I was just about to ask who won that because I wanna see that old boy fixed up back to his prime.
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The VISES of Garage Journal
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zoomieport
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Thanks GET!
Shoot, I'm still sore from doing the first set of shelves Sunday, I'm an OLD MAN!!!
What happened to my youth???
LOL
!Take Care!
ZOOM
va.grouseman
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Really Really nice Zoom.---Can't pull the picture in but so close, so can't read the logos.---But looks like I see 3 Sawyer Rotating Head, 3 Parker Rotating Head, 3 Craftsman Rotating Head with the Hexagon Slide, 2 Reed Swivel Jaws.---And is that a Barrett I see on top right?
bagged89s10
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Well... I did some more work tonight, as I said earlier. I still have a bunch more, but not the volume that some may think. I am kind of like the guys were talking about earlier, I have sold, given away and walked by more vises than I can count, but my family and friends are all outfitted with the finest AMERICAN IRON they could hope for! I now really just get unique and rare stuff...
Enjoy!
Take Care!
ZOOM
Thanks zoom. I most likely just need jaw inserts. I'm hoping the base I have in my parts pile fits.
Did you just reorganize your collection? Very impressive!
FMC1959
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Nice!
The vise I am currently looking at weighed in at 296, so the only matching catalog entry is for an 808. Problem is I can't confirm if there is a model no. on the vise, so the question is, is there an earlier model at that weight or is it just unmarked.
Thrumcap
Thrum, no sure if this helps but Parker made many different vise models over the years. Some short lived like the Victor, Parallel, and Semi-Steel models. The 2 longest lasting as well as most popular we're the Eclipse line, and the Superior line.
The 1st Gen Eclipse were 100 & 200 series, 200's being svivel base. These were replaced by 2nd Gen which are the popular 950 (stationary) and 970 (swivel base) series.
All Parker were robust, not light duty vises, but just the same, Parker referred to the Superior line as their heavy duty line. The 2nd Gen were the 800 series (stationary like your 808), and 820 series were the swivelers.
The first Gen Superiors were oddly named, they were 29x, 39x, 49x...etc for the stationary, and 229x, 239x and so on for the swivelrs. So the 60x Meats is referred to would have been the first Gen of your 808, and probably was in the same range.
Good luck on the hunt, an 808 would be a killer addition to any collection
zoomieport
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It's a Cardinal "Speed Vise"..
The rest you are right on!
Thanks VA!
Take care!
ZOOM
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DFB
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Well... I did some more work tonight, as I said earlier. I still have a bunch more, but not the volume that some may think. I am kind of like the guys were talking about earlier, I have sold, given away and walked by more vises than I can count, but my family and friends are all outfitted with the finest AMERICAN IRON they could hope for! I now really just get unique and rare stuff...
Enjoy!
Take Care!
ZOOM
Now THAT'S a rock solid collection!
Any Reed 403 parts?
drivesitfar
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Zoomie: while you are resting and getting ready to build another addition for shelving to house the rest of your collection i'll have to spend a few days looking over your pictures that of course i saved to my laptop. this term might be over used, but it's deserved so VERY WELL DONE SIR!!
While GET is thinking about his top 5 vises any chance you have a FAVORITE among all those or a top 5 to mention? i see more than a few KEEPERS in that amazing collection.
Mark: thanks for starting the thread on the VISIES and we might have to make another catagory of BEST VISE FAMILY PHOTO with all these awesome pictures lately. thanks again and hope all the members post up their favorites.
ALL: for some of you that like to work on wood or want to improve your wood butchering skills Jim Reed is going to start a WOODWORKING 101 thread here on GJ so we don't have to go to other sites to maybe learn and share our wisdom. THANKS JIM!!
Speaking of moving a lot of STUFF, i actually had to remove about a ton of tools out of my huge flat file cabinets so i could move it 2.5 inches and get this nice woodworking bench with the wood vise on it. i'm hoping to keep it clean and it will be the start of curing my FSD (FLAT SURFACE DISEASE).
While GET is thinking about his top 5 vises any chance you have a FAVORITE among all those or a top 5 to mention? i see more than a few KEEPERS in that amazing collection.
Mark: thanks for starting the thread on the VISIES and we might have to make another catagory of BEST VISE FAMILY PHOTO with all these awesome pictures lately. thanks again and hope all the members post up their favorites.
ALL: for some of you that like to work on wood or want to improve your wood butchering skills Jim Reed is going to start a WOODWORKING 101 thread here on GJ so we don't have to go to other sites to maybe learn and share our wisdom. THANKS JIM!!
Speaking of moving a lot of STUFF, i actually had to remove about a ton of tools out of my huge flat file cabinets so i could move it 2.5 inches and get this nice woodworking bench with the wood vise on it. i'm hoping to keep it clean and it will be the start of curing my FSD (FLAT SURFACE DISEASE).
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Mark in Indiana
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Zoom,
I can't imagine having flipped as many vises that you own. Well done!
