Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[BUGTHUG]

He does live kind of close to Arkansas. Its ok to marry your cousins, (wink, wink). Sometimes the family tree is a tall trunk

 

[Guster]

He does live kind of close to Arkansas. Its ok to marry your cousins, (wink, wink). Sometimes the family tree is a tall trunk

Tall trunk is often better than a very large flat bush... think about it!

Then again with the increase of single parents, short term inflagrante relationships and 'donored' children it will be pretty darn impossible to keep track of who's who and not unlikely to mistake genetic sibling recognition for a romantic attraction in this new society.

Least in Oklahoma they still know who's who and avoid grafting to close to the rootstock.

 

[BUGTHUG]

Tall trunk is often better than a very large flat bush... think about it!

Then again with the increase of single parents, short term inflagrante relationships and 'donored' children it will be pretty darn impossible to keep track of who's who and not unlikely to mistake genetic sibling recognition for a romantic attraction in this new society.

Least in Oklahoma they still know who's who and avoid grafting to close to the rootstock.

Have you been to OK. lately??

 

[Guster]

Have you been to OK. lately??

Sorry... GJ doesn't really have an appropriate tongue-firmly-planted-in-cheek smilie. The laughing one at the end of my comment was the best I could do - you work with what you have sometimes.

Actually I sit next to an ex-pat Patriot here at work and he gives me all the context I need to know exactly what we're dealing with here!

Though I have to say other than the family ties it doesn't sound much like the hardworking, pragmatic and sensible Andy I see - you have to work with what you have sometimes, I guess.

 

[bluestripe67]

Andy, the work speaks for it's self. Looking good all the way. How is the stray pup doing? Is he cared for and given a name? He needs a home!

 

[madoc1]

andy, looking good. as you live out in the country, as i used to, i understand about people "losing" their dogs out there.

jim

 

[60 weight]

Dang, maybe there's more to his "forefather and three mothers" story than I caught the first time around! Brings a whole new meaning to the term "family tree" yours includes the whole root system also! I've followed your complete build Andy and admire your skills and determination.Very motivating.

 

[BUGTHUG]

andy, looking good. as you live out in the country, as i used to, i understand about people "losing" their dogs out there.

jim

Sometimes you got to worry about dumbasses dumping their animals out here in the country

 

[oldironfarmer]

Nah, I don't buy it Andy - I recon that you planned it all along.

No, honest, it was a simple mistake. I make them all the time in my rush to get something done. A woodworking mantra is that it is not as important to avoid mistakes as to how you recover from them. I rely on that a lot because I'm good at recovering. Maybe that comes from practice.

Good one Andy. Not as good as you family story, but a good one none the less.

.

Tag, you're it! Not really, but I haven't forgotten

Sometimes I think if it weren't for dumb luck I'd have no luck at all. I will have to make a trip over there sometime to help you out, if for no other reason than to just tell stories and laugh at some of the dumb luck we've both undoubtedly had.

Speaking of dumb luck, I shouldn't have survived childhood, or at least not had full function of all of my extremities. I am one of six boys and have no sisters, to say that we made trouble and gave our parents a heart attack a few times would be an understatement. About 5 years ago when most of us were in our early to mid 20's we were home for Thanksgiving. We were pecking around in old boxes of stuff and found a small bow and arrow. Well one thing led to another and we ended up playing catch with the arrow. One of my more athletic brothers actually shot two arrows in the air and caught both of them.

Then last week my youngest brother who is 17 and planning to go to college to be an engineer as well sent my dad a text basically saying he had done one of the stupidest things he had ever done. (Turned out to be an understatement.) He had set some cardboard boxes by the door and shot them with a crossbow. Well the bolt (arrow) went through the boxes, door, and the glass on the screen door. We all got a kick out of that one.

JB

Had a friend, he's deceased now, that used to tell about him and his two brothers. They had an old house on the place with big red wasp nests in it. The three would go into the house, close the door, and throw a stick at a large wasp nest. Flailing madly, the last one out was the winner.

