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Modern Jess

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We were joking about how coffee is much like hifi in that it attracts an extremely tweaky kind of person and that once you go down the rabbit hole there's almost no escape. It may not seem like it but one of my goals in life is to not chase every passion to the outer limit. I have a great hifi that I just listen to without upgrading, I have a roast profile I like and I don't obsessively cup beans and roast profiles. I don't want to be a master carpenter - just really good. I do want to be an excellent machinist and welder but that will take the rest of my life and I'm okay with that. In a way I actually want to be a jack of all trades and a master of none... well, one I guess.

I was well into adulthood when my brother pointed out something to me that I had not realized on my own. "Jesse, when you get into something, you really go deep. Straight down the rabbit hole." And he was right. What's worse is that when that rabbit hole begins to bore me, I start looking around for something else to go deep on. Well, it's not like I plan on going deep. It just happens.

So having finally recognized this tendency in myself, I have become pretty good at recognizing it in others, as well. Thus, I'll ask you to trust me when I say, in all sincerity, that you've got it bad, my friend. Worse than almost anyone I know.

But that's what makes this thread so entertaining. :)
 
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Good to read there are more people that do this. It's something I can't make my wife understand. But I'm usually with the "fast" guys even with the trailor. :)

My dad pulls a 20 foot fairly lightweight trailer with a 1 ton extended wheelbase van. I joked with him about having a little overkill until I followed him through the Smokies this summer. Now I understand why he likes the heavy duty suspension/sway bars! He thinks he is on his Suzuki Bandit when driving that thing. Still pulls over when the truly fast guys catch up, though.
 

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I have literally spent two days re-reading your thread and reading Modern_Jess's thread. I think you're both a bad influence on me because I already have a list of things I've told the wife I have to do now ... but it's totally worth it. Keep up the awesome posts and I can't wait to see what's next!
 

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Gregor,

Amazing thread filled with amazing work and skill.

Are you a watch guy? As a fellow watch guy myself, I couldn't help but notice the diver style watch on your wrist. What make and model are you wearing here?

Thanks,

Kevin
 
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Your photo of the camp site is absolutely awesome. beautiful use of lighting for the shot.

Thanks! That is something that the new Sony does very well - low light photography. It used to be that cameras didn't make as much difference as they do but now the different cameras have very distinct personalities. The Sony is difficult to use but rewarding when you get it right.

I have literally spent two days re-reading your thread and reading Modern_Jess's thread. I think you're both a bad influence on me because I already have a list of things I've told the wife I have to do now ... but it's totally worth it. Keep up the awesome posts and I can't wait to see what's next!

Yeah, Jess is a bad influence. That's why I like him and subscribe...

Gregor,

Amazing thread filled with amazing work and skill.

Are you a watch guy? As a fellow watch guy myself, I couldn't help but notice the diver style watch on your wrist. What make and model are you wearing here?

Thanks,

Kevin

I'm not so much a "watch guy" as a Seiko guy. I never wore watches until about 4 or 5 years ago and now I can't not have one on. I always wanted a Rolex but the cost was too much for something that I knew I would just trash. I don't like things I have to worry about. When I discovered the sub cult of Seiko's, and specifically the SKX007's, and of modding them I started down the rabbit hole. ******* rabbits. It wasn't enough to fit new hands so I started making bezels since it seemed the one thing there wasn't many options for. Here's three that I made:

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I enjoyed trying to come up with designs that fit the style of the watch and band I had and that were different - something that is hard to do in the saturated world of watches. I toyed with the idea of producing them and took them to a machine shop to see if they could duplicate them on the CNC but never followed through. There are some extremely tight tolerances involved and I wasn't sure if we'd be able to hit them. In the end I just let it go - I have so much going on as it is.

The watch I wear daily is a Seiko SKA371 which isn't a true "mechanical" but a kinetic but I like the larger size of it compared to my collection of SKX007's and I like that it keeps perfect time, is super robust and durable and never stops or needs to be wound if I don't wear it for a day or a week.

So watches are another thing I'm trying to keep in check...

Gregor
 

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Gregor,

I think that I am going to stop following your build because it's too full of amazing things that might kill my bank account:p:dunno::lol:

I am quite interested in watches but never heard of the skx007 before and now..I just read a lot about it the last 30 min:lol_hitti:evil: Grr, gonna be hard to resist!!