I can't imagine having flipped as many vises that you own. Well done!
zoomieport
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I don't believe so...
There are three on eBay right now, if you want to check them out.
Kind of pricey...
Here is the similar Cardinal "Speed Set".
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rar...458932?hash=item3d29830af4:g:K8IAAOSw9IpXy0x1
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ant...905101?hash=item25c64fbf8d:g:VG8AAOSwNSxVOssn
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAG...157132?hash=item1e966408cc:g:5cMAAOxyyq5TOMfr
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va.grouseman
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Zoom, I went back a few hundred pages and found the Barrett.---It slants to the front, where yours slants to the rear.---But I did remember that there was a slant in there somewhere.---Here are two links to the Barrett that Demo posted on page 312 beside yours for comparison.---Evidently the Cardinal is as rare as the Barrett.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=214998&d=1350524914
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=596519&d=1478710568
And here's a Dodge.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=214998&d=1350524914
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=596519&d=1478710568
And here's a Dodge.
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FMC1959
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The dodge vise has come up a couple of times over the years; IIRC, someone had found links to it being OEM,d by the Milwaukee tool group (not the same as the cordless tools) which makes the well known Morgan vise and lesser known vises like the Star vise and a couple of others (Magnum?)
EDIT; this is the company's current website http://www.milwtool.com/v_mach.htm
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zoomieport
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I like that Barrett, that's sharp!
Nice find VA, you should give us a tutorial on how to search this site, I am horrible at it...?
trijeff
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Here's a tip, Zoom ... just search in Google then select from the GJ results. Not elegant but is easy.
MissileBear
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Finished up the Hollands 26. As the 3 layers of paint began to come off, it became apparent that the vise was not nearly as clean as I had originally thought. Nothing is cracked and the vise is functionally sound but it has been used *very* hard. I abandoned any intentions of refinishing the metal and repainting. Instead she got a good rubdown with some BLO and will continue to see use mounted to my basement bench.
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CrotalusAtrox
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Looks good as is but if you wanted to make it pretty just a little file work and some sanding can do wonders.
zoomieport
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drivesitfar
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MB: great looking Holland's vise. their numbering system usually has the teens as a non-swivel and the twenty's as a swiveler and yours is a 26 as a non swiveler. 
also usually the second # is the jaw width and yours doesn't look 6 inches wide so do tell is it? any idea how much it weighs? also you got my vote with the BLO. WELL DONE!!
TJ: you know that is how i found GJ in the first place so many years ago. i would google up something regarding tools and almost always i would see this site and i think it's gotten better.
VA: you don't have to tell us your secret and some of us still couldn't do it as well as you so just don't die on us. thanks again for your support and skills.
Zoomie: so while you are recovering do you have maybe enough energy to give us your favorite or top 5 or 10 of those vises you own? or are anvils more to your liking and feel free to post up more pics of them on your next post if you want to i'm sure we won't mind and maybe put a baby bullet or two or three in the anvil pics.
also usually the second # is the jaw width and yours doesn't look 6 inches wide so do tell is it? any idea how much it weighs? also you got my vote with the BLO. WELL DONE!!
TJ: you know that is how i found GJ in the first place so many years ago. i would google up something regarding tools and almost always i would see this site and i think it's gotten better.
VA: you don't have to tell us your secret and some of us still couldn't do it as well as you so just don't die on us. thanks again for your support and skills.
Zoomie: so while you are recovering do you have maybe enough energy to give us your favorite or top 5 or 10 of those vises you own? or are anvils more to your liking and feel free to post up more pics of them on your next post if you want to i'm sure we won't mind and maybe put a baby bullet or two or three in the anvil pics.
MissileBear
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It's a bit beyond that. A previous owner was a welder; there are many weld holes and splatters on and around the jaws. The back slide was used as a anvil, and there are dings/hammer marks/and chips in nearly all exposed surfaces. I would have to remove substantial metal and repaint with several coats to try to cover up the bad. I plan on using this as a working vise, so the bare metal is fine by me.
MB: great looking Holland's vise. their numbering system usually has the teens as a non-swivel and the twenty's as a swiveler and yours is a 26 as a non swiveler.
also usually the second # is the jaw width and yours doesn't look 6 inches wide so do tell is it? any idea how much it weighs? also you got my vote with the BLO. WELL DONE!!
Another member pointed that out as well. This has 4" jaws, opens to roughly 10", and weighs in at 39.87 pounds, not the 6" 160 lb, swiveling vise that the number scheme would suggest. The lettering, front knob, and jaw style dates this is from 1914-1920(ish).
Interestingly, there is a slightly raised cast rectangular area around the "26". The 6 is not cleanly cast like the other lettering; there is no doubt that it is 26. The font and base are also slightly different than other models I have seen...as Hollands are not as common as Reed/Prentiss/Charles Parker/etc its hard to find many pictures of the same or similar model.
I was talking to an old timer a while back and he suggested that this may have been a transitional model. In 1924 the style changed a bit and the numbering scheme was standardized.
