1966 F100 EcoBoost Engine Swap (EcoBoosted)

[TimeWarpF100]

Re: 1966 F100 EcoBoost Engine Swap & 1966 427 Project

Is everything welded up on Eco1 or is it still spot welded together? Curious since I don't remember seeing anything about blowing it back apart for final welding. The cab, at least.
The box I remember you welded it as you went along.
Great job on this as I read it for the last couple of years, updates and such.

The front cab mounts are 100% stock Ford. Front frame mounts stock ford welded, I am using the '11 Eco floor so stock bolts/torque was used. I am also using a stock rear '11 mount but had to change position on the frame. I cut them off the donor '11 and put them in proper place. After pulling the box I was able to weld the backside of both and 50% of topside. On the left rear cab mount there is no front side. The right rear mount I still need to weld the front side. Its totally accessible from underneath.

I forget if the core support mounts are full welded or not but pretty sure they are done but will double check. I do need to add more metal to front ends of frame where I made the cutout.

Everything rear of cab is final welded now including all the box mounts and the shock mounts. Only thing left on rear suspension is to final torque the upper shocks to mount and torque the spring Eye Bolts which will happen when I get the box in place.

I do have a lot of final welding to do on part of lower firewall and also cowl area but that will happen once i tear it down for paint.

It would be fun to get a group from Dayton/ Columbus/Cincinnati Ohio area all together to meet up with one another and see the ECO power tour !!

Plan is to go thru Cleveland then into Lorain and if any of the plants are still there that built a lot of Mercury's back in the day. I had my 427 Comet's that were built there along with my Cyclone Spoilers. I have a friend who's father worked at the lorain plant and sent me some info along with old photo's & a package he got as a retirement gift.

How slow I am at getting things done it could be a while yet . . LOL


Had big plans for the day today to get the box back on eco 1 but got a call from a friend who had a oil change done yesterday and 38 miles later the oil light came on and the engine started to make funny noises. She had it towed to the shop who did oil change but called me as they were putting it up on hoist. I am suspecting they did the "DOUBLE GASKET" treatment so not sure if they had the time to "fix" the gasket issue or not. Waiting on a flatbed to drop it off here. When I got there there was not a drop of oil on stick.

I did get the manager to agree there was no oil in it. Its possible they added only a small amount but only makes sense it was the double gasket mistake.
Other wise not likely it would have gone 38 miles. If they only added say 1 quart it makes no sense either. 4 hours waiting for tow truck so far. One would think a major insurance company could do better than that.


These usually do not turn out well! Corporate gets a hold of it and deny deny deny. They knew they screwed up, the best would have been to put her in a rental car and drop a engine in it.

 

[bulletpruf]

Re: 1966 F100 EcoBoost Engine Swap & 1966 427 Project

Had big plans for the day today to get the box back on eco 1 but got a call from a friend who had a oil change done yesterday and 38 miles later the oil light came on and the engine started to make funny noises. She had it towed to the shop who did oil change but called me as they were putting it up on hoist. I am suspecting they did the "DOUBLE GASKET" treatment so not sure if they had the time to "fix" the gasket issue or not. Waiting on a flatbed to drop it off here. When I got there there was not a drop of oil on stick.

I did get the manager to agree there was no oil in it. Its possible they added only a small amount but only makes sense it was the double gasket mistake.
Other wise not likely it would have gone 38 miles. If they only added say 1 quart it makes no sense either. 4 hours waiting for tow truck so far. One would think a major insurance company could do better than that.


These usually do not turn out well! Corporate gets a hold of it and deny deny deny. They knew they screwed up, the best would have been to put her in a rental car and drop a engine in it.

What kind of car? How many miles? I think you'll be better off with the engine that's in it if it holds good oil pressure. Having said that, if the engine started to make "funny noises" that could have been the crank starting to self-destruct...

Anyway, I've heard horror stories about reman engines, so I don't know if I would push for a replacement unless you were sure the original was shot.

Good luck.

Scott

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Re: 1966 F100 EcoBoost Engine Swap & 1966 427 Project

What kind of car? How many miles? I think you'll be better off with the engine that's in it if it holds good oil pressure. Having said that, if the engine started to make "funny noises" that could have been the crank starting to self-destruct...

