CrotalusAtrox
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Found a few vises today
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dodge610
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Your right I will just keep lookin not in a big hurry to get a vise. This guy i am dealing with is allways trying to sell most over priced.
dodge610
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Nope not in a hurry just lookin but knew nothing about babco that is why i checked with you guys the vise gurus.
dutchgray
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The 3 Ton has "Made in England" on the other side of the static body, this design did go Chinese made and I think they still make them, I wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't English.
It has to be pretty near the end of the English production though. Its definitely not as nice as the standard English mechanics pattern we all know.
The 3 Ton has "Made in England" on the other side of the static body, this design did go Chinese made and I think they still make them, I wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't English.
It has to be pretty near the end of the English production though. Its definitely not as nice as the standard English mechanics pattern we all know.
dutchgray
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CW
Very interesting.
Its obviously been cast from the standard patterns and then just made as a plain screw.
Very interesting.
Its obviously been cast from the standard patterns and then just made as a plain screw.
Outlawmws
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Fretters
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The derust will be a while yet.... however here are some strip down pictures.
The nut is exactly like a half nut .... but whole!
Exactly like, but....
Nice find there.royce
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CwazyWabbit
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Hmmm, what do I do about cleaning the brass up? Do I just give it a wash and scrub with a nylon brush so it keeps the 100+ years of aging? Or do I give a clean with wire wool?
drivesitfar
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CW: i know PATINA is something to think about, but take a gander at Don's thread and see some of his Brass he polished up and then decide. now the search is on for the brass static Parkinson or just a complete brass one?
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153099
Dutch: thanks for the 411 (information)
Royce: i'm telling you that is VISE **** if i've ever seen it. isn't the Prentiss 20 swivel jaw vise a 5 inch and maybe 75 pounds? VERY WELL DONE SIR!! for those of you that want to see how Royce picked up a scrap and made that gorgeous stand here's a thread he made with pictures in fabrication section.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336308
he has some talent and some awesome ideas that is for certain.
ALL: minding my own business and this Wilton shows up dated 1/70 with 4.5 inch jaws. i had to buy the bench, but that is a color and style i can deal with so that's a KEEPER TOO. view where this vise has been sitting for the last 45 years wasn't too bad either.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153099
Dutch: thanks for the 411 (information)
Royce: i'm telling you that is VISE **** if i've ever seen it. isn't the Prentiss 20 swivel jaw vise a 5 inch and maybe 75 pounds? VERY WELL DONE SIR!! for those of you that want to see how Royce picked up a scrap and made that gorgeous stand here's a thread he made with pictures in fabrication section.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336308
he has some talent and some awesome ideas that is for certain.
ALL: minding my own business and this Wilton shows up dated 1/70 with 4.5 inch jaws. i had to buy the bench, but that is a color and style i can deal with so that's a KEEPER TOO. view where this vise has been sitting for the last 45 years wasn't too bad either.
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Fretters
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If I want to clean any cupreous metal, I use electrolysis, same as for iron.
scooternut
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ROYCE
That "tri-beam" is killer, strong work.
That "tri-beam" is killer, strong work.
sandman54
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va.grouseman
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Yea Royce, you've moved over into the art category with that one.---Very nice!
zoomieport
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va.grouseman
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Sandman, A big round anvil would come in far more handy than some might think.---I like it.
What is the make of the big vise on the right of the table?
What is the make of the big vise on the right of the table?
zoomieport
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sandman54
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Hi Zoomie, it about the size of a basketball, i can barely lift it and I am not a sissy and it is very hard steel. According to a metal weight calculator about 176 lb.
VA, the vise u are referring to is a #3 Vanderman boiler maker and steamfitters vise. enjoy Sandman
VA, the vise u are referring to is a #3 Vanderman boiler maker and steamfitters vise. enjoy Sandman
zoomieport
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sandman54
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Hi Clarkmag, nice looking 604 and a half columbian. If u care to look at the first post on this page, the vise on the table to the far left is also a columbian. enjoy Sandman
va.grouseman
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Yep Sandman, I can see it now.---The pic cut off most of the profile shot on my end.---First time I've seen a #3 against something else for size reference.---Pretty hefty.
drivesitfar
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VA: pretty sure the Vanderman #3 weighs about 150 pounds and for an open screw vise there is nothing LIGHT DUTY ABOUT THEM. I think Oregon Rock Crusher just posted his Vanderman #3 last week that he just bought at the Oregon Steam Up.