Really like the bezel you made, especially the 2nd one!

Antoine
 

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Sakura,

Amazing thread! I had read a lot of your thread a couple of years ago and then was "away" from GJ for a couple of years. Loved the renovation on the house and garage.

The pics of the trailer and your camping experiences will be very fond childhood memories for your children, even with the leaky roof. I've been there and done that too ... leaky roof, motorhome renovation, and all!

Thanks for sharing all this!
Cheers!

P.S. I love Seiko's as well - they never die!
 

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Gregor,

You are too much! Are you going to start smelting your own alloys for the bezels? Maybe some Damascus or just a touch of guilloche work. Beautiful design & images. Thank you for sharing.

Rabbit gestation period = 31 days.

Huxley
 

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I'm not so much a "watch guy" as a Seiko guy. I never wore watches until about 4 or 5 years ago and now I can't not have one on. I always wanted a Rolex but the cost was too much for something that I knew I would just trash. I don't like things I have to worry about. When I discovered the sub cult of Seiko's, and specifically the SKX007's, and of modding them I started down the rabbit hole. ******* rabbits. It wasn't enough to fit new hands so I started making bezels since it seemed the one thing there wasn't many options for. Here's three that I made:

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I enjoyed trying to come up with designs that fit the style of the watch and band I had and that were different - something that is hard to do in the saturated world of watches. I toyed with the idea of producing them and took them to a machine shop to see if they could duplicate them on the CNC but never followed through. There are some extremely tight tolerances involved and I wasn't sure if we'd be able to hit them. In the end I just let it go - I have so much going on as it is.

The watch I wear daily is a Seiko SKA371 which isn't a true "mechanical" but a kinetic but I like the larger size of it compared to my collection of SKX007's and I like that it keeps perfect time, is super robust and durable and never stops or needs to be wound if I don't wear it for a day or a week.

So watches are another thing I'm trying to keep in check...

Gregor

Superb craftsmanship!

If you ever change your mind about producing the SKX bezels, I can point you towards SKX cult members that would purchase them. Heck, I'd love to purchase a bezel or two myself!

Keep up the great work.

Kevin
 

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...so I started making bezels...

Gregor

Of course you did.

Enjoying Garage Journal is walking the line between inspiration overload and realizing that low self-esteem is sometimes just good common sense. fml

Carry on!
 

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I'm cursing you right now. I try to stay away from the other garage threads, but you've mentioned Modern Jess' thread a few times now. Page 1 I'm already on Google. Another rabbit hole that spawns many more. And I had plans to get stuff done in my basement workshop this weekend, but now that page 4 gave me some ideas, nothing will get done because more research, thinking and reading is in order! Damnit!

There's a word for all this, and it's not genius if you ask my wife!
 
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With fall coming I've been trying to stay on top of the trailer - literally.

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The roof is a riot of miscellaneous sealants and failures. There's no one way to fix them and there's no real consensus about how to repair the roof. I decided to start with the various vents but first I had to make a tool to scrape the heavy stuff off.

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I was looking for a solution or a way to scrape the tar like material on the seams and came across an aircraft sealant scraping tool - it was $175 and was basically a screwdriver with a threaded tip and some plastic wedges. You can't use steel on the aluminum as you'll just tear the skin (I found this out first hand with my first attempts) so I turned up a handle and threaded the end and then found some plexi in my scrap bins and cut, drilled and threaded it as well.

And saved myself $175.

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So far it's working pretty good. It seems to work better as a chisel if you tap on the back with a hammer but it's certainly not easy. Anything mechanical that is strong enough to remove the sealant would also damage the aluminum.

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The one nice thing about RV's is that they seem to not change much. The bathroom vent from the 70's is still in production and so I got an exact replacement.

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This was a pretty simply job as it was screwed in and the sealant was so dried that it pretty much popped off. That foreground seam is keeping me up at night however.

The two dents (which also have tears in the skin) are both on the corners which are of course the rounded parts. Not a simple curve either but the double sort of curve that you can't do on the slip roll which I have. The sort of curve that requires an english wheel. No way around it.

Darn.

While making an english wheel has been on my list for about 20 years or so I've never had a reason and also never used one. I've sketched them and thought about them and often looked for them. I know making one before I've ever used one is dumb so I hit Craigs List on a regular basis when it crosses my mind hoping to secure a deal.

