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superautobacs

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gbh,

That puts big box stores in many parts of the world to shame. I wish I could be there now.




Leon67,

Sounds good!




Fred86,

Do you have something more specific in mind?
 

kblee27

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Anyone have experience with the difference between japan made, say for instance; wrench sets, and chinese made?

The first time I started buying tools, I bought what was available at the local shops.
It was after a few usage, did I realize, the badly made chinese ratcheting wrench was rounding off the nuts.
There were made for form, but not for function.

Over here, we get Japanese tools, which is usually double the price of the cheapo chinese made tools. And it's worth paying for.

The chinese made ones, you use once and throw away before they caused more damage.
 

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The tools made in PRC are a waste of money with very few exceptions that are just OK for some DIY. Buy at least Taiwan made tools if budget constrained get some from Brands like Force, Seneca, Toptul and take the Chinese to the nearest recycle center. Japanese tools are at least on par quality wise with the aforementioned brands and usually much better. Brands line Vessel (screwdrivers) Keiba (pliers) KTC-Nepros and others are among the best in the world.
 

Zooki

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Hello

This is my new Koken Set :) My first Tools to be Made in Japan!
Still need some 1/2" extensions and swivel joint...

Koken 3753P
Koken 3753P-250
Koken 4750P
Koken 4753P-410
Koken PK3760/6
Koken 4251M-01
Koken 3217M-00

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General Geoff

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Looking good there, Zooki! I have the 12 point versions of both of those socket sets, and they are immensely strong.

I just received some KTC wrenches that I ordered to fill in the missing sizes from my old Craftsman RP metric combo wrench set. Here are a few pics comparing them:

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Hello

This is my new Koken Set :) My first Tools to be Made in Japan!
Still need some 1/2" extensions and swivel joint...

Koken 3753P
Koken 3753P-250
Koken 4750P
Koken 4753P-410
Koken PK3760/6
Koken 4251M-01
Koken 3217M-00

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Those Koken socket sets are pure class, love the metal boxes
 

mercucho

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Hello

This is my new Koken Set :) My first Tools to be Made in Japan!
Still need some 1/2" extensions and swivel joint...

Koken 3753P
Koken 3753P-250
Koken 4750P
Koken 4753P-410
Koken PK3760/6
Koken 4251M-01
Koken 3217M-00
Great set Ko-ken.
 

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There are some good Japanese made air tools,SP Air is one brand.I have the 1/4 and 3/8 drive impacting ratchets with no kickback at all.Were not cheap to buy at all
 

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I thought I'd post a video of my local home centre hand tool area.
Excuse the speed, limited narration and awful Muzak.



Lucky, you have access to Keiba pliers and Silky Saws and only god-knows what other awesome goodies lie between those fully packed isles.
 

Van Steele

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The 25" long FPC locking extension doesn't have the hex machined to it, unlike my 5" wobble extension. I just looked through their web catalogue and notieced that the hex feature is only available on their wobble-only extensions.

For fast hand spinning, the more cylindrical the shape is the more comfortable and faster it is to spin. With grip and speed in mind, I think the Ko-ken style knurling or the ones from MAC tools or Wera, for example, are better.

As a feature, I think the hex machining will likely come into greater use on a road kit, where you might have limited tools on deck (ie. not having the luxury of taking XL extensions with you on the road or say, for your home box (as opposed to your work box)). In such a case, you can couple it with a 17mm deep socket and extension to increase the overall length a little more, if needed. That socket could be a 1/2 drive or a 3/8 drive, depending on what you have.

Of course, the main reason (according to the manufacturers that make these types of extensions) is to be able to drive the hex with a wrench. Again, that feature would probably come into use more frequently when your tool arsenal is limited.

I personally have not encountered a situation where I needed to use the hex end. If the need ever arises, it's likely going to be for some sparkplug R&R. Who knows...it's a feature that's there, and may come in handy one day.