Sandman and Zoomie: cool round shaped objects (anvils) and they are no little thinks either.
Sandman and Zoomie: cool round shaped objects (anvils) and they are no little thinks either.
CrotalusAtrox
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drivesitfar: Nice Wilton and very nice view, its 109 with humidity out here in AZ but I am still working in it, I think I have lost my marbles.I cleaned up this Craftsman Drill press vise today Really like de-burring wheels when its just surface rust.
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vintage nut
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I'd really like to find myself one of those palmgren style drill press vises sometime. My dad has a Japanese ERON one that's actually a very nice vise. The ERON record clone he's got is every bit as good as the English ones.
Currently my drill press vise is a heavy mill vise that works very well, it's just nice having something smaller sometimes.
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Currently my drill press vise is a heavy mill vise that works very well, it's just nice having something smaller sometimes.
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On Thursday morning I headed out to a nearby moving type of sale that advertised some old machinist's measuring tools. As I stepped into the nice little shop building, I was greeted by the smell of machine coolant. I love the smell of coolant in the morning. Smells like victory. And it told me I was in a real shop, even if the machines were already sold and gone. Many yard sales I stop at are a huge waste of time - junk tools at high prices. I was skunked on a couple on Friday, with far too much driving. So coolant smell? Good - these are my people!
This gentleman made parts for helicopter blades for 25 years, and also ladders for the A10 Warthog.
As I began to browse I quickly found a couple of nice cow old cow bells for my mom (buck a piece). Rusty and well used but with a great tone and patina. Another guy who had snuck in before the open beat me to a gorgeous cast iron wall hanging of a cowboy on a horse lassoing a hipster bull (obvious by the pierced nose). It was a really nice piece. It is not the sort of thing I collect, but the quality of the action scene, detail and casting were just great. He ended up getting it for $10. He was clearly a dealer.
After a few minutes the man himself entered. He was a WWII Veteran who had just celebrated his 91st birthday. He was moving to a smaller place, and out of the area. As the words began to come out of my mouth, "Do you have any vises..." I spotted the Record No 3 on the corner of a small bench. I asked if he would consider selling it. He gave it some hard thought and said he wasn't sure. We looked at some measuring tools. The prices were quite high and I wasn't going to dicker with him, so I passed (plus I mostly already have all that sutff). I picked up a half dozen small slitting saws with a couple of arbors, for $5.
We came back to the vise, and he wasn't ready to let it go yet. I stuck my number on it.
I spotted a nice 24" x 24" x 3/4" steel work plate on the bench. He accepted my offer of $10. The plate was stuck firmly to the bench - by gravity. Fortunately there was a burly gentleman, who had just bought a Christmas tree, to help me carry it to my car (est weight around 123 lbs). The tree, he explained, was to decorate his deer blind. He has large farm acreage, mainly for hunting deer - which he gleefully eats as his primary meat.
Outside, I spotted a large steel brick, and a lathe tailstock riser. A man cannot have too many steel bricks. I grabbed those and some other misc steel and brass for $5. The brass bits were bushings for the A10 ladder. I stopped back later for some fairly rusty Kant Twist clamps I had spotted earlier in the bottom of a cabinet, but forgot to ask about.
The gentleman called on Saturday about the vise and said I could pick it up if I still wanted it. $25. So I popped over and grabbed it, along with a box of non-rusty files and handles for $5.
I can see the original blue peeking out from chips in the over paint. There is a bit of rust, but not too bad. No signs of abuse. It is time for some R&R. And those oversized aluminum jaws need to go. For cleaning, not sure if I'll go for mechanical/chemical, or give electrolysis a try. The screw is clean, with no rust.
Any suggestions on a durable primer and paint that are a good match for the original blue? The blue is not as bright as the photo suggests. Tips on date would also be appreciated. I should have asked him when and where he bought it.
This gentleman made parts for helicopter blades for 25 years, and also ladders for the A10 Warthog.