And then I saw one for $150. Sure it would be small and crappy but it would be perfect for making a couple of patches for the trailer and crushing my fingers. So far it's only been good for the latter.

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It was a person who's girlfriend's ex husband had passed away they were just trying to clear out years of junk. He was a bike rider as well and sensing that there might be more things I asked if I could look around. "Anything you take is one less thing for us to deal with and I know it will go to a good home - let me get you a box!"

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So I got the english wheel and everything you see there for $200. The steal of a lifetime for sure but the guy was happy that it was going to someone who would use it and appreciate it instead of flipping it all on ebay so we both walked away happy.

Included in the lot was this little guy.

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It's an obscure tool called a rivet shaver which I'll explain in the next post but it is very hard to find and I had been looking for one for two months. Of course I'd just found one the week before for $150 but this is the next larger size.

This fortuitous score has rounded out just about all the sheet metal tools I could possibly need for the trailer and beyond. Next up I'm going to try to put some of them to use and show the rivet shaver which is a pretty nifty thing.

Gregor
 

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With fall coming I've been trying to stay on top of the trailer - literally.

The roof is a riot of miscellaneous sealants and failures. There's no one way to fix them and there's no real consensus about how to repair the roof. I decided to start with the various vents but first I had to make a tool to scrape the heavy stuff off.

I was looking for a solution or a way to scrape the tar like material on the seams and came across an aircraft sealant scraping tool - it was $175 and was basically a screwdriver with a threaded tip and some plastic wedges. You can't use steel on the aluminum as you'll just tear the skin (I found this out first hand with my first attempts) so I turned up a handle and threaded the end and then found some plexi in my scrap bins and cut, drilled and threaded it as well.

And saved myself $175.

So far it's working pretty good. It seems to work better as a chisel if you tap on the back with a hammer but it's certainly not easy. Anything mechanical that is strong enough to remove the sealant would also damage the aluminum.

The one nice thing about RV's is that they seem to not change much. The bathroom vent from the 70's is still in production and so I got an exact replacement.

This was a pretty simply job as it was screwed in and the sealant was so dried that it pretty much popped off. That foreground seam is keeping me up at night however.

The two dents (which also have tears in the skin) are both on the corners which are of course the rounded parts. Not a simple curve either but the double sort of curve that you can't do on the slip roll which I have. The sort of curve that requires an english wheel. No way around it.

Darn.

While making an english wheel has been on my list for about 20 years or so I've never had a reason and also never used one. I've sketched them and thought about them and often looked for them. I know making one before I've ever used one is dumb so I hit Craigs List on a regular basis when it crosses my mind hoping to secure a deal.

And then I saw one for $150. Sure it would be small and crappy but it would be perfect for making a couple of patches for the trailer and crushing my fingers. So far it's only been good for the latter.

It was a person who's girlfriend's ex husband had passed away they were just trying to clear out years of junk. He was a bike rider as well and sensing that there might be more things I asked if I could look around. "Anything you take is one less thing for us to deal with and I know it will go to a good home - let me get you a box!"

So I got the english wheel and everything you see there for $200. The steal of a lifetime for sure but the guy was happy that it was going to someone who would use it and appreciate it instead of flipping it all on ebay so we both walked away happy.

Included in the lot was this little guy.

It's an obscure tool called a rivet shaver which I'll explain in the next post but it is very hard to find and I had been looking for one for two months. Of course I'd just found one the week before for $150 but this is the next larger size.

This fortuitous score has rounded out just about all the sheet metal tools I could possibly need for the trailer and beyond. Next up I'm going to try to put some of them to use and show the rivet shaver which is a pretty nifty thing.

Gregor

I may be the only one who is dumb enough to say this to YOU, but YOU ****!

I have been following your thread for a while now, I am dumbfounded by your talent in everything you do. You have a wonderful house and your side projects follow suit.
 
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I used to do aircraft fuel system repair and have a ton of experience scraping sealant. The plexiglass is okay in my professional opinion, but tends to crack. Find a piece of phenolic block and use it instead. It is more forgiving and easier to shape.

Another thing, buy MEK (if you can in your state) and a boat load of small brass brushes. Using those together after you finish the rough scraping will get the fine items off without damaging the aluminum. Another useful tool we always use are dental picks. They work well at the faying surface seal to grab little bits - just don't dig hard.