I'm a wimp.

They make 9' sheetrock

When did they start doing that Actually I guess I knew that and had forgotten. We have laid it down for so many years with a nine foot ceiling we just put a one foot strip in the middle.

Alas, the die is cast, and I can't change it now.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, as you said "a good days work " well done..

Thank you

Haha, that brings back memories JB, I "caught" a home-made arrow with my eye brow once.
A couple of years later I "caught" a home-made spear with same eye brow.

When I said "caught", I actually mean "block" (I have to clarify or Andy will visualize huge hairy eye brows that can actually grab hold of things).

It was quite convenient that we lived across the street from the ambulance station.

Ah, the memories! When I was about seven, I stood behind our neighbor to watch him hit a golf ball (on our adjoining lawns, no there was not enough space) but I stood about 1/2 inch too close. Caught it in the eyebrow. Oww! Scar to impress the girls Oh yeah, I don't want to impress the girls that are impressed by scars

Tin is up already! I’m almost sure I spotted an army of Amish barn-raising ninja silhouettes in the treeline. Hiding just out of shot in that last photo. Either that or your family tree has some strong Amish branches… because there’s a good amount of barn-raisin’ in your blood sir.

I know the feeling. My wife makes a good slave driver. Last year this time she left me home, looking after kids, cooking dinner and pouring concrete for the deck posts. Gets mighty confusing trying not to put concrete in the pot and rice in the post hole after the 5th or so back-and-forth between kitchen and backyard while checking on the chicken roast. Men are not really equipped for multitasking at that level of extreme.

Boy isn't that the truth!

Guster as duster or probabaly more like buster. Username I used primarily on sailing and kitesurfing forums and eventually it stuck!

Gust
1. A strong, abrupt rush of wind.
2. A sudden burst, as of rain or smoke.
3. An outburst of emotion.
intr.v. gust•ed, gust•ing, gusts
To blow in gusts.

Yes, I’m a kiwi. Otherwise known as a citizen from that other country next to the land down-under, called New Zealand. No roos, wombats, dingos or crocs here. Just cheeky parrots and cute flightless birds. We had moa but apparently they were just as tasty as dodos. Though there’s recently been a lot of orcas around here – more than normal for this time of the year. Mind you I was born in Africa so I have a little wild in me too so seeing some decent wildlife is rather refreshing. We also don’t tend to slaughter vowels as much as some ex-prisoner colonies.

Thanks for the username dissertation. It makes a lot of sense. I think mine is pretty obvious, I do farm with old iron.

I want to visit New Zealand sometime. My dad stayed in Christchurch while he was working on the ice in Antarctica. I daydreamed of posting an ad in a paper indicating I would pay my transportation and work for room and board on a farm or ranch if a NZ family would take me in for several months. Seemed like it would make a great vacation, but my wife's health now prevents that.

Looks like bigger is better to me
Nice addition and in short time, Good job Andy

I read the piece about your confusing relitives 3 times and still don't get it but got a good laugh thanks

Don

I trust your judgment that bigger is better, you are the expert

I think it's easier to sort out the relatives if you know them. It may be easier to like them if you don't know them

 

[oldironfarmer]

I think I would have to draw a R-UM kind of tree or not tree or something to figure that out

What is an R-UM tree? I'm glad others have a little trouble with my family. I have lot's of trouble with them.

He does live kind of close to Arkansas. Its ok to marry your cousins, (wink, wink). Sometimes the family tree is a tall trunk

HEY!! If she's not good enough for her own kin, she's not good enough for us, take her back home. (said by the mother when the son said his date was from the next town, in Arkansas)

Tall trunk is often better than a very large flat bush... think about it!

Then again with the increase of single parents, short term inflagrante relationships and 'donored' children it will be pretty darn impossible to keep track of who's who and not unlikely to mistake genetic sibling recognition for a romantic attraction in this new society.