As I began to browse I quickly found a couple of nice cow old cow bells for my mom (buck a piece). Rusty and well used but with a great tone and patina. Another guy who had snuck in before the open beat me to a gorgeous cast iron wall hanging of a cowboy on a horse lassoing a hipster bull (obvious by the pierced nose). It was a really nice piece. It is not the sort of thing I collect, but the quality of the action scene, detail and casting were just great. He ended up getting it for $10. He was clearly a dealer.
After a few minutes the man himself entered. He was a WWII Veteran who had just celebrated his 91st birthday. He was moving to a smaller place, and out of the area. As the words began to come out of my mouth, "Do you have any vises..." I spotted the Record No 3 on the corner of a small bench. I asked if he would consider selling it. He gave it some hard thought and said he wasn't sure. We looked at some measuring tools. The prices were quite high and I wasn't going to dicker with him, so I passed (plus I mostly already have all that sutff). I picked up a half dozen small slitting saws with a couple of arbors, for $5.
We came back to the vise, and he wasn't ready to let it go yet. I stuck my number on it.
I spotted a nice 24" x 24" x 3/4" steel work plate on the bench. He accepted my offer of $10. The plate was stuck firmly to the bench - by gravity. Fortunately there was a burly gentleman, who had just bought a Christmas tree, to help me carry it to my car (est weight around 123 lbs). The tree, he explained, was to decorate his deer blind. He has large farm acreage, mainly for hunting deer - which he gleefully eats as his primary meat.
Outside, I spotted a large steel brick, and a lathe tailstock riser. A man cannot have too many steel bricks. I grabbed those and some other misc steel and brass for $5. The brass bits were bushings for the A10 ladder. I stopped back later for some fairly rusty Kant Twist clamps I had spotted earlier in the bottom of a cabinet, but forgot to ask about.
The gentleman called on Saturday about the vise and said I could pick it up if I still wanted it. $25. So I popped over and grabbed it, along with a box of non-rusty files and handles for $5.
I can see the original blue peeking out from chips in the over paint. There is a bit of rust, but not too bad. No signs of abuse. It is time for some R&R. And those oversized aluminum jaws need to go. For cleaning, not sure if I'll go for mechanical/chemical, or give electrolysis a try. The screw is clean, with no rust.
Any suggestions on a durable primer and paint that are a good match for the original blue? The blue is not as bright as the photo suggests. Tips on date would also be appreciated. I should have asked him when and where he bought it.
Outlawmws
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Cool finds and nice vise! - You need to post the rest of that in the Garage sale thread!
IHmachinery
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Any suggestions on a durable primer and paint that are a good match for the original blue? The blue is not as bright as the photo suggests. Tips on date would also be appreciated. I should have asked him when and where he bought it.
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If you are going t wire wheel it down to bare metal, I like the self-etching automotive primer - you can get it in spray cans form any auto parts store. I have not done any controlled side-by-side comparisons, so don't know if it is really any better than tremclad primer or something like that, but I have always had very good results.
As for finish, VintageNut found some blue caliper paint at an auto parts store that he used on a couple of Record vises, and I used on a Dawn vise (posted some pics a month or two ago). I think it is a pretty good match for the original Record blue, and it seems to be a pretty good paint.
I'm out of town this week, but maybe VN can provide details if he gets a chance.
Very nice story! Always a pleasure meeting old guys like that and hearing their stories ...
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[/QUOTE]If you are going t wire wheel it down to bare metal, I like the self-etching automotive primer - you can get it in spray cans form any auto parts store. I have not done any controlled side-by-side comparisons, so don't know if it is really any better than tremclad primer or something like that, but I have always had very good results.
As for finish, VintageNut found some blue caliper paint at an auto parts store that he used on a couple of Record vises, and I used on a Dawn vise (posted some pics a month or two ago). I think it is a pretty good match for the original Record blue, and it seems to be a pretty good paint.
I'm out of town this week, but maybe VN can provide details if he gets a chance.
Very nice story! Always a pleasure meeting old guys like that and hearing their stories ...