One last item to purchase (we all love spending others money). For sealing, if you can find a filleting gun and an assortment of tips you will be happier in the final product. Shoot, also get a few sealant spatulas from Semco. I'd buy the 3 piece set, but a #2 and #3 spatula are really the ones you need. They can make anyone have professional results.

As a parting bit of advise. Final clean with MEK and then put down a primer before you seal. Just like a good paint job, sealant works best with a prepared surface and you are learning quickly that scraping sealant *****.

Best wishes and keep up the great work!
 

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Uh, Yeah, You definitely got a deal!!!! The metal shear (motorized and looks like a drill body) is worth some dollars... What brand is it?

Nice way to bundle up!

To be candid, the english wheel probably is not heavy enough to do any serious metal forming.

Go get on "allmetalshaping.com" and check out some threads there. They have a whole section just on E-wheel and what works or doesn't. There are a number of other section that specifically talk about metal forming and techniques.. It's a whole 'nother rabbit hole!!

Thanks for sharing your adventures, good, bad, ugly and awesome!
 

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Nice score on the tools. Especially the rivet shaver. Suggest you see if you can find the spare cutters for it on the usual sources. The rest is not bad either... a few other little treasures there too. Here I was feeling good about my $20 5c collet closer score.

That is one fancy looking scraper. I made one like a carbide scraper that takes flat sheet plastic inserts. Got ruined while removing spoilt epoxy resin... inspire me to make another. On the right path with the scotchbrite pad. You get pads for most sanders and the random orbital is my favourite. Little scotchbrite flapwheels for die grinders too. Used on on my belt sander to put a nice brushed finish on aluminium again. Another product is the 3M Roloc radial bristle discs. The softer grade works well on taking stuff off aluminium without clogging. MEK is nasty stuff but it works. Looks like you may have a collection of sealants too. Xylene, acetone and mineral spirits tend to take care of the rest though I would be careful around the plastics and wiring as MEK even dissolves ABS. Don't want it leaking into a joint and spoiling what is underneath.
 
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I used to do aircraft fuel system ...Find a piece of phenolic block and use it instead. It is more forgiving and easier to shape.

Another thing, buy MEK (if you can in your state) and a boat load of small brass brushes... just don't dig hard.

One last item to purchase (we all love spending others money). For sealing, if you can find a filleting gun and an assortment of tips you will be happier in the final product.

Best wishes and keep up the great work!

Thanks for the tips - I sense this is very good advice. What is a filleting gun? It's not something googleable. Is that a word? I will check out MEK too as I hadn't heard of it before. Little nervous about damaging the foam that lies under the aluminum skin. Also, the aluminum of the Avion is anodized so I have to be careful to not damage that - would the brass brushes be okay?

Uh, Yeah, You definitely got a deal!!!! The metal shear (motorized and looks like a drill body) is worth some dollars... What brand is it?

Nice way to bundle up!

To be candid, the english wheel probably is not heavy enough to do any serious metal forming.

Thanks for sharing your adventures, good, bad, ugly and awesome!

The shear is a CLR Kett and it's in good shape - better than the trashed one I already had. The depth gauges are Starrett and the inside mics are Mitutuyo.
My favorite part was that I had about $200 worth of rivnuts and rivnut drivers in my Amazon basket when I discovered the cabinet with all of them. It was basically everything I was looking for plus some. It was nice to empty that Amazon basket when I got home.

Probably the cheapest thing in the lot was the actual english wheel, and yes, I know it's a crappy one. I figure I will learn a lot by truing up the wheels on the lathe and then welding bracing to the frame to give it strength. By that time I will have an understanding of what the wheel does (other than crush my fingers) and probably go about building one from scratch.

Nice score on the tools. Especially the rivet shaver. Here I was feeling good about my $20 5c collet closer score.

MEK is nasty stuff but it works. Looks like you may have a collection of sealants too. Xylene, acetone and mineral spirits tend to take care of the rest though I would be careful around the plastics and wiring as MEK even dissolves ABS. Don't want it leaking into a joint and spoiling what is underneath.

$20 for a 5c collet closer? Dang, that is a steal. And boy are they nice to use.