Least in Oklahoma they still know who's who and avoid grafting to close to the rootstock.

We prefer to think of our family tree as more twisted than tall.

Have you been to OK. lately??

Why, yes, I was there just today

Wait, now I'm confused. I thought you said "have you been to Oklahoma lately", but maybe you meant "have you been too OK lately", in that case, no, I'm not OK.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Sorry... GJ doesn't really have an appropriate tongue-firmly-planted-in-cheek smilie. The laughing one at the end of my comment was the best I could do - you work with what you have sometimes.

Actually I sit next to an ex-pat Patriot here at work and he gives me all the context I need to know exactly what we're dealing with here!

Though I have to say other than the family ties it doesn't sound much like the hardworking, pragmatic and sensible Andy I see - you have to work with what you have sometimes, I guess.

You've heard "you can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, you can't pick your friend's nose", and you can't pick your family either.

If you go back and study the family relationships, you see that my SIL, his son, and his daughter are unrelated to the rest of use except by marriage.

Thanks for the "hardworking, pragmatic and sensible Andy" comment.

I like that, hardworking, pragmatic and sensible Andy, I may have to put hardworking, pragmatic and sensible Andy on my signature line.

Sounds good doesn't it "hardworking, pragmatic and sensible Andy"

Remember I'm most proud of my humility.

Andy, the work speaks for it's self. Looking good all the way. How is the stray pup doing? Is he cared for and given a name? He needs a home!

Thanks for the kind words!

andy, looking good. as you live out in the country, as i used to, i understand about people "losing" their dogs out there.

jim

Speck is his name and he gets to stay. He tries to protect the great grandchildren so he has a place here. But I can't be nice to him or he'll stay over here. Shorty started out over there and gravitated over here. He seems to like stupid jokes

Dang, maybe there's more to his "forefather and three mothers" story than I caught the first time around! Brings a whole new meaning to the term "family tree" yours includes the whole root system also! I've followed your complete build Andy and admire your skills and determination.Very motivating.

Oh, no, you've got it backwards, families may have only two great grandparents.

Thanks for the kind comments, I've got more screwups coming!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Sometimes you got to worry about dumbasses dumping their animals out here in the country

In forty years I have never bought a dog and have had many fine dogs, all strays.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I'm back!

Had a great trip to Houston with my only son!

Went to some job sites I had helped develop, drove the coastal road from Freeport to Galveston, and got to see the NASA Space Center.

Shuttle on one of two 747's used to shuttle shuttles during the shuttle shuttle operation. (shuttles which landed in California [with good weather] were carried on top of a modified 747, great to see the modifications up close)

And the Saturn V rocket for Apollo XVII. Apollo XVI was the last launch, the next was built but stopped on budget constraints.

If you have a chance to go, the NASA facility does tours nicely and has a great museum and lots of film clips. International crowd there.

Also got a good report from the hospital so we came back Friday night, arriving in Oklahoma City at 12:30 AM Saturday. I stayed over and took the 1-1/2 hour drive home Saturday morning early.

Got the south doors trimmed out by noon, SIL was busy so I'm working alone.

Took the wife to town for lunch and grocery shopping, and got back to work about 4:00.

Finished up all the metal

But I was tired. Did have a little help from a neighbor Thanks Robert!

By the way, metal is basically all installed
Just small pieces to go.

Part of my drive to Houston I shopped for garage doors. Realized I cut the 12 ft door too high. The room can only have a 12 ft ceiling maximum so I need to revise that door to 10-1/2 ft or so in height so the door has freeboard to open. Sophomoric mistake but I'll recover. It will cost me a new header and some outside tin, but I'll recover! Did I say I'll recover?

I have the same problem with the 16 foot door, but I was planning on a roll up door for that opening. After pricing, I'm not sure I want a rollup door.

I have to go back to the metal fabricator for the vent material anyway so adding a little filler will be a snap.