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I know where a pretty clean Cardinal is....but I've struggled to put a price on what I think it's worth. Sadly, it's missing the swivel base...
drivesitfar
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MB: here's a picture of a 5 inch HOLLAND'S 15 i sold to a member who made a very nice bench for it so you'll have at least have one example.
GMan: does your Cardinal have a 3rd mounting hole under the slide cause hard to tell if it does or doesn't. if it has a 3rd hole it doesn't need a swivel base and maybe it's built more like the Record, Paramo and other vises where the swivel base wasn't something always wanted or sold with their vises.
GMan: does your Cardinal have a 3rd mounting hole under the slide cause hard to tell if it does or doesn't. if it has a 3rd hole it doesn't need a swivel base and maybe it's built more like the Record, Paramo and other vises where the swivel base wasn't something always wanted or sold with their vises.
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Blackwolfe
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Correction!I'm tired today and for some reason I posted Colombian when I should have typed Morgan. I have since typed in Morgan and corrected my post. Just an old guy that had a momentary brain fart.
Some more questions for the Morgan aficionados. The jaws on some of the Morgan have a different type of screw head on them. I think it is called a clutch head. I think there are two types of clutch head screws.
1. Does any one know what type were used Morgan jaws?
2. Does anyone know what size the head is, and the thread size?
3. Where can you get a clutch head screw driver or bit that will fit?
Thank you folks.
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Some more questions for the Morgan aficionados. The jaws on some of the Morgan have a different type of screw head on them. I think it is called a clutch head. I think there are two types of clutch head screws.
1. Does any one know what type were used Morgan jaws?
2. Does anyone know what size the head is, and the thread size?
3. Where can you get a clutch head screw driver or bit that will fit?
Thank you folks.
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Drives,
I haven't bought the Cardinal, but it does have a third mounting hole, so it could have been sold with or without the swivel base. I don't mind fixed base vises at all, but it would be nice if it had the swivel base if only as an option.
va.grouseman
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FMC, speaking of the Morgan Star, I picked up a real nice Morgan Star Aurora, 4 1/2'', that lacked the swivel base but has the threaded hole in the center for accepting a swivel base.---I've learned through this forum that there are several company's that will sell you a stationary that is swivel base compatible if one wants to upgrade.---Morgan and Yost being two of them.---So I emailed the very sight you posted a link to, and they quoted me $250.00 for the base and lock-down kit, which is considerably more than I paid for the vise.---But I really would like to see the Morgan complete so what choice do I have?
G-Man, I have a feeling your Cardinal is the same way, (threaded hole in the center of the bottom). But a base might be a little harder to find for that one.---At any rate, that is a beauty and you should cotton onto it, just like it is, if you can.
zoomieport
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Oh boy... Every time I think about all the $replacement parts$ I need, I get nauseous.
If it can be completed, I must complete it!
zoomieport
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Fireworks, Dayid's list has the 205 at 25 lbs. and 4.5'' jaw width.---Having never seen one, I can't say that is wrong but the #206 is a 5'' jaw weighing 104 lbs.---That's a pretty good jump just for 1'' of jaw.
http://scuttle.dayid.org/wiki/index.php/Charles_Parker_Vise
Just now catching up - that's a typo on my end. The 205 is 75lbs not 25lbs.
zoomieport
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Wow! Look who's here!
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Shiftless
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dayid:
Thanks for posting again. Many of us have used your reference work multiple times. We all appreciate your efforts and look forward to whatever additional work you can get around to.
Thanks for posting again. Many of us have used your reference work multiple times. We all appreciate your efforts and look forward to whatever additional work you can get around to.
econotrk
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Another thanks for a great resource Dayid, I use it quite often.
va.grouseman
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Rusty, I think Zoom is right from what I can gather from the chart.---145S I think.
Good to hear from you Dayid.---Thanks for all the data that I've been able to refer to and use.
Good to hear from you Dayid.---Thanks for all the data that I've been able to refer to and use.
oldldh
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Remember...
Dayid...
YA DUN REAL GUD, BUBBA!!!!!!!!!
We really appreciate your efforts and time expenditure...
Dayid...
YA DUN REAL GUD, BUBBA!!!!!!!!!
We really appreciate your efforts and time expenditure...
bulletpruf
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BW -
Morgan is still in business and they sell replacement parts, too. Find them with a Google search and then call or e mail. They're pretty responsive.
Scott
drivesitfar
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LUMAX: nope not a thing
Dayid: thanks again for making the vise wiki cause i just tell my bride it's all your fault for showing me so many vise choices.
if you would like to add vise companies and vise model #'s and specs to your list and if you want more pictures just ask on this thread or PM almost any of us.
Dayid: thanks again for making the vise wiki cause i just tell my bride it's all your fault for showing me so many vise choices.
if you would like to add vise companies and vise model #'s and specs to your list and if you want more pictures just ask on this thread or PM almost any of us.
Shiftless
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Lumax
Good to hear from you too!
Good to hear from you too!