Thanks. My main reasoning for wanting to find long locking extensions with a hex end was that - with the Ko-ken knurling in mind - it would be easier to spin them with the ratchet attached and only being able to grab the very end of the extension.
I have been looking at the Mac website - I thought I'd seen some nice ones in parkerized finish some time ago but couldn't find those. A bit expensive for me though - i don't have that work box, I only work on my old crusty **** at home. :)

Note to anyone interested in trying out FPC....
I only have 3 tools from them, so I can't say with any certainty, but I'll share my opinion anyway.
Each tool works well for its intended use and each of the feature works well, too.
I'm a bit concerned about chrome durability. It's no surprise that chrome will chip from an end of a wobble socket (all of mine are chipped or about to chip). I was just a bit surprised when I used it for the first time many years ago that it chipped very easily.
The female square ends are sprayed with silver paint (not enitirely uncommon to see, even on some well known brands).
I think the tolerance range on the square ends might be a bit wide as they fit together with a bit more play than I'd like (loose fitting tools is a bit of a peeve of mine).

Thanks for the heads up.

Some new tools
KTC snap ring pliers and axle nut chisel, Tone long double ring-end zero offset spanners - had to get these to fill in with the no longer available TOP ones I have. Tone 1/4" and 3/8" drive ratchets, Engineer screw pliers and Ko-ken bit holders.

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losvre

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Hello experts,

I need your help in deciding some purchace need on you r experience.

Which company makes the best cutters especially the ones with flush cutting bevel for electrical and plastic?

I am looking into 3Peaks, Hozan and Keiba. Other suggestions also welcomed.

Thank you and have a good day
 

losvre

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What gauge of electrical wire and plastic thickness are you cutting?

I am looking for a smal one for copper up to 1.5 mm and one for 3mm plastic OR

A larger one to cover up to 3-4 mm copper/plastic.

I also noticed that Tsunoda and Merry have cutters.

Thank you
 

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Losvre,

There's also Fujiya, Victor, MTC, Shell, etc to chose from as well. Lots of choices available. For some reason, for precision stuff, I tend to look at Keiba and 3-Peaks.













Thanks. My main reasoning for wanting to find long locking extensions with a hex end was that - with the Ko-ken knurling in mind - it would be easier to spin them with the ratchet attached and only being able to grab the very end of the extension.
I have been looking at the Mac website - I thought I'd seen some nice ones in parkerized finish some time ago but couldn't find those. A bit expensive for me though - i don't have that work box, I only work on my old crusty **** at home. :)

Have you ever considered using quick spinners for that purpose? I have a couple ratchets where I leave the quick spinners on, and although they don't neccesarily get used all the time for it's intended purpose, they occasionally do come in handy.
When using a socket with extension on a ratchet, I will sometimes pull off the ratchet and leave the quick spinner on the extension so that I can free-hand the initial tightening or final loosening.
Quick spinners come in handy in other ways too.


Nice selection of Ko-ken bit holders, btw. I have a few myself. The only one I'm not fond of is their 1/4 drive bit holder. The method of retention is not ideal. Unlike the 3/8 and 1/2 drive sizes, the 1/4 drive uses the same method of retention as the Nut-Grip sockets. Is yours the same as I described?
 

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I am looking for a smal one for copper up to 1.5 mm and one for 3mm plastic OR

A larger one to cover up to 3-4 mm copper/plastic.

I also noticed that Tsunoda and Merry have cutters.

Thank you

3-Peaks or Keiba.

If you are not committed to a Japanese manufacturer, Knipex would be another option.
 

losvre

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Superautobacs and balrog thank you for the feedback.

I will have a look at the options of these two and let you know my decision followed by photos



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I bought a new folding saw today.
 

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gbh

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Yes Superautobacs, it is indeed a Bakuma. Funny you mention the Silky Gomboy, I picked up one of those too and nearly bough that simply because Silky is better known. The Bakuma was a bit cheaper and I chose it because I knew I couldn't go wrong with either of them. I would say that it's almost impossible to buy a bad saw here in Japan. I only just replaced a Chinese item that lasted me 5 years of random abuse and only cost the equivalent of about $5.
PS: I don't know about the Silky but the Bakuma has a handy choice of two positions for the handle. I used it today on some pine and it was like a hot knife through butter.
 