 

[BUGTHUG]

I'm back!

For some reason that picture makes the outside wall like its leaning to the right, maybe it an illusion?

 

[Terrick down Under]

A, why don't you just build an awning that makes up the height difference, and will look like it was planned from the start.

 

[oldironfarmer]

For some reason that picture makes the outside wall like its leaning to the right, maybe it an illusion?

It's just that I was too tired to level the camera. Here's the same picture rotated to get it close to level.

A little distortion.

 

[oldironfarmer]

A, why don't you just build an awning that makes up the height difference, and will look like it was planned from the start.

That's a good idea!

I'll have to look at that. It still needs a lower header to handle the spring loads, but with a little more material it would be nice to have a little sun shade and keep rain off the door.

 

[Perrorojo]

It's the sunlight on the cement. it runs deeper into the shop on the right side and makes it look like the concrete slopes.

 

[oldironfarmer]

No work today, here is a picture of one of the windows with the cripples cut out.

The header and the sill should have been three inches wider. The double top plate will carry the load of the joists and rafters, but I plan to box the windows with oak anyway (I have lots of it) and a 1x6 red oak trim will give about the strength of a 2x6 fir.

Started packing hay home today. Thought not everybody would know how we move round bales, although it's very common around here. Hydraulic bale spike in the back of the pickup (sits on the bed at back and coupled to a gooseneck ball in the middle of the bed)

Get the spikes level and line the truck up with the bale then ram it (kind of fun to hit it hard, and you have to to get the spikes to go in a tight bale)

Then raise it with a button and head for the house. Bale totally blocks tail lights so you have to watch out for the other guy.

Also stopped and talked to a lady who does spray on insulation with her sons on weekends. Her deceased husband's business. Think I'm going to have them insulate the addition. They use fireproofed cellulose (ground paper).

 

[oldironfarmer]

It's the sunlight on the cement. it runs deeper into the shop on the right side and makes it look like the concrete slopes.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I assure you the jambs are plumb.

 

[dlcwent]

Glad you're back in OK. It sounds like you had a good trip. As always, I enjoy reading your posts that are filled with humor and wit. Keep 'em coming Andy. Why the change of heart about the roll up? I don't believe it's just the money. (even though that's what you said). Having rails (tracks) get in the way at times, or are you thinking barn door type entrance?

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, A trip like yours is certainly on the bucket list, glad you have enjoyed the break..

Now your hay bale loader is unreal, I have never seen it done like that before, thanks for sharing..

Regards

 

[Rex_A_Lott]

I finally got caught up to date on your thread. I wished we lived a little closer, you could teach me not to be lazy, and I could help you with the Vicky when it needs it. Looking good on the progress.

 

[Terrick down Under]

I wish I just had a bucket list. My is a 44 gallon drum list. Yeah I know, I want to do a lot.

 

[egnorant]

I wish I just had a bucket list. My is a 44 gallon drum list. Yeah I know, I want to do a lot.

Bucket...I know it was here the other day!

Bruce

 

[oldironfarmer]

Glad you're back in OK. It sounds like you had a good trip. As always, I enjoy reading your posts that are filled with humor and wit. Keep 'em coming Andy. Why the change of heart about the roll up? I don't believe it's just the money. (even though that's what you said). Having rails (tracks) get in the way at times, or are you thinking barn door type entrance?

Thanks for the comments! Sometimes I just don't feel very humorous, more humus. I think I've swung back to a roll up door. My first wife always thought I was good at not doing what I said I would After more thought, and high local prices, looks like I'm going to buy an internet special roll up door. I really do want one with a chain fall operator. I've had difficult-to-operate barn doors for 30 years or so and am really tired of working them. They are also not very secure and have three inch gaps for all sizes of rodentia.

Andy, A trip like yours is certainly on the bucket list, glad you have enjoyed the break..