Anyway, I've heard horror stories about reman engines, so I don't know if I would push for a replacement unless you were sure the original was shot.

Good luck.

Scott

Turns out the shop did not tighten oil plug. It simply FELL OUT!

35 miles after oil change the oil light started to flicker. She immediately called shop. Shop manager said its ok just drive here so we can look. About a mile or less later the engine was knocking so she pulled over & called tow truck. She called me when tow truck arrived back at oil change place.

They were putting it up on hoist & I told her to have them put it back down and do not touch it. I arrived shortly after. Car was sitting outside. It was at end of day quitting time 7pm. No doubt they knew what went wrong . .

Being as though she has Comp insurance the insurance would have to cover if the shop refuses. Shop Corporate closed today but shop is open.

Pics in a few . .

 

[TimeWarpF100]

2005 Nissan Altima 2.5

Big failure to the local Just Brakes for doing NOTHING! One would think after knowing full well what they did they would at least put customer in a rental car, but no its just go away and deal with it on your own! This should be one for the media . .

That STOP sign has huge meaning. When you get to front of shop, STOP, turn around get back in your car and go elsewhere!

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Eco 1:

In order to "fix" the tire clearance issue (known prior to ordering wheels but only cure to make box fit)

Moving upper shock mount inwards 1". Ford's Robot had welds with excellent penetration so the typical use of a cutoff wheel into the weld was not going to work.

First up was to trim end of cross member flush for better access to welds.





After moving inboard. Does not look like much clearance but a full 1/2" plus both sides.
Spaced out and did not take pics in between.

 

[TimeWarpF100]

ECO 1:

Started to strip rest of old paint off of cab and front clip. Then its time to re-install wiring and lights for box, get the bare metal looking good and do a bit more testing. Hoping for some Aerial footage this time.

For fun weighed Eco 1 box. Was quite surprised it came in at only 328 lbs! A bit more metal to add but the box floor from a 2013 was 1/2 the weight of original.

I still need to add bracing to keep sides from getting into tires etc.

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Eco 2 Update:

Engine wiring harness is 100% Stock 2015 FoMoCo.

The Engine Bay harness along with BJB started out as a stock 2015 Harness but was stripped down to look like this. (Big thanks to Walt460)


This harness feeds the PCM, Cooling Fans, Turbo Boost Pressure Control, Ambient Temp Sensor. By fiddling with wiring exits out of BJB I was able to make it fit pretty well to PCM, Engine harness and thru cab into the BCM. From there it will feed to the high tech shifter, console harness, it will have AC & DC power ports, then to the PATS key sensor and feed the Dakota Digital Gauge package thru the Can~Bus. This is the ONLY way to get speed and other pertinent info as there are no wheel speed sensors. Yep, I also have GPS speed possible thru the Dakota Digital Components. More on that later.

When wiring harness is done for engine bay it looks like this! (Engine harness separate)

The Fuel Control to fuel tank and pressure sensors along with EVAP system wiring harness is also completed.

The MAGIC 2015 PATS system will also be operational and vehicle will be started using the stock 1966 Key! The key not near the hidden spot it needs to be the vehicle will simply not start. Any attempts to override will simply put vehicle into theft mode.

With a fully hidden GPS tracker theft or not getting caught should be . . . .

I was going to wait until Eco 2 was on the road before I said much about the Dakota Digital System and the Customer Service there. Me being total clueless on how the VHX electronics work i needed to be schooled by Dakota Digital Techs multiple times before I finally understood how to wire it. Turns out I was way overthinking the setup and it is just plug in play. Took less than 30 minutes to install entire system! Try that even with 1966 Wiring. . .

Gotta re-coup my thoughts on other things in progress. Be back in a bit . . .

 

[TimeWarpF100]

I better quit taking ZINC! LOL

I just had another hair~brained idea. If I gave out the info for GPS during lower 48 Tour, forum folks could watch where I was on a map at any given time . . . Just a thought right now.

 

[TimeWarpF100]

I better quit taking ZINC! LOL

I just had another hair~brained idea. If I gave out the info for GPS during lower 48 Tour, forum folks could watch where I was on a map at any given time . . . Just a thought right now.