Yes, good points. Right now the mineral spirits and scotchbrite do a pretty good job. I like to incrementally increase the strength of my solvents so I'll consider the MEK (MEK is a liquid solvent used in surface coatings, adhesives, printing inks, chemical intermediates, magnetic tapes and lube oil dewaxing agents. MEK also is used as an extraction medium for fats, oils, waxes and resins. It is a highly efficient and versatile solvent for surface coatings.) the nuclear option.

Thanks for all the advise - I suspect that I'll need more as the project continues.

Gregor
 
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I figured I'd have until October to get the roof sealed up but the rains have started. Hopefully we'll have a dry stretch where I can finish it up before fall truly arrives.

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So this plumbing vent cap was my first trial with all my new tools. You can read all about rivets and tools but it's only when you start that you figure it out.

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New tool number... oh, let's not count, the wife might read this someday. This is a rivet drilling tool.

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The collet at the nose encapsulates the rivet to help center the drill. The drill has a depth stop so that you only drill off the head of the rivet and don't accidentally drill out the hole and make it oversize. That's important if you want to keep using the same size rivets.

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Disgusting.

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Scotchbrite and mineral spirits seem to do a decent but time consuming job of getting up the gunk. I don't even know what the gray striped stuff is that covers the entire roof. It looks like it might have been a sealer but it seems too sparse so I'm wondering if it was a grip coating. At one place they brushed out "720" in larger numbers which means it probably wasn't something to cover the roof as a sealer. Who knows.

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I mark out six spots on the new cap that will need 5/32" holes for the new rivets. I'm not measuring them but eyeing them.

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The next tool - a Roper Whitney No. 4 punch. A sheet metal book recommended this tool as a great way to punch holes in the edges of material and they were right. It's got a depth stop for consistency and it's also super cheap on ebay since they've been making them for about 100 years in the same basic form. A great tool that does a perfect job.

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Clecos and cleco pliers. I have wanted clecos forever. I don't know why but they've always seemed like this incredibly simple yet smart tool. They were originally developed to hold riveted panels together before they were permanently fastened with blind rivets. If you've ever tried to drill multiple holes in something and then try to get them to all line up you know the frustration. Clecoes solve this by letting you drill one hole and then insert the spring loaded cleco which draws the material together and holds it tightly together and also in alignment. Drill the next hole and insert cleco. Repeat.

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Unlike the english wheel the clecos didn't disappoint me. They are magical little tools that are just as cool as I imagined they would be. I want to rivet everything now.

I use the knife to make a witness mark for alignment and then continue to drill and cleco the cap into place.

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When you're not sure you wear belt and suspenders. Packed around the cap (where previously there was nothing) is Dicor butyl tape which the RV community swears by. It's sticky and thick and fills up gaps pretty well and yes, I probably went overboard. I packed it in the gap and held a piece of screen in place with it. It's like adult silly putty. The Sikaflex is the self leveling sealant that also gets praise. I use that outside the Dicor on the edge of the new cap.

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I dip the rivet into the Sikaflex so as to complete the seal. Not sure if this is necessary but perhaps this is belt, suspenders and waders.

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You would normally install the rivets one at a time while removing clecos but the sealant negates that since I don't want to ruin my new favorite gizmos. Luckily the witness mark and the use of the clecos means that the cap alignment is perfect. I used too much of the Sikaflex but I cleaned it up.

And now you're wondering why the rivets have this stem sticking up right? These are Olympic Shaveable Rivets. Another super cool little thing I've discovered. Here's the process.

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They break higher up to guarantee a stem. You snip the stem with a pair of dykes so it's just proud of the rivet and then you use the rivet shaver to mill off the stem and shave the whole head so that it looks like a bucked rivet. Forgive the lack of an "action" shot but it's a two hand process.

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Bucked rivets are a two man job that require access to both sides of the material. Solid and reliable and a time tested technique. If you don't have access to both sides you have to use a pop rivet but then you have something that looks like a pop rivet. This gives you the smooth look of a bucked rivet. Pretty nifty right?

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I also got a new vent cap for the vent over the kitchen. Clecos to the rescue!

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So that is one of three plumbing vents and the one main broken ventilation vent. The next main goal is to drill out the entire seam that was redone with pop rivets, clean it and then put dicor into the seam, clecos, sikaflex on the Olympic rivets and then finally cover the whole seam with Eternabond tape. That should be like belt, suspenders, waders, rain jacket and an umbrella...