My son and I had the best time ever. His mom and I divorced when he was ten, and I missed a lot of valuable years with him. Unfortunately he is just like me. We went into a Saltgrass Steakhouse (nice chain) and he told the lady we were with a group of sixteen. She directed us to a family gathering nearby. Then we had to tell her we were just trying it out, maybe we could have told them we were from Uncle Harold's side of the family and had a free meal.

Now your hay bale loader is unreal, I have never seen it done like that before, thanks for sharing..

Regards

Bale spears are very common around here, here's a shot inside the bed:

I finally got caught up to date on your thread. I wished we lived a little closer, you could teach me not to be lazy, and I could help you with the Vicky when it needs it. Looking good on the progress.

I guess we came right by you when we drug Miss Vicky to Ashville. But I'm so lazy you wouldn't want to learn from me. I try my best to not be lazy, but it's just me.

I wish I just had a bucket list. My is a 44 gallon drum list. Yeah I know, I want to do a lot.

We're so much better than you guys, we have 55 gallon drums

Bucket...I know it was here the other day!

Bruce

I don't like the idea of a bucket list. I can't keep a to do list going, so I do everything from memory, and I have a terrible memory. So I just, I just, what was the subject, again?

Thanks for stopping by guys, it keeps me honest.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Went to town and got a small load of lumber this morning. Needed to put up the wall against the existing shop so I can insulate the new shop and have a place to set the joists.

Son in Law came and worked all afternoon and we got the wall up. It was slow, lots of fitting and I had many trips up and down the ladder to put nail pads on the existing tin and then to nail the new wall up.

Put the wall on the curb. Takes up space but gives me a flat wall. And preserves the old tin inside the big shop room for spark control.

The pile of lumber is dwindling. Top plate and ceiling joists should go up tomorrow. Then we will put up the second header in the 12x12 door opening. It's going to be a 12 wide 11 high opening.

Almost done with framing! Still have some nailers to put on, build a door for the 8 ft attic space, and build a well over the 7 ft high door to provide a little clearance over the door. Also need to build a walkthrough opening for the paint booth. Still working on exhaust options for the paint booth. Now I'm leaning toward using a squirrel cage with the motor outside the hazardous vapor space.

The ball is rolling

 

[don long]

Hey Andy
Look up paint filter banks. They come in all sizes. I used them in one of my Body shops. Not to pricey and very easy to install and they work very well

Still watching your build with great interest

Don

 

[BBChevro]

Hey Andy, I just caught up on your thread - sooooo envious of your visit to NASA (if I ever get to go over there, that would definitely be on the "places to see" list).

You're making great progress with the build.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, kicking gaols..

You don't see Bale spears like that here..

Now there's thought, I could market them out here...

 

[slimpickins]

Uh oh! I don't mean to be picking nits, but it looks like a few of those screws are out of alignment... tsk tsk tsk! Need more OCD!

Just kidding Andy! It's looking great!!!!

... Get the spikes level and line the truck up with the bale then ram it (kind of fun to hit it hard, and you have to to get the spikes to go in a tight bale)

Ahhh, you're talking about the truck. My mind was wandering there .... that strategy works in many situations!!!

Cheers!

 

[madoc1]

andy, that dual hay spike is nice. i have yet to see one around here. where did you find it?

jim

 

[bgarrett]

By the time I finished the 1st page, I was thinking how much I hate to see a grown man cry. Specially when its me. 1st page pictures 9 and 10 show Model T Ford rear axles, one with a wire wheel. I saw Model A wheels and later Ford steel wheels. This stuff is desirable, even more since brainless scrappers have been stripping America to buy meth.
You might enjoy taking the pre-war car parts to the Chickasha swapmeet

 

[oldironfarmer]

Hey Andy
Look up paint filter banks. They come in all sizes. I used them in one of my Body shops. Not to pricey and very easy to install and they work very well

Still watching your build with great interest

Don

Thanks for the visit, and comment! Yes, I plan to filter air coming in and air going out, before the fan. Still concerned about the possibility of fire in the event of a motor burnup.