I guess that could also be done thru Smart Phone Technology . .

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Eco 2: A/C pretty much mandatory when living in AZ and also needed for a trip like the lower 48. Ordered a underdash A/C unit. Company should go nameless at this time.

Its here: Just thought it looked a bit too plastic for trying to keep Eco 2 Theme interior and exterior close to as it was in 1966. Looked pretty good in catalog pics. My photo as it arrived.

I got a little antsy because of a tight needed to have it schedule so ordered another.
It looks like this.


This one is a FridgiKing reproduction using original tooling from back in the 50's/60's.
All metal case and front. Its 25lbs vs 13 lbs of the first one.

Trying to keep Eco 2 a 180 From Eco 1 I thought this was a better choice. Since the 1966 F100/F250 did not come with a factory installed A/C system this one was often used. A complete underdash HVAC was out of question. This unit 309.00 with free shipping.

Plan is to remove the Metal Case and paint it Body/Interior Color to have it appear it could have been there since new. Tahoe Turquoise is the Color I plan on painting it.

Interior:

1) Stock 1966 Ranger Carpet in stock color (carpet will be molded vs stock sewn pieces)

2) Dash will be repainted Stock color Tahoe/Wimbledon White

3) Dash pad will be replaced with a PERFECT original I have stashed away.

4) Stock Ranger Seats will get a slight upgrade in foam (Mustang Buckets) with stock looking colors.

5) The Door tag info shows the trim code as Black Vinyl. The original Owner says it was special order Palomino and the date code on carpet etc seems to say that's true. No indication it had ever been changed she claims it was always Palomino. I like the color combo so will most likely stick with that. Although the door tag info black sounds tempting. Dare to be different I guess stick with what it has always been.
Whats weird is Palomino was a 1965 color and Parchment is shown for 1966. Unless the name was just changed . .

6) Door panels inserts instead of being cheap plastic look will be a Material style insert like it is now.

7) Wheels & Tires undetermined but would like stock appearing maybe with a shorter sidewall. Any F250 from 1965 (or earlier) thru 1997 should work.

 

[36truck]

Randy seeing as you weighed the box have you weighed the cab? I'm looking at buying a cab and knowing the weight of it would help out in finding the shipping cost.
The ECO projects are looking good.
If you get into eastern Montana I'm about an hour north of 94.

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Randy seeing as you weighed the box have you weighed the cab? I'm looking at buying a cab and knowing the weight of it would help out in finding the shipping cost.
The ECO projects are looking good.
If you get into eastern Montana I'm about an hour north of 94.

I did weigh the cab just gotta find the photo's. Its most likely in the thread but prob near impossible to find . . I have been dropping about every component of truck on the scales. On Eco 2 Trying for that magic 4000 lb F250.

Not in the UP any longer? Sidney or Fairview?

 

[36truck]

Sidney came out here for the work. Things got pretty slow in Da U.P.

 

[Jetfixr320]

Just finished reading this thread over the last few weeks. Wow, amazing work.

Pm sent

 

[bulletpruf]

TW -

What was the final result of the oil change fiasco?

Scott

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Just finished reading this thread over the last few weeks. Wow, amazing work.

Pm sent

Thanks! PM returned . .

TW -

What was the final result of the oil change fiasco?

Scott

Oil change fiasco turned out to be that the shop forgot to tighten oil plug and it fell out. JUST BRAKES the name of shop refused to help. It was turned into a Insurance Claim for Negligence on part of shop. (A lot of people are unaware its a covered claim) The Insurance is going to Total the car and have already made an offer. Still trying to work out the final $$ with Insurance.

Insurance Company will pay for car and then go after Just Brakes.

 

[TimeWarpF100]

I took some time away from shop and went to MN to visit my Oldest Daughter. Back late last night.

Not much to update on Eco 1 & Eco 2.

 

[Qrazy]

Welcome back TW!! Glad you had some time away with your daughter.

 

[1949 caddyman]

Is the Insurance Claim for Negligence on part of shop somthing that is in your comp. part of your auto insurance? Never neard of it either. Is it a rider add on?

 

[bulletpruf]

Thanks! PM returned . .