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Have you ever considered using quick spinners for that purpose? I have a couple ratchets where I leave the quick spinners on, and although they don't neccesarily get used all the time for it's intended purpose, they occasionally do come in handy.
When using a socket with extension on a ratchet, I will sometimes pull off the ratchet and leave the quick spinner on the extension so that I can free-hand the initial tightening or final loosening.
Quick spinners come in handy in other ways too.


Nice selection of Ko-ken bit holders, btw. I have a few myself. The only one I'm not fond of is their 1/4 drive bit holder. The method of retention is not ideal. Unlike the 3/8 and 1/2 drive sizes, the 1/4 drive uses the same method of retention as the Nut-Grip sockets. Is yours the same as I described?

Quick spinners!
They stare right at me every time I open the socket drawer as they live on my spark plug sockets. D'oh.
Time to get a couple more.

Yes, the 1/4" drive uses a spring steel wire just like the nut-grip sockets, whereas the others use a spring steel band.
 

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I haven't used the Engineers yet but it seems vulnerable[emoji1]

I am worrying that the metal is not of very high hardness, I will post feedback when I have the opportunity to test it.

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I saw someone tested the hardness recently and they appeared to be right in line with the manufacturer's claims.
 

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Nice stuff!!!:beer:

Any idea how they would compare to the european spanner brands like facom, hazet, stahlwille, gedore
European brands you mention are of very good quality but I'm pretty addicted to Japanese brands and, specifically, Asahi is one of my favorite in wrenches.
 

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European brands you mention are of very good quality but I'm pretty addicted to Japanese brands and, specifically, Asahi is one of my favorite in wrenches.

What about KTC Kyoto box end wrenches? I'd like to hear from you and everyone else who has experience with KTC Kyoto wrenches. Between Asahi and KTC, which one has tighter/better fit?
 

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What about KTC Kyoto box end wrenches? I'd like to hear from you and everyone else who has experience with KTC Kyoto wrenches. Between Asahi and KTC, which one has tighter/better fit?
Yeah, please feedback your experience of spanners especially tight fit and strength when for example you use an extension to undo a stubborn bolt.

I have some Stahlwille, Old Britool, Gedore and some other I don't remember.

I don't like the Gedore cause of the tolerances. Stahlwille and Britool are better.

I also think Stahlwille does not have very tight tolerances on the wrenches in contrast to their sockets which they fit the bolts tightly. Haven't had any problems though.

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Does anyone have this? It's made by KTC… the only reason I haven't purchased it is because I'm curious if there are any other socket sizes I could use. I know Gear Wrench makes some sockets that look like they might work but I can't be sure based on the info I've found so far.

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Does anyone have this? It's made by KTC… the only reason I haven't purchased it is because I'm curious if there are any other socket sizes I could use. I know Gear Wrench makes some sockets that look like they might work but I can't be sure based on the info I've found so far.

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I have the KTC and the Gearwrench as well as the Snapon YA9350B. The Gearwrench and Snapon sockets will not work with the KTC wrench. The Gearwrench uses a unique spline drive on their sockets and wrench and the Snapon sockets are a smaller drive size than the KTC sockets even though both are regular hex drive sockets. Snapon used to sell socket drive adapters for use with ratcheting wrenches. You put the adapter in the box end of the ratcheting wrench and then you could attach a socket to the adapter, thus making the ratcheting wrench into a ratchet of sorts. The largest of these adapters works with the KTC wrench although it is not a perfect fit. It is loose and the adapter will fall out. A piece of tape on the adapter to make the fit tight should fix that problem though. Then you could use regular sockets with the KTC wrench.

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I just looked at the 4 sockets the come with the KTC set and one of them is a 3/8" square adapter. So you can use any 3/8" socket with the wrench, although the adapter does not lock into the wrench like the other sockets. The adapter is loose and will fall out of the wrench unless you put a piece of tape on the adapter to make the fit tighter.
 
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