I'm sure that at that point the windows will leak.

Once that is done I'll make patches for the two holes and repeat the process after wheeling and anodizing the patches but that is for another day and another post.

Gregor
 

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Yup. Straight down the rabbit hole. :)

Anyway, love love love clekos. They appeal to some inarticulable part of my personality in ways that few other tools do. Wish I had more opportunities to use them.

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It was... not my finest hour. It was actually one of my first really ambitious fabricate-something-from-scratch projects, leading up to Scooter Cannonball in 2008. A foolish and misguided attempt to hide the auxiliary gas tank (which actually it did very well) and make the bike more aerodynamic (which was just stupid).

I actually learned a lot from that project, more things than I can count: welding, laying up carbon fiber, pouring and shaping epoxy foam, building bucks and mold forms, plumbing long-range auxiliary gas tanks, and probably a bunch more things that I can't remember. I spent a good year building that bike, only to end up with something that was not appreciably faster and noticeably less comfortable. Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted, and that project delivered experience in spades.

One month before the race, already frustrated by the fact that this bike was the proverbial "Monday bike" -- not especially fast among its peers -- I managed to discover a novel way to tear the oil pan gasket out with the drive belt (it's a long story) and in a fit of anger, marched to my local neighborhood Vespa dealer, plunked down thousands of dollars for a brand-new one, and then managed to hit the rev limiter less than 50 miles later, breaking it in as hard as I could. It didn't help (or hurt?) that I was mad, mad, mad as hell, and was now taking it out on the new bike. But it worked. That bike was faster than any of that model that I had ever ridden, and I won my class with it.

The biggest lesson learned, though: Don't bring a quarter mile bike to Cannonball. It is not a sprint. It is an endurance event. Your fast bike means nothing while you're stopped at a gas station taking a leak or stretching your legs.

But I digress.

A couple more pictures of The Silver Ghost:

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As someone else mentioned MEK is a solvent and a darned great one at that. You might remember it from your childhood making plastic models. The good Testors glue in the blue tube used it. It does melt plastic, so yes, be careful where you use it.

I'm not sure about the brass brush and an anodized finish. I'd think anything that abrades runs the risk of removing an anodized finish. My advice would be to test on a small hidden area.

A filleting gun is a specialized caulk gun with replaceable tips to control the flow of sealant. Semco is the primary manufacturer. Here is a link to a video on fillet sealing using a filleting gun.
 

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They break higher up to guarantee a stem. You snip the stem with a pair of dykes so it's just proud of the rivet and then you use the rivet shaver to mill off the stem and shave the whole head so that it looks like a bucked rivet. Forgive the lack of an "action" shot but it's a two hand process.

Doesn't this in effect also seal the center of the rivet? I've seen these on a TV show about a company in WA (IIRC) that rebuilds old camping trailers.
 

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Gregor, thank you for reminding me how many tools I need but don't have. I now have a used Roper Whitney punch and new Cleco and Pliers kit arriving in the near future. The rivet removal tool is saved on the Northern Tool site waiting for one of their sale flyers to arrive. My riveting projects will hopefully involve mostly setting although to be honest I expect to be in removal mode almost immediately after. After setting a few 1/4" pop rivets I graduated to a pneumatic riveter.
 

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Gregor, are you using sealed pop rivets, or just standard pop rivets? Adding the sealant should be helpful, but I wonder if it reduces the compression? Even if it does, you have every opening sealed pretty tight. In my experience, we'd top seal the rivet, but I don't know that it would be necessary in your instance.

Keep up the great work! When will you buff it out to a mirrored finish? :lol_hitti
 

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I'm not quite sure how I have previously missed learning about shaveable rivets, but, I'm not surprised that I learned about them on this thread. :thumbup:

Must purchase new tools... :lol_hitti

Of course, one never knows with mother nature, but I'd wager it's too early for the rains to move back in to stay for a while, i.e. until next summer... I think you'll have quite a bit of sunshine in your near future. Decades ago we started a house build in August on Bainbridge Island. It rained for all of September and the house wasn't yet closed in. We thought we were done for, but October was unusually sunny and gorgeous and we got the house dried in before the summer sunshine contract expired.

Keep posting all of this good work!
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