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IHmachinery
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Here is a picture of the Dawn vise so you can see the color
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CwazyWabbit
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The blue for record vices is often called Roundel Blue, after the blue found on the RAF symbol. It's officially BS381C 110 Roundel Blue, no doubt that'll be expensive to your side of the pond but I'm sure someone will pipe up with a suitable alternative.
Any suggestions on a durable primer and paint that are a good match for the original blue? The blue is not as bright as the photo suggests. Tips on date would also be appreciated. I should have asked him when and where he bought it.
If you are going t wire wheel it down to bare metal, I like the self-etching automotive primer - you can get it in spray cans form any auto parts store. I have not done any controlled side-by-side comparisons, so don't know if it is really any better than tremclad primer or something like that, but I have always had very good results.
As for finish, VintageNut found some blue caliper paint at an auto parts store that he used on a couple of Record vises, and I used on a Dawn vise (posted some pics a month or two ago). I think it is a pretty good match for the original Record blue, and it seems to be a pretty good paint.
I'm out of town this week, but maybe VN can provide details if he gets a chance.
Very nice story! Always a pleasure meeting old guys like that and hearing their stories ...
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As for primer,i use just the standard rattle can rustoleum primer grey automotive. This stuff sticks good. Even my friends caustic dunk tank had problems removing the stuff even after sitting in the tank for 2 days!
joe.striper
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I think That's a gm yost rotating head vise and a Parker 439 or something like that.
Outlawmws
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I don't know for sure but I want either or both...
va.grouseman
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Is it a Williamson MFG.?
This Reed popped up today, but it's a couple hundred miles from me...no time to make the drive to CLT in the next couple weeks.
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/tls/5732697662.html
I did make him an offer to hold it...not holding my breath.
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/tls/5732697662.html
I did make him an offer to hold it...not holding my breath.
va.grouseman
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That's a mighty good deal S4.---Hope you get it.
joe.striper
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Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner, Parketrotating body c andcYost rotating body. The purchaser of these vises has repeatefly found 8" vises in the last 90 days and now these, and yet he REFUSES to share his lucre. Bernie would be disappointed...so disappointed...
drivesitfar
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JOE: maybe he doesn't appreciate being called a B'stard?? 
Meatsis: i'm guessing your minion is showing off your NICE HAUL. WELL DONE SIR!!
ALL: not on my KEEPER list, but a friend wanted a nice swivel base old US made vise and i found this Athol 625 that i'll spiff up to give to him for helping me keep my Honda running down the highway.
it's in great shape except for a few nicks here and there, but taking the swivel pin apart i can see that a prior owner either didn't tighten it down good when using it because the grooves are pretty worn on the part. it still holds down good and maybe that's why OLDIE doesn't like swivelers.
the Wilton i picked up yesterday had the swivel pin and the owner unscrewed it too far and didn't understand or want to try to figure out how to get it back together so it sat on the bench for years not being used.
Meatsis: i'm guessing your minion is showing off your NICE HAUL. WELL DONE SIR!!
ALL: not on my KEEPER list, but a friend wanted a nice swivel base old US made vise and i found this Athol 625 that i'll spiff up to give to him for helping me keep my Honda running down the highway.
it's in great shape except for a few nicks here and there, but taking the swivel pin apart i can see that a prior owner either didn't tighten it down good when using it because the grooves are pretty worn on the part. it still holds down good and maybe that's why OLDIE doesn't like swivelers.
the Wilton i picked up yesterday had the swivel pin and the owner unscrewed it too far and didn't understand or want to try to figure out how to get it back together so it sat on the bench for years not being used.
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vintage nut
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I can't remember the exact blue paint I used on my records, but it was a plastikote engine enamel. Maybe Ford? I can't remember. I'll have to check next time I'm over there.
Surprisingly tough stuff, especially if you bake it on with a heat lamp or heat gun.
I think the caliper paint IHmachinery was thinking of is the metallic gold I used for the Wilton mechanics vise I found in a ditch a while back. The blue was an engine paint. At least assuming I'm remembering properly....
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Surprisingly tough stuff, especially if you bake it on with a heat lamp or heat gun.
I think the caliper paint IHmachinery was thinking of is the metallic gold I used for the Wilton mechanics vise I found in a ditch a while back. The blue was an engine paint. At least assuming I'm remembering properly....
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