep improving. WELL DONE
ALL: this SWEDISH VISE just came up on CL in Portland,Or in case any of you might want one. it seems to have a lot of options and since i have more than a few vises or vices i'm going to pass on this one for the time being. it's a MALCUS brand. anybody own one or has one been posted before?
Chilang: your skills at vise spiffing were good when you started and keep improving. WELL DONE
ALL: this SWEDISH VISE just came up on CL in Portland,Or in case any of you might want one. it seems to have a lot of options and since i have more than a few vises or vices i'm going to pass on this one for the time being. it's a MALCUS brand. anybody own one or has one been posted before?
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Pics 1-5 Reed 204R vise. I tried to keep what paint was on it, but did lube/clean and get it ready to go back to work again. First Reed vise I've done and have to agree with others, they made them very stout.
Pics 6 & 7--Previously found the Red Arrow little vise without the Columbian name or model number on it.
This one is same size as my other one, but now with the Columbian ID and number 63 on it.
Will keep the pair so can show comparison between the two.
Pics 6 & 7--Previously found the Red Arrow little vise without the Columbian name or model number on it.
This one is same size as my other one, but now with the Columbian ID and number 63 on it.
Will keep the pair so can show comparison between the two.
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va.grouseman
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Drive, here's a SMID made in France that looks similar to the Sweed.---Page 6.
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae336/btgriffin/Tools/DSCF0018.jpg
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http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae336/btgriffin/Tools/DSCF0018.jpg
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This is my contribution to the thread. Just restored an old Record No. 22 Vice:
Restoration thread here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331531
Restoration thread here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331531
IHmachinery
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DRIVES: this is a self-centring vise for use on a milling machine. It looks very nice and would be a nice addition to the machine shop. How much is the asking price?
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drivesitfar
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IH: it's too far for me to pick up, but if you have a friend in Portland or a buddy from your area driving down here's the ad.
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/tls/5631263647.html
$225
JD: WELL DONE and cool that it also has the quick release with the old lever
VA: thanks again and is that yours?
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/tls/5631263647.html
$225
JD: WELL DONE and cool that it also has the quick release with the old lever
VA: thanks again and is that yours?
va.grouseman
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Nope Drive, belongs to BTG.---Page 6