Hey Andy, I just caught up on your thread - sooooo envious of your visit to NASA (if I ever get to go over there, that would definitely be on the "places to see" list).

You're making great progress with the build.

Thanks for stopping in! I was surprised that NASA had such a nice visitor facility - they were handling several hundred people the day we were there. Very nice displays. And I was surprised that the mission control room has been preserved as it was for Apollo missions and is a National Historic Place.

Progress is slow but intermittent

Andy, kicking gaols..

You don't see Bale spears like that here..

Now there's thought, I could market them out here...

Grand idea! I'll be your supplier

 

[wasfast]

You need to use an explosion proof rated motor. They prevent spark from igniting paint fumes/solvent. It should also have a plastic fan blades, not metal.

Here's a standalone example from Jenny Fan. I had one just like it 15 years ago. 4375cfm (!), Baldor motor, powdercoated frame and US made.

http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/16-explosion-proof-fan-p-12575.aspx

Not saying it's what you need specifically but an example.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Uh oh! I don't mean to be picking nits, but it looks like a few of those screws are out of alignment... tsk tsk tsk! Need more OCD!

Just kidding Andy! It's looking great!!!!


Ahhh, you're talking about the truck. My mind was wandering there .... that strategy works in many situations!!!

Cheers!

Although I have clocked screws and bolt heads naturally, I am production oriented. SIL wanted to chalk line the screw lines and I pushed him out of the way. I'm happy so long as the screws go into wood

I know what you mean about ramming it in works in many situations. I was thinking about ramming dirt into a post hole as well. We must think alike, I like ramming things in too

andy, that dual hay spike is nice. i have yet to see one around here. where did you find it?

jim

Atwoods, probably Tractor Supply. About $600US.

By the time I finished the 1st page, I was thinking how much I hate to see a grown man cry. Specially when its me. 1st page pictures 9 and 10 show Model T Ford rear axles, one with a wire wheel. I saw Model A wheels and later Ford steel wheels. This stuff is desirable, even more since brainless scrappers have been stripping America to buy meth.
You might enjoy taking the pre-war car parts to the Chickasha swapmeet

We think alike too! I was thinking of scrapping them to buy meth too You should come by for a visit, I could load you up. Or down? I get so confused

 

[oldironfarmer]

By the time I finished the 1st page, I was thinking how much I hate to see a grown man cry. Specially when its me. 1st page pictures 9 and 10 show Model T Ford rear axles, one with a wire wheel. I saw Model A wheels and later Ford steel wheels. This stuff is desirable, even more since brainless scrappers have been stripping America to buy meth.
You might enjoy taking the pre-war car parts to the Chickasha swapmeet

Love your car

 

[oldironfarmer]

You need to use an explosion proof rated motor. They prevent spark from igniting paint fumes/solvent. It should also have a plastic fan blades, not metal.

Here's a standalone example from Jenny Fan. I had one just like it 15 years ago. 4375cfm (!), Baldor motor, powdercoated frame and US made.

http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/16-explosion-proof-fan-p-12575.aspx

Not saying it's what you need specifically but an example.

Thanks! That's the best deal I've seen so far. I'm thinking about extending the shaft on a fan and running it through a wall so I get it into a non-classified area. On the suction side I don't even need much of a seal.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Had a pretty good day today!

Started out cleaning up and burning a trash pile, hope I didn't burn something I'll need!

I went wild and burned some form stakes that had only seen a couple or three jobs

SIL came over early and we got the new header up on the now 12w by 11h door.

Then we got busy and put up all the ceiling joists in the 12 ft room. Used a portable work platform (26 ft gooseneck).

Insulation contractor came by, nice folks, and they want to do the job this Saturday!! They also have a Massey Ferguson with a bad hydraulic system. Said they wanted to barter for tractor repair Should I fix tractors for insulation



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