Oil change fiasco turned out to be that the shop forgot to tighten oil plug and it fell out. JUST BRAKES the name of shop refused to help. It was turned into a Insurance Claim for Negligence on part of shop. (A lot of people are unaware its a covered claim) The Insurance is going to Total the car and have already made an offer. Still trying to work out the final $$ with Insurance.

Insurance Company will pay for car and then go after Just Brakes.

Interesting - I did not realize that an insurance policy would cover this! Sounds like good news to me.

Scott

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Welcome back TW!! Glad you had some time away with your daughter.

Thanks!

Is the Insurance Claim for Negligence on part of shop somthing that is in your comp. part of your auto insurance? Never neard of it either. Is it a rider add on?

Its all part of Comprehensive Insurance unless specifically excluded. I am not aware of a Insurance company that does exclude it. The agent who has been with same Major Ins Co had never had a claim like it in his 38 1/2 yrs of doing it. The Claims department guy said he had not either. One would be surprised what is covered by ones insurance they do not want you to know about. (In my other life I worked as a Auto Claims Specialist. LOL) No rider add-on needed.

Interesting - I did not realize that an insurance policy would cover this! Sounds like good news to me.

Scott

We put the Insurance Company on notice that evening when the incident happened that a Insurance claim would most likely be filed. Instead of pursuing Just Brakes when all they would do is nod head that yes they screwed up but refused to file a claim or do anything in writing.

Corporate greed of fly by night oil change places have the people trained of how to deny, deny, deny. What they should have done is put her in rental car that evening and just handled it. A Insurance claim was a much faster process.

I have had other friends who similar things have happened to and none of them won against a oil change place. All they have to do is dump oil in after the fact. This time it was "Do not touch the car" "Drop it down and push it outside" I am quite sure they were in process of covering tracks.

When I was a field Adjuster I paid many a similar claim. Its all about what would a reasonable person do in a instance like this. It was a pretty easy deal because we had proof the car had been driven only 35 miles from oil change. When the oil light started to flash she called the oil change place and they told her its ok, just drive it to shop.(she drove a short distance and the noise got worse so pulled over and had it towed to shop) Once at shop she called me when they put it up on hoist. (had tried to call me earlier but I missed call)

This would be no different than say if a shop did something that caused a short in wiring and the car burned. Maybe a bit harder to prove fault of shop.

This time I was determined to see this shop pay for its mistake. 2nd Engine failure from a car that was in this shop for oil changes

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Looking thru some old insurance pics found a couple interesting ones.

This one I remember was a 1968 911 Porsche guy was blaming failure on I forget what but the claim was denied. Because he did his own work and what was reasonable its obvious he kept driving long after along with being on a race track . .

Pretty much a case by case basis but another I remember well. This one from a certain Walmart where they installed a way too long oil filter and any little dip in road or speed bump the oil filter would touch. SLowly wearing it thin where it started to leak. It made it quite a few miles. This was a couple year old Dodge Intrepid.

I paid the claim for a very pricey engine and we went after Walmart. I remember 7 different large claims against this Walmart. The managers comment was he considered it being part of business and made no remedy to fix the issue. But, after Walmart Corporate got hit with average 5-7000.00 $$ claims over a very short time period they learned how to Fix the ISSUE. No more engine claims . . . LOL

 

[bulletpruf]

Thanks for sharing that with us, TW. That's interesting info; might save someone $5,000 one of these days. Frankly, I think we've all heard similar stories.

Scott

 

[Todd.Brock]

Re: 1966 F100 EcoBoost Engine Swap & 1966 427 Project

Good insurance info. I still think it's a crock that the oil change place isn't being held accountable. I understand the need to get moving but ***** she has to file a claim on her insurance ... Unless I miss understood that

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Re: 1966 F100 EcoBoost Engine Swap & 1966 427 Project

Good insurance info. I still think it's a crock that the oil change place isn't being held accountable. I understand the need to get moving but ***** she has to file a claim on her insurance ... Unless I miss understood that

Oil Change place will be held accountable. The insurance company will go after them 100%. I have been out of town and just got in after midnight last night. My friend who owns the car is leaving on a month vacation to Europe in a few days. A lot less stress for her to just get it handled for now.

She/we will file a claim against the Oil Change place for LOU (Loss of Use) and get them to pay for a Rental when she returns. Will try to get that filed with oil place Corporate by this weekend.

Its possible a local news station will get a call too . .

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Eco 1 & Eco 2 Update:

Have a bit of Photo Update but my PhotoBucket will not allow me to upload pics once again. Happens at the start of every month. No response from Photo Bucket support.

Eco 1 I just need to install taillights and align front end along with double checking core support mounting welds. Maybe add a bit more to the front clip inner structure.

Eco 2 I now have the dash wiring so its ready to pre-fit before taking things apart for paint. Walt460 did a outstanding job on the wiring.

am working on using a stock '66 heater core but adapting it to the plug n play 2015 heater hoses. Once I know exactly how things will fit up I can finish up the metal work on inner fenders, pull cab for a bit of paint work.

So, within the next 39 years it should be ready for first test drive . . Hoping by that time PhotoBUcket support will have the photo upload working.

 

[TimeWarpF100]

MAJOR Milestone on Eco 1 today!

I have a couple pics I would like to share but 8 days so far and my PhotoBucket account will not allow me to add any new pics. I do have approx 19,500 pics in my albums and it was at 75% full. I paid big $$ to once again Upgrade and now it says 49% full.

So even after giving PB more of my $$ all they said in beginning was "working on it".

It happens each and every 1st of the month but can usually get it to work. Not this time I give up until they fix it or I find a new host. Problem is with new host I would lose all pics now there.

Looking for someone who can host a couple pics for me now as I am simply unable. Best would be for me to text them or maybe email them

I will leave email up for a short time as have not checked my PM very often.

superdragpak-66f100 at yahoo dot com

Other news too but no good without pics . . After 8 days of trying its not happening without help from photobucket. The WORST customer service ever . .

 

[rmalkow2]

Have you ever tried just uploading pics directly from your computer hard drive? I have never used a hosting service and it seems to work just fine.

 

[TimeWarpF100]

Have you ever tried just uploading pics directly from your computer hard drive? I have never used a hosting service and it seems to work just fine.

I have had a few people try to teach me how but with brain on overload could never get the hang of it. I need something like iphone click on pics hit send.

If it takes much time I give up easy. Now I had auto upload on my Iphone. At end of each day I just had to do one click and it would upload automatically and arrange in proper folder. Then to attach click on pics I wanted and copy paste. Done.

PB auto upload arrange is supposed to make a new folder each month. For last few months it does not make that folder. It crashes entire system. Sick of messin' with it. Time better spent attempting to get something done. One more bite out of the growing fast elephant.

 

[walt460]

Having trouble posting pics tonight

 

[walt460]

 

[OHSCrifle]

Wheels and plate look great!

 

[walt460]

"If you were arrested for being a good craftsman, would there be enough evidence to convict you? "

TW would be found "guilty" for dang-sure!

 

[383]

I've been following this thread from the beginning, and it is amazing to look at that picture of a stock-looking '66, and think of all of the changes the you have done to it. There isn't an inch on that truck that hasn't given you a headache at some point. Words can't describe what you have accomplished.

 

[bulletpruf]

Woohoo!!! Looks great! You nailed the look, TW.

 

[03ranger]

TW,

The truck is looking so good; you’ve come a long ways with the EcoBoost project. I don’t know of very many people have the ability and determination to complete such a project. I can admire your fortitude in doing so. As they say: “you’re so close yet so far to go”.

We appreciative the detail that you put into the truck and your sharing of all the pictures in the past and hopeful you will continue till both trucks are done. I hope that you’re thinking about showing EcoBoost once it becomes road worthy. If the truck is on the road by end of September why not come up to the Wickenburg “Annual Fly-In & Classic Car Show” - Oct. 8 in Wickenburg, Arizona. The event is on Saturday from 7:00am -11:00 a.m. at the Wickenburg Municipal Airport-Wellik Field. I’ll even buy you breakfast or lunch or if you desire both.

 

[rmalkow2]

Wheels look great, dang the whole thing looks great. It's gonna look even more fabulous when painted. You've crafted a real one of a kind.

 

[walt460]

 

[amlv20]

Awesome!!

 

[Qrazy]

Absolutely amazing!! Great work TW!